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Voted! Did you vote early? Gonna vote on the 6th? Awesome!

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:59 PM

Great. Four more years of other people living off my hard earned money. Hope you enjoy it people. :thumbdown:
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:09 PM

Remember folks - not a debate thread!
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:17 PM

View PostValkyrie, on 06 November 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Remember folks - not a debate thread!


Yeah, there's no need for debate. Come out here to Colorado and blaze up and celebrate.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:29 PM

Romney hasn't conceded yet.
But I am confident Obama has won

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:32 PM

What im surprised about is this wasnt as close as predicted...obama kinda curbstomped Romney ,o.o so glad i voted
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:38 PM

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:38 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 06 November 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

What im surprised about is this wasnt as close as predicted...obama kinda curbstomped Romney ,o.o so glad i voted


As of now, Obama only carried Ohio, Virginia, and possibly Florida by only 1%--which means there should be a nice thank-you basket going to Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. He leads the popular vote only by 30,000 votes.

Obama still wins, of course--even if Romney should recapture the popular vote, Al Gore can talk about how much that gets you. But to say this was a curb-stomp is not true. It was close; the real surprise was Florida.

Okay, no more debating--at least until someone starts a new thread. The fact is, Obama won.

I just hope everyone can still recognize at the end of the day that we're all Americans and we all have to live with each other.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:24 AM

Stayed up all night watching coverage by the BBC, who were staying up even later. I like how they gradually got loopier and loopier, and finally just started saying whatever popped into their heads (and all in a wonderfully soothing British accent, no less!)

"The Democrats are symbolically represented by a donkey, because donkeys are... humble, and... kind? We just put this graphic up because it's late and we can. I want breakfast."

EDIT: And oh my god, Lester Holt and Brian Williams just got into a discussion about which foods are best to eat when one has the munchies. TV newscasters need to be severely sleep-deprived more often. XD

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:40 AM

View PostValkyrie, on 06 November 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Remember folks - not a debate thread!

Right, because we can't have that can we? Gotta pretend we all agree don't we? :rolleyes:
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:27 AM

View PostDark Stranger, on 07 November 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

Right, because we can't have that can we? Gotta pretend we all agree don't we? :rolleyes:


No, Valkyrie's right. This wasn't started as a debate thread. In any case, there's no point now. Those of us who supported Romney laid out why weeks ago, those who supported Obama laid out their reasons. Today that matter was settled. I don't agree with that decision, I think it's tragically wrong, but there it is. Like Malcolm Reynolds said, we're all just folk now.

Another site I belong to has a specific area set aside for political debates. I wonder if we could do that here? The other site I refer to is a gaming site, and it stays pretty civil (mostly). In the locked thread, I was really enjoying the debate--not argument, debate--with Fujoshi and Xeno.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:36 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 07 November 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

No, Valkyrie's right. This wasn't started as a debate thread. In any case, there's no point now. Those of us who supported Romney laid out why weeks ago, those who supported Obama laid out their reasons. Today that matter was settled. I don't agree with that decision, I think it's tragically wrong, but there it is. Like Malcolm Reynolds said, we're all just folk now.

Another site I belong to has a specific area set aside for political debates. I wonder if we could do that here? The other site I refer to is a gaming site, and it stays pretty civil (mostly). In the locked thread, I was really enjoying the debate--not argument, debate--with Fujoshi and Xeno.

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It could work but there needs to be a moderator who carefully watches over the discussions but not privy to quick overreaction before a matter can be peacefully settled without resorting to locking as a first reaction.

I love healthy debates because not only, for me, is it a way to make a stance and inform others but also as a way to learn what other viewpoints offer that I may have not considered or thought of before.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:20 PM

Finally got in about 6:30pm. Looks like we had a lot of first-time voters, many Hispanic, as we waited and waited in line as the judges kept explaining how to mark the ballots (and doing so in/speaking in Spanish). Had a pretty good turnout. I still haven't checked the results on the more important for me local offices.

And has been said before... thank goodness no more of those awful TV/Radio ads and no more filling up my answering machine/voice mail with robo-calls. At least for a while.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:34 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 07 November 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

No, Valkyrie's right. This wasn't started as a debate thread. In any case, there's no point now. Those of us who supported Romney laid out why weeks ago, those who supported Obama laid out their reasons. Today that matter was settled. I don't agree with that decision, I think it's tragically wrong, but there it is. Like Malcolm Reynolds said, we're all just folk now.

