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#1 User is offline   Judas_Michael 

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:37 PM

Cosplaying is "Costume + Role Playing" So in short I think the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some opinions.

What do you think about cosplaying someone not of a japanese nature [to ACen or any anime con]? Do you think it's okay or do you disapprove? Would you do it yourself? Discuss.

I guess the title should have been "Is non-Japanese cosplay appropriate for ACen or other anime conventions"

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

yes it is because if you go to any other kind of convention people will still dress up and they still call it cosplay.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

I think it's fun. I do it myself, but whenever I attend an anime con, that's basically a Japanese based convention, I feel a little guilty dressing up as something that's not Japanese related. Like a video game character, or an anime character.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

To me it would be considered cosplay since the person wearing the cosplay took the time to construct an outfit to look like the character or person of interest. Last minute Halloween costumes would not be cosplay since you can easily tell that the costume was put together at last minute. I have seen my share of crappy costumes while on the train Halloween weekend.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

While cosplay is popular in Japan, it has been around for centuries. As you have said, cosplay is short for costume-play which can be drawn onto a near endless world of theater, reenactments, cons, festivals, basic life, and major events.

Common sites would be:

Medieval Fair
Sacred Festivals (Halloween is one to many culture though its ideals have become commercialized)
Themed balls

Personally I would cosplay everyday if I could, but working on computers at University isn't the best place or it that and many of costumes require dry cleanings so that adds up, haha. Haha if I could I would have a closet of wigs, gowns, suites, and tool from countless genres. I have always wanted to wanted to walk down Chicago's loop streets and parks dressed and painted as broken doll, but Chicago weather is very unforgiving on make-up.

I think the real question is when does cosplay become a way of life instead of a hobby? That is fine line.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

How do you guys feel about cosplaying a non-anime character to an "anime" convention
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Thief King Bakura -Season 5 Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters
Kaname Kuran- Vampire Knight
Beyond Birthday- Death Note, LABB Murder Cases
Sam Winchester - Supernatural
Kenny McCormick - Southpark
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:55 AM

View PostJudas_Michael, on 15 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

How do you guys feel about cosplaying a non-anime character to an "anime" convention


I really don't care and it happens all the time.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:26 PM

View PostJudas_Michael, on 15 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

How do you guys feel about cosplaying a non-anime character to an "anime" convention


Doesn't matter! People cosplay video game characters as well as comic book characters at anime conventions all the time :D Or MLP. If someone tells you otherwise ignore them or say "Well video game characters are not from anime either and anime means cartoons so why not?"

You shouldn't feel ashamed for cosplaying something that isn't anime. Oh and the only thing that grinds my gears/pet peeve is people who buy stuff from walmart and/or Hot topic and compare it/on par to the person who worked three months on a cosplay.

Like they bought a white bathrobe as well as a party wig and they claim they are Index from To Aru and put down anyone else who thinks otherwise.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

The term cosplay was coined by a Japanese man but he did so while observing an American sci-fi convention. So really American works have more right to the term than anime.

View PostJudas_Michael, on 15 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

How do you guys feel about cosplaying a non-anime character to an "anime" convention

No issue at all. I mostly cosplay anime but occasionally do other things and I've only attended anime cons. We as con-goers are allowed to like more than just anime.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:02 AM

View PostSanta Finland, on 22 January 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

The term cosplay was coined by a Japanese man but he did so while observing an American sci-fi convention. So really American works have more right to the term than anime.


Haha, I was wondering when someone would point this out. ^^

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

I'd love to see someone walk up to a big, burly man dressed as a very accurate and well-done Klingon who's very proud of his work, and tell him it's not cosplay because it's not Japanese.

Honestly, it doesn't matter what media, creator, or nation the character hails from. It's a costume, and you're playing a character. To say it's not cosplay because it's not Japanese is an elitist and (in my opinion) rude thing to say.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

View PostValkyrie, on 23 January 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

I'd love to see someone walk up to a big, burly man dressed as a very accurate and well-done Klingon who's very proud of his work, and tell him it's not cosplay because it's not Japanese.

