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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:04 AM

Here's the article:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-...each-plagiarism

how do you feel about this?
i mean, sometimes using body positioning from another comic or whatever is fine; it's called
'swiping' if i remember correctly and it's considered okay in the comic book industry, but THIS...
he's ripping off panel layouts and character designs CONSISTENTLY throughout the book apparently.
i mean, if you're going to steal so much from other artist, try not to rip-off them all at once!
there's bleach, FMA and one piece all on a single page:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/Keii...nicksimmons.jpg

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:05 AM

I read about this the other day. It shows he doesn't have talent if he blatantly traces the panels. :\

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Ladies ladies ladies, if you find a man whose only concern about a woman is her breast size, he just may be dumb enough to believe you if you say you have Ds when you have Bs. :thumbup:

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:14 AM

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

What I do just copy panels from other manga just to get a better understanding of certain positions and perspectives, but I never put them in my manga.

Though I must say I was quite interested in the fact that Gene Simmons' son started writing a manga... >_>
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:17 AM

I'm surprised mainly about the fact that guy ripped off such a popular manga. If you're gonna xerox and recolor another's work, don't go for one easily recognized. (Shouldn't do it at all though.)
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:19 AM

apparently, he pretended not to know what manga--calling it 'magma' by accident/on purpose--
on facebook after the scandal started to build or something. i'm surprised i'm just hearing about this.
a lot of people have been pretty pissed. tons of NEW pages he's traced from other manga has been found.

i can understand tweaking a design or two you found in another series you like, but not basing
pretty much EVERY character on someone else's. i can understand copying a single panel, but not an ENTIRE
page! and, he's a published comic author!!

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I'm surprised mainly about the fact that guy ripped off such a popular manga. If you're gonna xerox and recolor another's work, don't go for one easily recognized. (Shouldn't do it at all though.)

i felt the same way. it was as dumb as it was lazy..=\

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:22 AM

Hellsing was one of the other manga he's copied. I wanted to cry. My poor Hellsing. -huggles Hellsing-

There's a wiki on his "manga". Look up Incarnate (comics) in the wiki search.

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Ladies ladies ladies, if you find a man whose only concern about a woman is her breast size, he just may be dumb enough to believe you if you say you have Ds when you have Bs. :thumbup:

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:23 AM

I may use another comic to help me with a body angle or even a facial expression, but I draw what I see, not trace. I mean you can't even call that fan art. That's just wrong & illegal for a reason. I find this very disturbing, but who knew he was a Bleach fan.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:23 AM

"Oops, I accidentally copied a picture almost verbatim, but I swear I never heard of this 'Bleach' of which you speak, isn't bleach used when cleaning cloths? lololol"
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:26 AM

View PostFoolish Humon, on Feb 26 2010, 12:23 AM, said:

"Oops, I accidentally copied a picture almost verbatim, but I swear I never heard of this 'Bleach' of which you speak, isn't bleach used when cleaning cloths? lololol"

that's basically what he said. but it's the internet, so it could've been someone pretending to be him.
and yeah, gene simmon's son does manga, apparently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWuQS2KATOk...player_embedded

he even has a DA account.
http://letsleepinggo...deviantart.com/

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:29 AM

Want to know the truly sad part? His dad is a huuuuge comic fan. Which makes you wonder whether he knew what was going on, or if Nick somehow managed to keep it out of Gene's sight.

Either way, one can hope that when Gene does find out what's coming - and he will - he won't just tuck Nick under his wing and shield him from the onslaught of bad press, and instead let his son learn a very valuable lesson in what happens to plagiarists.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:30 AM

View PostSaphrinka, on Feb 26 2010, 12:29 AM, said:

Want to know the truly sad part? His dad is a huuuuge comic fan. Which makes you wonder whether he knew what was going on, or if Nick somehow managed to keep it out of Gene's sight.

Either way, one can hope that when Gene does find out what's coming - and he will - he won't just tuck Nick under his wing and shield him from the onslaught of bad press, and instead let his son learn a very valuable lesson in what happens to plagiarists.


I hope he gets grounded and has to go to bed with no supper.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:31 AM

Wow. What a loser. I would be mad too if someone took my art and photocopied it and then drew over it and made it their own AND not giving any credit to the original artist. But then again he is the product of Gene Simmons so this doesnt surprise me. I heard he isn't just doing this with Bleach also. He stole images from other mangas as well.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:42 AM

On the wiki page it says he also steals images/lines/characters from people who post their stuff on deviantart. I almost feel like that is worse than ripping of bleach or fma.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:43 AM

I wanna rock and roll all niiiggght..and copy everyday!

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On the wiki page it says he also steals images/lines/characters from people who post their stuff on deviantart. I almost feel like that is worse than ripping of bleach or fma.


