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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:54 PM

One of our group is going as Rip Van winkle from Hellsing, and she carries a rather large rifle (really long barrel) photo
I want to make the prop using pvc or metal tubing and wood (so it won't have any type of shooting mechanism). I was also thinking of stuffing the end with orange clay to definitely show it's not real.
It would be under 4ft in length.

My question is this, would I be in violation of the rules if she were to carry it around? I know the knew rule with the airsoft and this will hardly look like one. It's mainly for photos and that's it.
I would like to know before I put the time and effort into a prop she can't carry.
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 05:01 PM

Since the prop isn't an actual airsoft gun, I don't think that would be a problem. To be safe, get it tagged by IRT so you won't get stopped while walking around con.
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 05:08 PM

I would wait until they post up what you can bring, which should be up tonight. :3

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Post icon  Posted 19 March 2009 - 05:12 PM

i wonder if nerf guns are ok as long as i dont bring the nerf little darts, do you think thats is ok?
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 05:30 PM

I remember Rabbi said something about those in the prop weapons thread.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 09:17 AM

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ii.Gun-like

1.By state and federal law, any replica firearms must have an orange tip to identify them as such.
2.Nerf guns, water guns, clear/steampunk/sci-fi replicas (not replicas of actual modern weapons) and similar projectile weapons are allowed if NEVER loaded.
3.Replicas and Airsoft reproductions of actual modern weapons may not be carried in the convention area. (See Masquerade Rules for any costume contest-specific exceptions.)
4.You may not carry projectiles of any kind on your person.
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  • 1.If you are worried about whether your prop may be considered realistic, please come to Information Services / Customer Service and have it checked. If you do not and are found carrying weapon replicas or live steel, your props will be confiscated permanently.
  • 5.If you, your costume, or your costume prop is responsible for any damage to the convention center or hotel, you will be held personally responsible and billed accordingly for the resulting damage.
  • 6.If you are waving your props around, handling them in an unsafe manner, or firing them, they will be confiscated and tagged.
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 09:41 AM

thank you as long as i still hhave the orange tips on it and it clearly says nerf gun on it it should be fine because i had planned on painting them over
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 09:18 PM

I've mocked mine up with foam and metal tubing. Would the metal tubing inside the foam be considered "live steel". If so I could prob try to pop the metal tube out and replace it with PVC, though I like the metal look for the rifle and it gives the insulation foam a bit more stability (as the stock is actually 2 pcs of insulation foam glued together. It's also less for me to figure out how to paint correctly.
I tried wood, but my wood skills rot, and I want to go with lightweight (considering we will be carrying it around all day at con, though mostly strapped to someones back and only taken off for photos). I made sure the prop itself falls under the 4ft limit.

So the big question is 3/8" metal tubing (think pipe but thinner wall, I know this because I work for a pipe supply company and the tubing I'm using is actually scrap we can't use due to the wall thickness being to thin.) encased (except for maybe 1/2" to 1" out at the tip and maybe 1/8" sticking out the top to give a barrel look) in insulation pink foam and painted black, would that be considered live steel?

I'm going for a rifle look, but I also want to make sure no one mistakes it for a real gun. It won't have any kind of trigger or way of ejecting a projectile and I'm also sticking bright orange sculpty clay in the end. I will have a photo later if needed.


I'd take it to IRT, but it'd be a pain to walk it all the way back to the car if they say " NO". I know last year they were telling those dressed as Winry from Full metal alchemist to not bring metal wrenches. So I'm concerned and want to fall within the rules.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 10:51 AM

View Postblkcat523, on Mar 23 2009, 04:18 AM, said:

I've mocked mine up with foam and metal tubing. Would the metal tubing inside the foam be considered "live steel". If so I could prob try to pop the metal tube out and replace it with PVC, though I like the metal look for the rifle and it gives the insulation foam a bit more stability (as the stock is actually 2 pcs of insulation foam glued together. It's also less for me to figure out how to paint correctly.
I tried wood, but my wood skills rot, and I want to go with lightweight (considering we will be carrying it around all day at con, though mostly strapped to someones back and only taken off for photos). I made sure the prop itself falls under the 4ft limit.

So the big question is 3/8" metal tubing (think pipe but thinner wall, I know this because I work for a pipe supply company and the tubing I'm using is actually scrap we can't use due to the wall thickness being to thin.) encased (except for maybe 1/2" to 1" out at the tip and maybe 1/8" sticking out the top to give a barrel look) in insulation pink foam and painted black, would that be considered live steel?