Honestly, it doesn't matter what media, creator, or nation the character hails from. It's a costume, and you're playing a character. To say it's not cosplay because it's not Japanese is an elitist and (in my opinion) rude thing to say.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:41 PM

NO!

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

I've never had a problem with people cosplaying non-anime characters at anime conventions. The way I see it, you're there because you like anime and you get to meet other anime fans -- that doesn't mean you can only cosplay anime.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

Speaking as someone who has exactly....... hm.......... one anime related cosplay out of the 12 I have currently, I don't have a problem with it.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:20 PM

I don't mind at all.
Personally I don't really consider lolita, steampunk, or cyberpunk to be "anime" or whatever, but plenty of people dress like that there and nobody gives them any guff. A good quarter of the vendors sell non-anime related merch like kilts(why?) and steam punk accessories and raver...stuff. It's not a big deal.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:52 PM

To be honest, at my first ACen (and therefore also my first con) I was surprised to see The Dr. walking around so much. I thought "that's not anime...not even animated. why is someone dressed up that way?" But then as I got further into the con scene I realized it doesn't really matter too much. The theme of the convention is Anime and therefore the cosplays and events cater to that but it is not necessary to be only an anime cosplayer at that con.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:40 PM

I think it depends on a few factors. For me myself I have no problem with it, but there are those that have an interesting view.

There are apparently two types (three if you count actors at parks) types of costume makers. The Cosplayer, the Costumer, and the Charplayer.

Cosplayers: As defined by some costume makers, usually is seen as a younger person who tends to act out the character more, thus the term Costume player.

Costumer on the other hand is: defined as someone who creates elaborate costumes and wears them. They don't normally go into character, they're just there to show off their handy work.

Charplayers are: usually hired by parks to play a character and buy their costumes rather then make them when they are at conventions.

I think it all depends on who you talk to. I've talked to Costumers who don't like the idea of being called cosplayers because they see it as too young. I've also seen Cosplayers who don't like being called costumers because they see costumers as not really being part of the cosplay scene. Then there are Character players who seem to just be like, hey I'm cool being called either. Most cosplayer/costumers/charaplayers seem to actually be okay with dressing up in whatever you want. I think the only time to worry is if you're going to a trek convention and you walk in dressed as Han solo.

To be honest Anyone that claims that you can't cosplay as you like at a convention then they really must be a grinch.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

I know alot of people who have been going to ACen since year 1, and they swear they will never do a cosplay that the source material wasn't Japanese (alot of them claim that the first few years of ACen people would be turned away because of a non-Japanese cosplay, but I highly doubt that).
Personally, I don't care. A cosplay is a cosplay, no matter what the genre, the medium, or country of origin. As long as you're having fun with it, who cares?
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:47 AM

I've done Jareth a few times before and actually I'll be coming as Jareth this year with
A new outfit.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostSuka044, on 27 February 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

I've done Jareth a few times before and actually I'll be coming as Jareth this year with
A new outfit.


Could I please get a picture for a friend of mine. She's become a huge fan of the character.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

View PostDark Spellmaster, on 27 February 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

Could I please get a picture for a friend of mine. She's become a huge fan of the character.


Sure no problem! I'll be there all weekend as Jareth I don't believe I'll have anything else. Perhaps stuttgard loki but we'll see

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 10:24 PM

View PostJudas_Michael, on 15 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

How do you guys feel about cosplaying a non-anime character to an "anime" convention

I think it's totes ok! There are a lot of fantastic cosplays out there that are non-anime related, I cosplay non-anime characters myself.
I think as long as it's fun it's alright! I love seeing people from different fandoms interact and get along so well. I think that's the best part.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:56 PM

I personally don't approve of not being something Japanese related, but to be completely honest, I don't let it ruin my day when I see it. I just sorta take a second to acknowledge it and groan to myself how it has nothing to do with Japan and then snap back into focusing on whatever I was doing. My friends and most people I've talked to feel/do the same.

