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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:04 PM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 01 October 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Bluntness is rather shunned and quickly replaces in my place of employment. However, I have a feeling that in the real world I demonstrate far more charisma and charity than the average bear. Like I said before, I shine at something we all have: two-facedness. I tell people what it is they desire to hear, thus not offending them or agitating them.

Not winning over others? *turns on the news* ahh, I see… Everybody judges everyone (even you), regardless of whom they are. Likewise, everyone compares themselves to everyone else.

I do not ‘hate’ the government. I dislike big government. I believe it’s the governments job to secure our borders, police the streets, uphold the finest national defense, things of that magnitude. I do not believe it’s the government’s job to ensure that every citizen is entitled to a satisfactory lifestyle. I do not believe it’s the government’s job to tell individuals they are required to wear a seat belt, if they lack enough common sense to click it, than let god decide the rest if they end up in an accident. I do not believe it's the governments job to say who and who can not marry. I do not feel it's the governments job to say whether abortion is ethical or not. I do not believe it's the governments job to say anything about religion or not... if some company wants to say merry christmass when people leave... or happy Hanukkah than so be it... if it offends someone, let them cry about it at night. If a company choose to not celebrate the holidays... than so be it. Who cares? Only very few radicals from both liberal and conservative sides... blockers of progress in my eyes. I do not feel the government should tax me more on certain foods just because select individuals desire to eat large quantities of considered unhealthy foods… I do not believe it’s governments job to end competition… I don’t feel like going into a store and only have one cereal box to choose from, etc.

Not all liberals and conservatives are the same. Not all liberals are communists or socialists… just like not all conservatives are racist, religious, and pro big corporations.

There are emerging liberals and conservatives both with considerably different ideals. When social issues are put to the side, many of them tend to agree. For example... I don't think anyone could truthfully say that we do not need to cut spending. The only fear I have is the growing number of individuals who lack motivation and desire to supported by the government... because that's what they know... because that is what they have seen.

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I meant anyone. Phone issues. (They really are annoying) I really don't feel like continuing this because it is off topic, and im not trying to change anyone, so im letting it go. Thing is, I'd agree with (along with many others) some people abuse the government (with aid) I hate those kind of people a lot. (I try to be as independent as humanly possible. I hate even to ask to borrow money) Tho im in firm belief that we still need it for those who don't, and want to be independent. Those people exist. Welfare and all that needs a huge reform.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:33 PM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 01 October 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I find the best way to own a vehicle, if applicable in your situation, is to always remain under warranty than upon loosing the warranty trade for the updated model.

In fact, the other day one of my windows stooped operating correctly. I brought it to the dealership, and with just my signature, it was fixed free of charge.

Well that's kind of silly...

I bought a new car in Oct of 2009, and I put so many miles on it due to my job that I went over the Warranty in one year. So I should go upside down on my car loan to trade for a newer model with a warranty? My car works fine by the way, because I maintain it.

Are you talking about leasing instead of buying because then that would make sense?

Also, I get the feeling you're ignoring me for some reason? I'm not sure why, but if it was due to my comments a few posts up then I just want to let you know I was being honest and truthful with you, not trying to goad you or to be mean in any way. I did say that I've lost some respect for you in the way you treat others and maybe that wasn't the right way to put it, but I didn't mean I'm not going to treat you with the same respect I treat everyone else.

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Yeah, so I should be a rich enough to pay for every slight mantienace problem with my car? I don't think so.

I completely disagree. Maintaining a vehicle, being insured and licensed, and staying current with state laws is all part of owning a vehicle. If you can't afford gas, car insurance, yearly license plate renewals, and routine maintenance then a car is not a good option for you. When I bought a car I was aware that I had to pay for all those things. It's like owning anything else. When you own a dog you know that you have to feed, walk, and clean him. When you own a house you know that you need to pay for gas, electric, water, garbage pickup, and sewage fees. When you own a home you have to maintain it, and be willing to pay to re-roof it, re-pave the driveway when it gets icky, fix the leaky faucet, call out a service repair man for the water heater, etc.

EDIT: By the way, this is exactly the reason why I'm stuck in an apartment right now. We aren't rich enough to maintain a house. Could we put a down payment on a house and get a mortgage right now? Yes, actually. The problem is we don't have enough money coming in to maintain a home in any way. We can't afford to make mortgage payments on top of all the utility bills, on top of home owners insurance, on top of moving costs, on top of buying all the home stuff like a lawnmower, fridge, etc.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:37 PM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 01 October 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I find the best way to own a vehicle, if applicable in your situation, is to always remain under warranty than upon loosing the warranty trade for the updated model.

In fact, the other day one of my windows stooped operating correctly. I brought it to the dealership, and with just my signature, it was fixed free of charge.


Because this is obviously the normal thing that most Americans are going to be able to do when we're in a recession, unemployment is high and the economy is awful.

I understand you're apparently doing awesome but you can't pretend that you're situation is completely average and everyone can do as you do. And it's for the average person that laws like that hurt.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:51 PM

View PostJujuFox, on 01 October 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:




I completely disagree. Maintaining a vehicle, being insured and licensed, and staying current with state laws is all part of owning a vehicle. If you can't afford gas, car insurance, yearly license plate renewals, and routine maintenance then a car is not a good option for you. When I bought a car I was aware that I had to pay for all those things. It's like owning anything else. When you own a dog you know that you have to feed, walk, and clean him. When you own a house you know that you need to pay for gas, electric, water, garbage pickup, and sewage fees. When you own a home you have to maintain it, and be willing to pay to re-roof it, re-pave the driveway when it gets icky, fix the leaky faucet, call out a service repair man for the water heater, etc.


THIS.