Another site I belong to has a specific area set aside for political debates. I wonder if we could do that here? The other site I refer to is a gaming site, and it stays pretty civil (mostly). In the locked thread, I was really enjoying the debate--not argument, debate--with Fujoshi and Xeno.

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I'm up for it. As long as people don't get all personal and butthurt about it. Mine was cool....until that happened.

Voted yesterday btw. I WANTED TO PUT YOUR NAME IN THE LAST OPINION.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:33 AM

View Postobakasan, on 07 November 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Finally got in about 6:30pm. Looks like we had a lot of first-time voters, many Hispanic, as we waited and waited in line as the judges kept explaining how to mark the ballots (and doing so in/speaking in Spanish).

and...Nobody asked why they were doing that?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 08 November 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

and...Nobody asked why they were doing that?


I don't see why anyone would?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:50 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 08 November 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

and...Nobody asked why they were doing that?



Just basic instructions on how to use the system. Reminding voters that we use a two-sided ballot (so they don't miss the items on the flip side), etc. Not which boxes to mark or whatever. Each County here can use a different type of system as well so if you were say familiar with the way it was done where you used to live but not with a different system you'd need to be shown how it works. Where we are you have to make sure to fill in the checkbox completely with a (provided) marker for example, not just make an "X" in the space or use a pencil. (Remember how Florida used the now infamous punch cards last Presidential election that had them inspecting nearly every ballot and dealing with the "hanging chads." We had a similar system years ago and judges had to make sure everyone checked for non-fully-punched holes before turning in their ballots.)
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

For icing on the cake:

http://www.huffingto..._n_2094513.html

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

View PostKyuu, on 08 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

For icing on the cake:

http://www.huffingto..._n_2094513.html

Florida votes Obama. Took them long enough. What is up with Florida unable to count?


And the biggest kick is due to the current system those 29 votes don't make a diff. There was a clear winner even without them.

Most of my relatives now live in Florida... 'nuff said.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

View PostEvil_Nerd, on 08 November 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

I don't see why anyone would?

Its because you need to know basic english to ya know do ANYTHING in america. Vote, get a ID, Get a job, etc. Its pretty mandatory.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:55 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 08 November 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Its because you need to know basic english to ya know do ANYTHING in america. Vote, get a ID, Get a job, etc. Its pretty mandatory.


So explain why do some manuals/information/etc. is in not only Spanish, but French and Chinese/Japanese as well.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:31 PM

Without meaning to sound nativist, I think people should learn English if they live in the US.

If I want to live in Japan, I learn Japanese. If I want to live in Mexico, I learn Spanish. If I demanded people speak English to me in those countries, they would probably laugh their butts off--and be right to.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:42 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 08 November 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Its because you need to know basic english to ya know do ANYTHING in america. Vote, get a ID, Get a job, etc. Its pretty mandatory.


But if they are voting then they are citizens, and while english is the common language spoken in America, perhaps they know english and feel comfortable speaking in their mother tongue?
When I was an election judge we had a spanish translator at the polling place, out of courtesy. We even had a hotline that we could call, so they could translate for us as well. Not because they spoke spanish, but because a lot of the older generations knew english, but could fully comprehend in spanish. Especially since some of the instructions are confusing on ballots (this was back in 2008 in the primaries when they rolled out those Democrat, Republican ballots.)

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Without meaning to sound nativist, I think people should learn English if they live in the US.

If I want to live in Japan, I learn Japanese. If I want to live in Mexico, I learn Spanish. If I demanded people speak English to me in those countries, they would probably laugh their butts off--and be right to.

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That's a fine mentality to have, to speak the native language, but fluency takes time and while if you work really hard you can gain comprehension and fluency, it doesn't happen very often. If you're a newcomer it might be some time before you can grasp the language, more so for older generations.

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On the flipside, there was a girl I worked with who came to America when she was in her late teens, and she didn't know english. In three years or so, she was able to speak perfectly no accent or anything. I've always thought about how interesting it is, the way we learn languages.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:42 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 08 November 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Without meaning to sound nativist, I think people should learn English if they live in the US.

If I want to live in Japan, I learn Japanese. If I want to live in Mexico, I learn Spanish. If I demanded people speak English to me in those countries, they would probably laugh their butts off--and be right to.

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Those are understandable Sent but here due to the fact that most of the country is a mixed minority it's different. Also as Obakasan pointed out: Finally got in about 6:30pm. Looks like we had a lot of first-time voters, many Hispanic, as we waited and waited in line as the judges kept explaining how to mark the ballots (and doing so in/speaking in Spanish). They could know how to read a little English or read English period but don't know how to speak it. OR they could be part of the older crowd and don't comprehend language very well.

