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#91 User is offline   rondo 

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

The first time something illegal happens to a minor from someone who isn't during one of these events, heaven forbid, well then you'll see some attention...if the con doesn't get sued out of existence.

It's not a good argument for age restrictions, but it is one that could be used..especially if it is determined the con didn't do enough to protect underage individuals during an event which may help foster such activities.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:32 PM

I wasn't trying to offend, demean, or start an argument either. I'm always down and open for civil discussion where a compromise can be made. I'm just posting my concerns as well.

View PostKungPowKirby, on 08 November 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

I know many people, including myself, do not go to the raves simply because they are not 18+.


Again, not trying to be offense, but there's part of the problem right there. In my opinion, how can you argue against something without actually having been there.

View PostKungPowKirby, on 08 November 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

The problem is my friends and I dont know who's there and who we are dancing with. You could easily offend a parent of a child and get into big trouble.


If you have concerns about offending a child or having to worry about "jail bate", simple solution, don't approach anyone you don't know not just for your safety but for their safety as well. If concerns with "jail bate" is a habitual problem, then maybe attending anime conventions isn't for you.

View PostKungPowKirby, on 08 November 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

I'm still for the option of moving Soap to Friday and keeping it all ages. Synergy should be made a smaller 18+ rave on Saturday night and not in the main ballroom area.


I understand where you're going with this. I'm in no authoritative position to make such a change but this is something I could be down for, except the 18+ on Synergy's part. They both should be all ages.
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostKungPowKirby, on 08 November 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Many people believe ACen is turning into an entertainment convention instead of an Anime one- and the focus on the raves is a huge part of that. I understand that Synergy is supposed to have a different feeling and type of music than Soap, and you could keep it that way, but having a place that you dont have to worry about 'jail bate' would be awesome as well.


It's not just a different feeling and a type of music though. ACen works with us to book top talent from Japan who not only represent Japanese fandom (many of the people we bring out are doujin artists, do music for video games and anime, or are really big fans of the same things most con-goers are themselves), but also have a following within the fandom in the US. Many of the people who decry our event don't seem to understand that at all. Just because it isn't your style of music, it doesn't make it irrelevant to the convention. ACen's work with us, and the event we throw, is really not much different than them booking a band or other music guest from Japan other than our goal being to emulate the feeling of going to a party/club event in Japan as well.

It's not our place to state when our party happens, where it happens, or any age restrictions so I'll leave that arguement alone. But it is extremely short sighted of a lot of people to just immediately smack down either of the dance events for their relevance to the convention or the con-going public in general. Especially in the case of Synergy, which is a one of a kind event in the US and it is very much rooted in what the convention is all about (Japanese culture and fandom).

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:39 PM

View Postrondo, on 08 November 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

The first time something illegal happens to a minor from someone who isn't during one of these events, heaven forbid, well then you'll see some attention...if the con doesn't get sued out of existence.

It's not a good argument for age restrictions, but it is one that could be used..especially if it determined the con didn't do enough to protect underage individuals during an event which may help foster such activities.


I feel that people are aware of their actions more at Hardcore Synergy and the Soap Bubble because of it's nature. Kind of like walking down the street around UIC late at night. People know what they're doing and because of it, they have a higher sense of awareness of themselves and what's going on around them.

I mean how many of us have heard stories of bad things happening in the hallways/lobby area late at night? I know I have (not just at ACen but other conventions too). Safety should be the number one concern for anyone running any event at any convention. I don't want to post personal stories. But from my experiences, police/fire department/emt has been called more often due to people being dumb outside of the dances than because of inside.
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:45 PM

View PostDJ Jeffito, on 08 November 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

But from my experiences, police/fire department/emt has been called more often due to people being dumb outside of the dances than because of inside.


Generally speaking, yeah..I can't argue with that. Guess what it comes down to is that is the con doing enough to protect it's patrons and, ultimately, itself? Doing dumb things outside of con events are one thing...but if it is in a con-sanctioned/controlled event where an incident occurs, then that changes the landscape of this to a degree.