I'm going for a rifle look, but I also want to make sure no one mistakes it for a real gun. It won't have any kind of trigger or way of ejecting a projectile and I'm also sticking bright orange sculpty clay in the end. I will have a photo later if needed.


I'd take it to IRT, but it'd be a pain to walk it all the way back to the car if they say " NO". I know last year they were telling those dressed as Winry from Full metal alchemist to not bring metal wrenches. So I'm concerned and want to fall within the rules.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 04:25 PM

ye sthe metal tube is live steel. so it would get flaged. Sorry to be the bad news guy but pvc would be a good choice
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Post icon  Posted 16 April 2009 - 01:42 PM

Actually, this year is a bit different. Over the years the term "live steel" had been extended to include "all steel". The actual rules posted on the acen website read as follows for live steel:

Live Steel Is Prohibited Any object crafted from any metal with a blade-like or pointed end, blunt or sharp, is considered “live steel”.

So as long as the prop is not blade-like or have a pointed end.... even if it is metal, should be fine. Just be safe with it. That goes for all props. Otherwise, metal or not, it will be confiscated.
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 08:53 PM

Does this mean, I can bring a metal frying pan?

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 12:49 PM

I changed out the metal for PVC, this way there can be no question at all for being against the rules. I don't want the hassle of having one person say ok, the next say no and then be stuck in weapons check for a long time while the question is asked.

I did paint the barrel black, and there is no firing mechanism (I made the trigger, and the flint lock firing thing out of foamy and it's glued to the side of the gun.). I even plugged the barrel with bright neon orange clay just to be safe.

It will look good in photos, but once you take a look at it you can tell it is fake.

I also cut the prop down to make sure it's under the con length limit.
The gun will be hung of the back of a 13 yr old who's going to con with us (her mom's with our group).

I just didn't want any trouble with IRT, so since I didn't hear anything I went with the safe route.
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Posted 23 April 2009 - 11:06 AM

just one thing
is it realistic
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:52 PM

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just one thing
is it realistic


Don't think so. I tried to keep it as a cross between realistic and cartoon variety. My prop making skills are not the greatest (first time I've used insulation foam and made anything gun like) so yeah it's not perfect (it's got bumps and divots and such) held together with electrical tape for detailing. In far away photos you won't be able to tell, but anyone looking at it will be able to. Most of the detailing is off to the side not on the back (top) of the gun. All the details are made of Foamy. The gun stock itself is foam painted brown, and the barrel is pvc painted dull black. If anyone claims it's real, then I dare them to try and fire the thing without blowing down the hollow tube (which would be hard to do now that the end is plugged with naruto orange clay). It has no moving parts what so ever.

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I'll have IRT weapons check look it over when we get to the convention first thing. I don't want any issues. It's mainly for photos.
I figure the resident evil cosplayers will have more of an weapon issue then I will.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 08:43 AM

View Postblkcat523, on Apr 25 2009, 10:52 PM, said:

Don't think so. I tried to keep it as a cross between realistic and cartoon variety. My prop making skills are not the greatest (first time I've used insulation foam and made anything gun like) so yeah it's not perfect (it's got bumps and divots and such) held together with electrical tape for detailing. In far away photos you won't be able to tell, but anyone looking at it will be able to. Most of the detailing is off to the side not on the back (top) of the gun. All the details are made of Foamy. The gun stock itself is foam painted brown, and the barrel is pvc painted dull black. If anyone claims it's real, then I dare them to try and fire the thing without blowing down the hollow tube (which would be hard to do now that the end is plugged with naruto orange clay). It has no moving parts what so ever.

pic of the gun
pick of the trigger
pick of the front of gun

I'll have IRT weapons check look it over when we get to the convention first thing. I don't want any issues. It's mainly for photos.
I figure the resident evil cosplayers will have more of an weapon issue then I will.


Paint the whlole tip orange, not just a barrel plug, and I would say it is ok.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 06:59 PM

View Postdavincitat, on Apr 26 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

Paint the whlole tip orange, not just a barrel plug, and I would say it is ok.


I painted over the plug, the whole tip and around the tip. The orange is about an 1'' off the front of the barrel. I remember something about orange having to be 1", but didn't know if this was an acen rule or not. But to be safe the front tip *entire tip* is bright pumpkin orange.

Now will IRT be marking weapons deamed ok? If so mind if I ask how, only because I want to make it easy for IRT to both mark and identify this gun so we aren't stopped every few feet by a new IRT memeber asking to see the gun.
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