ALTHOUGH most countries do speak more than one language, period, with German/French being the most (in terms of outside of the national language if you go by Nordics/Swiss/etc.) if you don't consider Chinese. So I guess this country is just backwards.

I feel you should know English to not do dumb stuff, but not required to know as much as you and myself.

It might be because I work with people who think the same thing; that people in America should know how to speak Spanish/Chinese/etc. if they are from South America, German, China, etc. and should stop being ignorant.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:25 PM

The thing with comprehension/fluency is that even once you've got a language's grammar down, you still have a lot of vocabulary to learn, and that tends to be pretty specialized. People needing an interpreter might be perfectly competent in English for whatever they do as part of their daily lives, but that doesn't necessarily equip them with adequate fluency for voting.

I speak some French. I could grocery shop in French, pay my bills in French, supervise children in French, and do my job in French. If you asked me to vote, I'd ask for an interpreter and/or English instructions, because I don't know the words I'd need for voting, and since I'm not fluent I'd worry that I'd mix up the grammar and misinterpret it. I'd want to be sure to get things 100% correct if I were making a decision that affected my nation's future.


Hell, at my local polling place a guy had to get a new ballot because he'd misunderstood the instructions - and he was a native English speaker! Ballots can be confusing enough even when they're written in someone's first language.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:19 AM

View PostThe Fujoshi, on 08 November 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

EDIT: OP SAID NO DEBATES SO I'M DONE AND COOKED WELL.


Yeah, this thread is originally about "Did you vote?" and I think it can be put to rest.

May start a new thread for political mumbo jumbo specifically.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 11:54 AM

View PostEvil_Nerd, on 08 November 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

But if they are voting then they are citizens, and while english is the common language spoken in America, perhaps they know english and feel comfortable speaking in their mother tongue?
When I was an election judge we had a spanish translator at the polling place, out of courtesy. We even had a hotline that we could call, so they could translate for us as well. Not because they spoke spanish, but because a lot of the older generations knew english, but could fully comprehend in spanish. Especially since some of the instructions are confusing on ballots (this was back in 2008 in the primaries when they rolled out those Democrat, Republican ballots.)



That's a fine mentality to have, to speak the native language, but fluency takes time and while if you work really hard you can gain comprehension and fluency, it doesn't happen very often. If you're a newcomer it might be some time before you can grasp the language, more so for older generations.

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On the flipside, there was a girl I worked with who came to America when she was in her late teens, and she didn't know english. In three years or so, she was able to speak perfectly no accent or anything. I've always thought about how interesting it is, the way we learn languages.

If that's the true case then why was everyone rasing such a stink about having to also check IDs when you vote. If your a legal citizan you'd have a ID right? It's just a little fishy to me is all.

And yes it's stupid that we need to literally have entire side of a item (food, electronics, etc.) be taking up by tons of other languages. I can see on the one hand that just having them all makes it eaiser to just ship your product anyway. But it's also stupid for me to throw away half of any manuals I get because the rest isn't in english. Kinda wasteful.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 09 November 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

If that's the true case then why was everyone rasing such a stink about having to also check IDs when you vote. If your a legal citizan you'd have a ID right? It's just a little fishy to me is all.

And yes it's stupid that we need to literally have entire side of a item (food, electronics, etc.) be taking up by tons of other languages. I can see on the one hand that just having them all makes it eaiser to just ship your product anyway. But it's also stupid for me to throw away half of any manuals I get because the rest isn't in english. Kinda wasteful.

No you wouldn't have an ID if you are a legal resident, my cousins in NYC were born in the US to American parents and they don't have one. They don't drive and the state of NY wants $50 for an ID card. Lots of non drivers in US have no government issued ID, most of which reside in urban areas.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:50 PM

View Postjsieczkar, on 09 November 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

No you wouldn't have an ID if you are a legal resident, my cousins in NYC were born in the US to American parents and they don't have one. They don't drive and the state of NY wants $50 for an ID card. Lots of non drivers in US have no government issued ID, most of which reside in urban areas.

wow. Then your state just sucks. Cuz not only is a drivers lienece like 10 bucks here, getting a state ID is free. All you need is proof of citizanship and the like. It's not hard to get a ID though. You would need it to buy alcohol, tobacco, to get a job, open a bank account, useing or getting a credit card,etc. You can't tell me that millions of people can somehow live and work their lives without some form of ID. It's not really possiable
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