Future of anime in America? :\ Non-ACen, but inherently related...
Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:05 PM
I don't have any statistics. This is just coming from personal observation, so feel free to dispute me. However, it seems like the popularity of anime in American culture is waning. Do you think there will ever come a time when it's completely gone from our society? Do you see that happening in the future? The near future? Never?
Personally, I definitely think it's on the decline, but I find it hard to pin-point just what exactly is declining. Anime cons still pull in large amounts of attendees, the 'availability' of anime is definitely increasing (not so optimistic with paperback manga, though :\), more people seem to be familiar with it, and... well... it still has a large fanbase, I'd presume. Now, give it a few years and I'm honestly stumped as to where anime will be as a fandom. :\ I'd like to think something new and interesting may come out that grasps everyone's attention again, but seriously--how many times can that happen before it just... dies?
What does the future of anime in America look like to you?
Posted 24 March 2013 - 01:05 AM
We're already seeing it; it's crap.
With the slow death of print, the rise in torrents, and importation of "seen it before and done much better" shows, anime isn't really as strong as it used to be. The fact it's not shown on basic cable or satellite packages doesn't help it's case either. But it will keep coming. A great man once said "People are stupid and scared of change." The same holds true for the anime of the species; as long as we keep importing dull shows, Japan will produce dull shows, rarely deviating from the tried and true formulas.
You can prove me wrong with examples, but truth remains I can learn more about any given Chinese cartoon by browsing /a/ for even an hour and not waste my time or money.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 02:03 AM
Eh, eh, Chinese? Sorry, but this one's going over my head.
As for Japanese animation, I can't believe how easy it is to search for some random, obscure title and be able to read and/or watch readily. Toootally different from even just a few years ago, I'd say.
I like how it's possible to "sample" an anime, but with its main availability shifting to the internet, I think anime's undergoing the same change that every other medium faces when converting to the net. The only problem with this is that anime is applies to a smaller demographic and so the change is seen in bigger ways.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:52 AM
Needless to say, anime and manga's peak in American culture has already passed us by. Standard methods of reaching individuals has been surpassed by other means, some of which is a negative for the genre. There was a time where it was starting to creep into the mainstream...but it has now moved back down into a niche and it is likely to stay there.
Buying from store shelves has been mostly replaced with buying online and downloading online, for better or for worse.
The lists of distributors has dwindled to a mere handful or so names.
It's all downhill from here.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:16 PM
Before, there was toonami - it came on in the middle of the day, had good anime shows on and brought attention to it.
Then - even if they did murder it - there was 4Kids with it's UBER friendly versions for Saturday Morning cartoons.
And for the less happy go lucky there was Adult Swim.
The Tv was filled with places to easily access anime and therefore the attention for it grew quickly.
But then Toonami died, Adult Swim started to make it's own programming and 4Kids just got worse....
Leaving people who wanted to watch anime to find it online.And being used to watching it for "free" they didn't want to pay.
People have to scrounge around to find it making it less appealing for the casual type viewer/reader.
What's worse - Netflix streaming doesn't even seem to have a good amount of anime there (about 20 or 25 series and movies) so I can't even try to get into new stuff because after a few months, I have already gone through all of what interested me...
At least that's what happened for me. And I hate it. I wish I could easily turn on a channel at a certain time and find anime again...but even with the return of Toonami, the anime that comes on..comes on at like..2 AM.....le sigh...
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 06:27 PM
Sure, we can keep showing people Cowboy Bebop, but what do we tell them when they ask what they should watch next? Do we give them the same laundry list of shows that are 5-10+ years old? Do we send them to moe and otaku shows? Do we tell them to watch Naruto? No. We need a new hit and we need a company to license it and market it well.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:13 PM
^ All day, everyday this. It's true. When I recommend a show, it's usually several years old and not as "accessible" as it used to be. Sure those are some great oldies, but they should be recommended as thus--"oldies". When did that become our fall-back?
The fact that there aren't any new hits coming is what I think will ultimately affect the accessibility of anime. Sure, it may be available in every media format you can think of, but if there's no one show that pulls everything together, then it's not accessible. How else can we expect new-comers to find these things?
Posted 24 March 2013 - 08:45 PM
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:21 PM
it is - the anime 'bubble' popped a few years ago, i think? then, all the north american distribution companies started to do bankrupt, and there was virtually no anime on television at all, even 'mainstream' stuff like naruto disappeared.
no, especially considering it's always been there. the term 'anime' might not have been prevalent in pop culture, but since anime has existed, it has been imported and been dovetailed into american pop culture: astroboy aired on tv here, voltron, speed racer, sailormoon, dragon ball, etc. the days of the toonami/pokemon anime renaissance when it was massively popular and a 'cool' thing are over, for now at least. things usually happen in cycles, though. it could be a big deal a few years from now and be all over tv and in pop culture again.
maybe because comic books are a more niche market, because the manga industry still isn't in the sad shape that anime seems to be in, manga is cheaper to buy, and since manga is much easier to translate and distribute into english, i do feel like manga has an easier chance of catching on in american pop culture than anime. then again, getting americans to read anything can be tough sometimes..
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:21 AM
Anime became cool to all kids.
That was something I didn't think would ever happen. You watched Sailor Moon or Dragonball or Pokemon and you were uncool. If you owned anything from any of the shows you were a nerd. Then it was like overnight anime became okay and even cool to watch (even if it's the nasty edited NA dub version of the show) and anime cons exploded. You could go to Walmart and buy a Naruto costume (cheap as all get out, but still available). You can go to Hot Topic and buy things. Heck ebay did wonders for all kinds of merch as well. It's waning, but whos to say that in another couple of years it won't pick up again? Fan bases go up and down and there might be a time where anime con attendance drops, but something else will go huge and bring fans back. It's why Star Trek is still huge especially since the reboot cause now it looks more like what people now see as what "future" might be. It's why Doctor Who gained popularity once the show was picked up again. Heck take a look at Firefly and see what happens when people discover how awesome the show is despite it being cancelled.
I doubt it will disappear from the states completly. There's no way. There are citizens from Japan that move here and they have kids and at some point those kids will interact with the american kids and then "omg anime iz cools" starts all over again. There is always going to be a group that will love anime no matter what and so long as there is a demand there will always be a supply.
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:58 AM
But yeah no anime is a part of nerd culture now. So long as there are nerds there will be anime nerds.
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Posted 27 May 2013 - 04:13 PM
Don't get me wrong there's new anime coming out still but there's a lot more going on at
cons besides anime, Video Games & console tournaments, Magic and other card games like it,
Board games, Panels about other things besides anime...
Anime will still be here even 20 years later, some of the cons my not because there's
been many over the years that didn't make it because of boom of new conventions..
SO fear not anime will strive on....
Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:02 PM
Heck.. I even look back to when I was in like.. 4th grade, probably in 2000 or so.. I remember watching Tenchi Muyo after school on Toonami. Honestly that was probably the first Anime I watched, ever, and that def leaves a mark (Ryoko was my original waifu? I guess?? heh).
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