Ultimately it comes down to what the con feels works for them and the risks they are comfortable taking. All we can do is just blurt out ideas/suggestions.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:03 PM

View PostDJ Jeffito, on 08 November 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Again, not trying to be offense, but there's part of the problem right there. In my opinion, how can you argue against something without actually having been there.


I went to Soap Bubble for two years - I just left because I didnt feel comfortable with everything going on in them and not knowing peoples ages or being able to see to discern who is who. I wont attend anymore because of that. I should have been more clear.


View PostDJ Jeffito, on 08 November 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

If you have concerns about offending a child or having to worry about "jail bate", simple solution, don't approach anyone you don't know not just for your safety but for their safety as well. If concerns with "jail bate" is a habitual problem, then maybe attending anime conventions isn't for you.


Nope- attending anime conventions is for me. Attending raves at them may not be - in my opinion theres no reason for them to go hand in hand. - If many people had their way they wouldnt have them at all. I dont approach people in them- but you can not stop it from happening in a close nit/dark area like a rave. You cant tell who's who in there. - so this dispute doesnt really cut it in the context we are speaking.

Also offending a child isnt my concern- their parents are. My good friend got blacklisted because of a comment made in a panel. They are a very well known group and stated from the beginning that people should leave if they are easily offended. However when it came down to it- a parent didnt like something- and therefore he got in trouble. The kid was fine with it though. In this day in age kids arent considered people until the age of 18. Even if they are fine with something a parent can make a big deal in their behalf and it doesnt matter what the kid thinks/does/etc.

View PostDJ Jeffito, on 08 November 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I understand where you're going with this. I'm in no authoritative position to make such a change but this is something I could be down for, except the 18+ on Synergy's part. They both should be all ages.


I have several friends who attend DragonCon- which has many raves/parties/ect - they are almost all 18+ - there is no reason to have to have kids in raves. Actually theres more reasons not to have them in my opinion. I think this would be a fair comprise. Both sets of people would be getting a dance so therefore would not feel excluded. I plan attending several of the Raves/Parties/ect when I attend Dragoncon- because I'll feel safe and not worrying about getting arrested for a kid approaching me.


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Again just my opinion and I know it is not the popular one among the ravers. I wont be discussing this anymore (for the time being) because its impossible to change peoples opinions once they are made up and it wasnt my goal anyway. ------ I just hope that some of the people in charge get together and address the concerns of the few- because they are very valid. I understand that Soap/Synergy has been run by the same person(s) pretty much since its conception - therefore changes in the program are probably near impossible, but I can only hope. I saw the convention chair is on the forums, so maybe they will address it.
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

Dances at conventions

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not

"raves"



And people should stop referring to them as such, because it is just wrong.
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:42 PM

View PostAlkaren Hyralt, on 08 November 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

Dances at conventions

are

not

"raves"



And people should stop referring to them as such, because it is just wrong.



Sorry lol
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:50 PM

Dances are not raves but raves can be dances...? Call it whatever, seriously...but is it closer to a dance or is it closer to a rave? I'd consider the Crystal Ball a dance above anything else during the con.

Or just call everything con-sponsored social gatherings.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:02 PM

View Postrondo, on 08 November 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Dances are not raves but raves can be dances...? Call it whatever, seriously...but is it closer to a dance or is it closer to a rave? I'd consider the Crystal Ball a dance above anything else during the con.

Or just call everything con-sponsored social gatherings.


Rave generally has very negative connotations to it.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:07 PM

View Postrondo, on 08 November 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Dances are not raves but raves can be dances...? Call it whatever, seriously...but is it closer to a dance or is it closer to a rave? I'd consider the Crystal Ball a dance above anything else during the con.