The only time you'll really hear an outward fit from me though is should the programming begin shifting to cater to these random fandoms that have nothing to do with Japan affiliated interest - since that's what these conventions are meant to be geared towards and what I am coming/paying for.


- I do want to add though, that ACen and near most other conventions market themselves for anime and Japan pop culture. So for many who say game characters would have to not be allowed as well, it depends on the game. I also think things like Lolita and musician look-alikes are acceptable. If the origin of the character or costume is Japan based then I think it is acceptable. Though, like a said, I don't fuss too much since it would simply be a losing battle.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

View PostNiroz51, on 19 March 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

The only time you'll really hear an outward fit from me though is should the programming begin shifting to cater to these random fandoms that have nothing to do with Japan affiliated interest - since that's what these conventions are meant to be geared towards and what I am coming/paying for.


You know, I feel the same way about this... Don't get me wrong, I screwing love 'Avatar: The Last Airbender', but does it belong at ACen, an anime/Japanese pop culture convention? No. I get it, its an anime-style cartoon, but an American one at that.
I agree though, that's the one thing that irks me.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:17 AM

I know for sure I'll be doing one cosplay, a Red Ribbon Army solider from DragonBall. But I have four other ideas for costumes; a Sith Lord from Star Wars OR a Rare Hunter or Orichalcos Duelist (do they even have a group name?) from Yu-Gi-Oh! (I will choose from one of these three, as the costume pieces I have in mind are nearly identical for them and would only necessitate a change of props), and the last is Dr. Insano, a mad scientist character created by Internet critic Noah "The Spoony One" Antwiler. Not all of them are Japanese, naturally, but they would still be a blast to cosplay (the Sith Lord in particular is fun; I did that for Tsubasacon last year).

It really doesn't bother me to see someone doing a non-Japanese cosplay at a convention because we're all there to have fun. It's not like someone sits down and says, "Okay - I'm going to spend thousands of dollars building this 100% movie-accurate Imperial Stormtrooper costume, pay to travel, stay in a hotel and buy a badge for this anime convention -just- to irritate people who think it should be anime costumes only." It's all in fun, and I rather like the diversity I see. But that's just my two cents.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

Well certainly nobody does that, taking the viewpoint a bit to the extremes, guy. I just believe there's a time and place. I have marvel costumes and Supernatural apparel that I wear only to their respective conventions. Outside of my split-second acknowledgement of the out of place gear, I am of course just as friendly to them as I am to any con-goer. It is just I would never intermingle unrelated interests at a convention and while I kinda don't think others should, I've come to accept that they do and always will. Like I said, I'm not particularly aggressive with the point. Though if you were to ask me directly, like now, that's is how I would say I feel about the topic.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:58 PM

I think 'inappropriate' is a bit of a strong word. Out of place, maybe, but to each their own.

For me, though I know that ACen is meant to be an anime/Japanese culture con, my idea of out-of-place vs. not tends to be based more on whether the source material is animated. Obviously, anime cosplays aren't out of place, a lot of video game characters do have designs that are anime styled, and I feel that something like Avatar/ponies/Adventure Time sort of fits in as well. They're not anime, but they are cartoons, so I can see how they're somewhat related to the topic at hand.

Something like a Ren Faire costume seems more out of place to me, but it doesn't bother me any - I'm not the costume police. If the person wearing it is having fun, why should it matter to me (or anyone) how they dress?

View PostNiroz51, on 19 March 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

The only time you'll really hear an outward fit from me though is should the programming begin shifting to cater to these random fandoms that have nothing to do with Japan affiliated interest - since that's what these conventions are meant to be geared towards and what I am coming/paying for.


^ Pretty much this.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:10 PM

I say its ok.

Think of it like this:
In the modern world, the cosplay we know of today is or is often associated with a japanese origin.
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