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#31 User is offline   Kyuu 

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:35 PM

View Postrondo, on 10 November 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

The "fiscal cliff"
National Debt
Taxes


Just leaving it here:

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Reagan knew it. Reagan said it. Under today's standards, those very words said by Reagan would be branded as words of a "Socialist". It is funny how Obama takes some of Reagan's words and sound bites, only to get chewed back for saying them.

So, guess what Republicans. Propose something that doesn't affect Social Security and Medicare -- then they can actually get somewhere. People are paying attention to these things. The age-old strategy of making poor Congressional decisions and pinning them on the President isn't working anymore.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:33 PM

View Postkahad, on 30 November 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Apparently Obama can't grasp the difference between a stimulus bill and a debt-reduction bill.

We need a emoticon of a person banging their head on a wall. It would be perfect right now.

Oh course he doesn't. His/our own Vice president said we have to "spend our way out of debt." What kind of bass ackwards thought process is that? Who in their right mind goes, "man, my debt is really high and is due soon....I know! I'll just spend ALL my money on everything except the debt. :D" *facepalm*
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:09 AM

View Postkahad, on 30 November 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

We need a emoticon of a person banging their head on a wall. It would be perfect right now.


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:27 AM

View PostKyuu, on 30 November 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:


So, guess what Republicans. Propose something that doesn't affect Social Security and Medicare -- then they can actually get somewhere. People are paying attention to these things. The age-old strategy of making poor Congressional decisions and pinning them on the President isn't working anymore.


Social Security and Medicare are what's driving the deficit upwards. They're broken. SS is out of money now and it will only get worse. Medicare will be out of money in less than a decade.

The Republicans acknowledge there's a problem. At least some Democrats feel the same way. The rest feel we can go merrily along.

Obama just proved with this ridiculous proposal how he doesn't get the idea of a deficit. His proposal is to raise taxes, have another round of stimulus spending (despite the fact that Obama himself acknowledged that the last stimulus was a failure), and "maybe" talk about a paltry $400 billion in entitlement cuts sometime next year. Even Democrats balked at his idea of raising estate taxes through the roof--he proposed that last year and it was defeated unanimously in the Senate.

His talk of ending Congressional oversight on borrowing limits is flat-out unconstitutional. The Constitution is pretty damn up front that the purse strings for the country run through Congress. It was put in there deliberately to balance the power of the President. Obama is acting like a spanked child whose parents are telling him he can't get a raise in his allowance. He wants to just be able to spend and spend and spend, not realizing that the money he's spending is becoming more worthless. We cannot just print money. Germany found that out in the 1920s; Zimbabwe lives in that system now.

The fact of the matter is that sooner or later the United States will run out of money. Our creditors will not take this spending much longer. If you had a friend you were constantly lending it to and he was blowing it all on anime rather than paying off his debts, would you keep lending to him? No. So what happens when our creditors start saying "Screw this, the US is never gonna pay me back" and stops lending? We can look at what's happening with Greece to find that out, except there's no patient sugar-daddy Germany to bail us out.

Republicans have said they get the fact they lost the election and they're willing to work with Obama on tax increases. This "proposal" shows that Obama has apparently forgotten that he's also President for the 48% of the country that didn't vote for him. The idea that "oh, this is just the Republicans' fault" is short-sighted at best.

Reagan obliterated the Democrats in 1984, but he still worked with them. He didn't prance around bragging about how he won--he got back to business. For that matter, Clinton buried Dole in 1996, but rolled up his sleeves and worked magnificently with no less than Newt Gingrich to find solutions to the country's problems. All Obama wants to do is point fingers and call people names for not automatically agreeing with him.

I'm beginning to wonder if this country should go over the fiscal cliff. Maybe we need a shock to realize that the party's over. I'm not sure people are going to realize it even then, though--it's much easier to blame someone for your problems rather than actually trying to fix them.

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