Or just call everything con-sponsored social gatherings.

sounds about right. Social gatherings is what they should be called.
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 08:39 PM

Honestly....I've seen adults do more stupid stuff at raves than 18 and under. Im 23 and shouldn't care if it is 21+ but banning them isn't the solution. If you want to have a curfew, than sure. I would hate to see some of my 18 and under friends especially the ones that are just 17 who are responsible at raves get kicked out. If not the rave,then they most likely will do something else.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 07:59 PM

There is a curfew in the city of Rosemont.
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Posted 11 November 2013 - 12:56 PM

For the past few years, my main request has always been for more Karaoke. In 2011, they had like a 24-7 Karaoke room (if I remember correctly) and it was AMAZING. I know this is dependent on third party companies so it's often out of ACen's control, but anime con karaoke is the most fun crap ever.

Also, this may be a ~controversial~ opinion, but I'm gonna keep it real. Those two women who have been hosting the masquerade are awful. They're so unfunny and boring it ruins the show.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:53 PM

View Postsockie, on 11 November 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

For the past few years, my main request has always been for more Karaoke. In 2011, they had like a 24-7 Karaoke room (if I remember correctly) and it was AMAZING. I know this is dependent on third party companies so it's often out of ACen's control, but anime con karaoke is the most fun crap ever.


I agree! Karaoke ftw.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:52 AM

I'm going to add more Karaoke as well! When I went in 2012 it seemed like there at least 3 different times you could do it.(And different times as well, one was late at night and I know for sure one was Sunday morning/early afternoon.)

My boyfriend LOVES doing Karaoke and was very disappointed to find only ONE karaoke event and the wait was so long we couldn't even do it.

With something as popular as this, there needs to be at least two timeslots for it.

24/7 would be beyond awesome though. ^_^

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:49 PM

the 2011 karaoke company is no longer with Anime Central, we haven't been able to find an alternative company so karaoke has been switched to applied for panels. Groups and companies are welcome to apply through the panel app, we would LOVE to have a dedicated group again. It's all dependent on who is willing to run the event(s) at Anime Central.
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Posted 26 November 2013 - 02:25 PM

Toss one of the dances.
It's ludicrous to have two of them. They are taking up too much space. More Programming can be put into play in place of one of them.
OR
Shorten the length AND create age restrictions on BOTH.

Soap Bubble is a sweat fest. Don't try and spin it into anything else. It is what we all know it to be. A good and fun time, but NOT MEANT FOR MINORS. Fix it. Now.

Apply restrictions through badge color coding. Simple. Done and done. I see NO reason why this is not yet in effect. Curfew means nothing to the minors if no one is enforcing this.

Thank goodness nothing bad has truly happened to a teenager at Soap. But should we wait around til that happens to actually do something about it? I hope that is not the "logic" here. God I really hope not.

Soap Bubble is not shady. It's a dance. where people "rave" YES. they dance. no, drugs are not involved, nor are they tolerated if they ARE found.
However, 1. it runs past curfew. thats a legal issue with the young ones. 2. Any number of things can go wrong. I would rather act on this "paranoia" if you will, than wait til one girl gets peeved with someone coming onto her and then ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. Parents point out that shes too young for the dance, curfew, etc etc. and then what? THEN Anime Central puts on an age limit?

Please do something about this already. It's insane it hasn't been done before. and if need REALLY exists for money/attendee boosting issues, keep Synergy for minors ONLY then, with reasonable hours and duration of the event.

ACen is not a free-for-all. We can all pretend it is, if that makes you feel better about it, but it isn't. It is a large scale event with MANY people to look after for the weekend. Restrictions, limitations, and rules need to exist, and exist HARD.



Also, IRT who work in the street between Hyatt and convention center need megaphones. There is NO WAY anyone can hear these guys bellowing. Attendees need to be reminded CONSTANTLY of rules. Some of these folks are new, or some from cons that are vastly different. IRT is there to keep folks safe and remind of those rules, but no one can hear them outside yelling to get off the street. Get some megaphones. Fund it. Somehow. Someone is going to get hit by a car. Rosemont probably HATES ACen time because it means thoughtless people drifting in the street when OTHER people in the area maybe need to get to work, get to the airport, etc. and here we all are, dancing around and taking our sweet time.