I have a feeling he's gonna get a nice visit from the lawyers of viz and all the other people he copied from. And he'll probably learn a big lesson from this.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:44 AM

He's copied Bleach, Hellsing, One Piece, Dogs: Bullets and Carnage, and some others. The wiki doesn't say which ones anymore. They changed and added some stuff in one day. .____.

And yes, he's supposedly copied this person, Rae on DA.

Here's something on LJ: http://community.livejournal.com/bleachnes...299.html#cutid1

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Ladies ladies ladies, if you find a man whose only concern about a woman is her breast size, he just may be dumb enough to believe you if you say you have Ds when you have Bs. :thumbup:

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:46 AM

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:57 AM

Facebook already has a fan page up called Calling For Legal Action Against Nick Simmons For Plagiarism. Already 2,359 people joined.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Calling-for-...wall&ref=mf
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:59 AM

View Postexcel excel, on Feb 26 2010, 12:57 AM, said:

Facebook already has a fan page up called Calling For Legal Action Against Nick Simmons For Plagiarism. Already 2,360 people joined

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:02 AM

View PostSuigetsu, on Feb 26 2010, 12:59 AM, said:

Fix'd


Wow...make that 2,374. By tomorrow it will be OVER 9000!
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:04 AM

View Postexcel excel, on Feb 26 2010, 01:02 AM, said:

Wow...make that 2,374. By tomorrow it will be OVER 9000!


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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:12 AM

Just by looking at the panels its like he's not even trying to cover it up. Like he's proud of it

http://community.livejournal.com/bleachnes...299.html#cutid1

Especially the image of Orihime is a dead giveaway.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:14 AM

View Postexcel excel, on Feb 26 2010, 01:12 AM, said:

Just by looking at the panels its like he's not even trying to cover it up. Like he's proud of it

http://community.livejournal.com/bleachnes...299.html#cutid1

Especially the image of Orihime is a dead giveaway.

I just posted that link a few posts up.

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Ladies ladies ladies, if you find a man whose only concern about a woman is her breast size, he just may be dumb enough to believe you if you say you have Ds when you have Bs. :thumbup:

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:16 AM

View Postexcel excel, on Feb 26 2010, 01:12 AM, said:

Just by looking at the panels its like he's not even trying to cover it up. Like he's proud of it

http://community.livejournal.com/bleachnes...299.html#cutid1

Especially the image of Orihime is a dead giveaway.


It's so obvious I wanna say it's all a joke. Just ridiculous.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:20 AM

View PostLina, on Feb 26 2010, 01:14 AM, said:

I just posted that link a few posts up.


I know. Its just makes me mad that he would do this and not give credit when credit's due. Repo Man is a good example of this. Its the same plot from Repo: The Genetic Opera. It's so obvious. Shakes head.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:21 AM

Maybe he was hoping if he plagiarized more recent Bleach chapters/characters than American audiences would be none the wiser because Viz hasn't got that far into the series as far as I know.

Edit: So I wasn't the only one who thought Repo Men seemed like a ripoff of Repo. And freaking deviantart wants its members to support that... tsk tsk.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:22 AM

BUSTED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWuQS2KATOk...player_embedded

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:26 AM

Repo Men may have the same base plot, but they are very different. Repo Men focuses on the repossessing of organs. Repo the Genetic Opera focuses on everything but that. Besides, there are plenty of differences. Also, Repo Men is based off the book The Repossession Mambo. The author is the writer of the movie.

I've already gone a long rant on that on the youma forums.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:41 AM

^My bad, I've only seen the commercials.

It's kinda funny, I just remembered the mangaka that created Psyren got some flack for having a very similar art style as Tite Kubo, but he never ripped off stories or character. Though I thought the beginning was kind of a rip off of Gantz, haha.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 01:46 AM

Not a problem. You'd think you'd see a major difference in the commercials. The red band trailer is epic. It's not for those with a weak stomach. There's not much on Repo Men, but from the trailer I can tell that there are differences. It's not as dark and not gothy like Repo. It's more light and looks like it has humor. One huge difference is that Repo Men isn't a musical. lol Besides, you can't really call it a complete rip off if only one thing is the same. But who knows how similar the two are. We'll have to wait for the movie to come out to see how similar they really are. Can't really get too much from just a trailer and very little information, but this story isn't really original either. Nothing is really original anymore. Just look at Avatar. lol

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 02:31 AM

Doujin's just fanart. As long as you acknowledge the source material, I see nothing wrong with it. I don't think people should make money off of doujin (at least not without a portion of it going to the original artist), but Japan isn't as stringent with copyright as the US is.

Heck, I do fanart myself...but I'm not so arrogant as to think I should ever make money off it. Though I think my Kaa vs. Kikyo piece is pretty awesome. Well, the idea is, anyway.

Plagarism is plagarism though, and Nick Simmons should be kicked repeatedly by one of his dad's spiked boots until it sets in.

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