Unacceptable. I'd rather be on staff and have attendees think I am a hormonal MONSTER for calling at them to get off the street for the millionth time, than have them get hurt and/or further demonstrate to the city what a bunch of idiots we all are for disregarding general safety and law.

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 02:36 PM

View PostSiren_N0el, on 26 November 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Toss one of the dances.
It's ludicrous to have two of them. They are taking up too much space. More Programming can be put into play in place of one of them.
OR
Shorten the length AND create age restrictions on BOTH.

Soap Bubble is a sweat fest. Don't try and spin it into anything else. It is what we all know it to be. A good and fun time, but NOT MEANT FOR MINORS. Fix it. Now.

Apply restrictions through badge color coding. Simple. Done and done. I see NO reason why this is not yet in effect. Curfew means nothing to the minors if no one is enforcing this.

Thank goodness nothing bad has truly happened to a teenager at Soap. But should we wait around til that happens to actually do something about it? I hope that is not the "logic" here. God I really hope not.

Soap Bubble is not shady. It's a dance. where people "rave" YES. they dance. no, drugs are not involved, nor are they tolerated if they ARE found.
However, 1. it runs past curfew. thats a legal issue with the young ones. 2. Any number of things can go wrong. I would rather act on this "paranoia" if you will, than wait til one girl gets peeved with someone coming onto her and then ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. Parents point out that shes too young for the dance, curfew, etc etc. and then what? THEN Anime Central puts on an age limit?

Please do something about this already. It's insane it hasn't been done before. and if need REALLY exists for money/attendee boosting issues, keep Synergy for minors ONLY then, with reasonable hours and duration of the event.

ACen is not a free-for-all. We can all pretend it is, if that makes you feel better about it, but it isn't. It is a large scale event with MANY people to look after for the weekend. Restrictions, limitations, and rules need to exist, and exist HARD.



Also, IRT who work in the street between Hyatt and convention center need megaphones. There is NO WAY anyone can hear these guys bellowing. Attendees need to be reminded CONSTANTLY of rules. Some of these folks are new, or some from cons that are vastly different. IRT is there to keep folks safe and remind of those rules, but no one can hear them outside yelling to get off the street. Get some megaphones. Fund it. Somehow. Someone is going to get hit by a car. Rosemont probably HATES ACen time because it means thoughtless people drifting in the street when OTHER people in the area maybe need to get to work, get to the airport, etc. and here we all are, dancing around and taking our sweet time.

Unacceptable. I'd rather be on staff and have attendees think I am a hormonal MONSTER for calling at them to get off the street for the millionth time, than have them get hurt and/or further demonstrate to the city what a bunch of idiots we all are for disregarding general safety and law.


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Posted 26 November 2013 - 02:38 PM

And about "decreased attendance" ?

Oh okay, I suppose we can focus on money instead of safety and the local law. I absolutely disagree in every bit of that concept.

I vote for no minors in Soap Bubble. Period.
What they do otherwise remainds to be seen. But inside Soap Bubble? No.
Not safe. Not LEGAL to even have them in there past 11 PM (or whatever Rosemont curfew is) in the first place. I fail to see how this is illogical.


Color coded stickers can be on the badge and then laminated.
Or the badge itself can be a certain color. These methods are not expensive in any way to apply.



to your question of Synergy - making this dance/event/rave age restricted for just the minors. (Soap Bubble for older)
and/or have it curfew enforced.

I feel that there is much focus on financial gain/attendee numbers and not the safety of said attendees.
As I said, nothing wrong has happened to a minor in Soap Bubble. Great. However it still does not seem legal to allow kids in there til 2 AM or however the duration of the dance is.

Making one dance for them seems safer, I would suppose.
Yes, kids will do whatever they want and cause trouble in any number of ways. I am not worried about kids causing trouble in Soap Bubble. I am worried of an ADULT causing a KID trouble in Soap Bubble. I feel like no one is seeing the threat here? Should I spell it out? PERVERTS. CONVENTIONS HAVE TONS OF THEM. Its a reality. Are we not aware of it? Or? I am confused. Keep kids away from sweaty adults in dark, unmonitored rooms. Simple. SO simple. Is this not in any way logical? It has nothing to do with attendee numbers. Its about what makes sense and is just generally safe and sensible.

Keep Synergy if it can be shortened to curfew and made for a certain age group to allow them their rave-time.

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 02:43 PM

That still doesn't answer why you view one as suitable for minors and one as not.
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#112 User is offline   Siren_N0el 

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 02:47 PM

Turn Synergy into a minors only rave. Age restricted. It is now underage people in a room, dancing. Also it can meet the local curfew time.
Soap Bubble can be age restricted for 18 and up. It is now adult people in a room, dancing.

It is suitable because one dance is for kids.
THe other, adults.
Adults have a higher chance of having alcohol in their systems.
Kids typically do not (I would hope. But who knows.)
The separation allows for safety for the kids.
And for adults to remain in their own age group when possibly under the influence. (Not to imply all adults are a threat, drinkers, bad choice-makers, etc. But this seems to make sense to not have kids in a rave with adults? Does anyone see the amount of grinding occuring inside Soap Bubble? Okay that is fine, but just...remove the kids from that scenario. put them in their own dance/rave/party that can be monitored better (less people, and limited to curfew.) What the kids do on their own after this dance, can only be seen and monitored when kids are in public. I gather that. However, when in the area of the convention, they are to be monitored.

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:06 PM

Have you been to the actual dances?
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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:17 PM

Yes, a few times. 2009 2010 2012 I enjoyed them thoroughly.
Is this relevant? If so, please explain what your angle is so that I am understanding you fully.
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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

View PostSiren_N0el, on 26 November 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Color coded stickers can be on the badge and then laminated.
Or the badge itself can be a certain color. These methods are not expensive in any way to apply.

Yes, because badges are so difficult to pass from one person to another.

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:35 PM

In the past very good reasons have been brought up. I'm sure looking in the archives you can find them.
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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

Yes, you already used such wording already a few posts ago.
I am aware.

As I am thinking for more solid ways for this to work,
What is your point, exactly?
Just continue to allow kids and adults in the rave? What of the legal curfew that restricts minors from even being OUT past its stated time?
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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:39 PM

Yes, the main reasons for not changing any of this (if that is what you are implying, correct me if I have you mistaken) is the fear of decreasing attendance? Scheduling conflicts? That is what I have gathered thus far regarding the dances and age limitations.

Stickers can come off. Badges can be traded. People do as they will.
So nothing will change regarding this matter, then?

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:49 PM

View PostSiren_N0el, on 26 November 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

Yes, you already used such wording already a few posts ago.
I am aware.

As I am thinking for more solid ways for this to work,
What is your point, exactly?
Just continue to allow kids and adults in the rave? What of the legal curfew that restricts minors from even being OUT past its stated time?

I love how everyone on the Internet is an expert in laws.

Here's the specific defense against curfew violations that minors at ACen likely qualify to use:

Illinois Law 720 ILCS 555 said:

(G) attending an official school, religious, or other recreational activity supervised by adults and sponsored by a government or governmental agency, a civic organization, or another similar entity that takes responsibility for the minor, or going to or returning home from, without any detour or stop, an official school, religious, or other recreational activity supervised by adults and sponsored by a government or governmental agency, a civic organization, or another similar entity that takes responsibility for the minor;


The point of all this is... what is the point? Why are you raising a stink about this?

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:51 PM

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