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To answer your question, no, I do not have an inferiority complex. Consequently, yes, I do feel that I am indeed superior to others and rightfully so. I have succeeded where many other individuals have failed… mainly due to a lack of motivation, responsibility, and a desire to grow up and wear their own shoes instead of the governments. You should try it. Repeat after me: “I am magnificent. I am successful. I am fabulous. I am financially secure. God blessed me with fine family and friends. God blessed me with a healthy body and fair looks. God blessed me to be born in a 1st world country. God blessed me with a family that built motivation. I enjoy everything I do (including posting on these forms). I enjoy the company of those around me in the ‘real’ world and choose to omit those who push misery. I am happy. I have opportunities grasp. I have ‘goals.’ I will continue to progress while others fall and I will not burden myself constantly trying to pick of the pieces for them.” Try it! It's quite refreshing. A fair self-esteem does indeed induce motivation.



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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:17 PM

View PostSteam_Loli216, on 01 October 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

THIS.



Is this guy for real.


I'm beginning to suspect a POE.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:28 PM

Which candidate wants to do away with the federal reserve bank?
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 07:49 PM

View PostJeff, on 01 October 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Which candidate wants to do away with the federal reserve bank?


Ron Paul. It's a not entirely bad idea but is pretty much impossible in practice. Kind of like most of his platform.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:03 PM

View PostSteam_Loli216, on 01 October 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

THIS.



Is this guy for real.


Girl, and quite real.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:06 PM

View PostTheStrongJaeger, on 01 October 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Because this is obviously the normal thing that most Americans are going to be able to do when we're in a recession, unemployment is high and the economy is awful.

I understand you're apparently doing awesome but you can't pretend that you're situation is completely average and everyone can do as you do. And it's for the average person that laws like that hurt.


Idk, I see a lot of individuals who are $20k plus in debt, and drive around in Lexus's / BMW's, wear all name brand clothing, have an iphone, and live in over sized houses with little furniture and sheet curtains and claim they are not responsible for their debts. I believe their priorities are out of wack.

Drive through Naperville sometime. There are quite a few prime example of people doing their best to be a yuppie.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:03 PM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 01 October 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Idk, I see a lot of individuals who are $20k plus in debt, and drive around in Lexus's / BMW's, wear all name brand clothing, have an iphone, and live in over sized houses with little furniture and sheet curtains and claim they are not responsible for their debts. I believe their priorities are out of wack.

Drive through Naperville sometime. There are quite a few prime example of people doing their best to be a yuppie.


Wait, so if I understand you think these people have their priorities out of wack but you advocate some of the same behavior(replacing a car every 3 years despite condition)? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Unless of course you pay for your cars straight cash then obviously you're ok.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:23 PM

View PostJujuFox, on 01 October 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

I completely disagree. Maintaining a vehicle, being insured and licensed, and staying current with state laws is all part of owning a vehicle. If you can't afford gas, car insurance, yearly license plate renewals, and routine maintenance then a car is not a good option for you. When I bought a car I was aware that I had to pay for all those things. It's like owning anything else. When you own a dog you know that you have to feed, walk, and clean him. When you own a house you know that you need to pay for gas, electric, water, garbage pickup, and sewage fees. When you own a home you have to maintain it, and be willing to pay to re-roof it, re-pave the driveway when it gets icky, fix the leaky faucet, call out a service repair man for the water heater, etc.

EDIT: By the way, this is exactly the reason why I'm stuck in an apartment right now. We aren't rich enough to maintain a house. Could we put a down payment on a house and get a mortgage right now? Yes, actually. The problem is we don't have enough money coming in to maintain a home in any way. We can't afford to make mortgage payments on top of all the utility bills, on top of home owners insurance, on top of moving costs, on top of buying all the home stuff like a lawnmower, fridge, etc.

That's not exaclty what I meant. Of course I pay all the nesserary thing to keep my car on the road (insurance, gas, license, etc.) What I meant was I don't have the money to do constant mantainence like paying for tire roatations, or spark plug repacements (before they break), etc etc. To keep a cars emmissions down it needs to be taken care of more like a hobby then a tool. That's why its also easier for people to find/get to jobs here because I don't think we even have emmissions testing here. And if we do it's pretty low. That way even if you poor and drive a clunky piece of junk you can still get to work and make money. Couldn't do that in Cali or other states like that.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:57 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 01 October 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

That's not exaclty what I meant. Of course I pay all the nesserary thing to keep my car on the road (insurance, gas, license, etc.) What I meant was I don't have the money to do constant mantainence like paying for tire roatations, or spark plug repacements (before they break), etc etc. To keep a cars emmissions down it needs to be taken care of more like a hobby then a tool. That's why its also easier for people to find/get to jobs here because I don't think we even have emmissions testing here. And if we do it's pretty low. That way even if you poor and drive a clunky piece of junk you can still get to work and make money. Couldn't do that in Cali or other states like that.

I've never had to do a damn thing to my cars to pass emissions. Well one time I had the check engine light on correspond with testing, but that was an easy fix IIRC. We had a 95 Nissan van that passed every time, a 2000 Mazda sedan that only had one check engine light problem that had to be fixed to pass, and my car has yet to get the notice. My husband had a very modified Mustang (aftermarket exhaust, headers, etc) and he has never not passed emissions.

On another forum we have a few members who worry about passing emissions in Cali and Ohio, but that's because they have Mustangs with FI mods, like turbos and super chargers and they run aggressive tunes.

If you keep up with maintenance you shouldn't have a problem passing. If you have a check engine light on, and don't take care of it... then you wont pass. Maybe you can't afford repairs? That's when it gets bad, and when you don't pass what even happens? Are you fined? That wouldn't be a good situation to be in.

Here in IL you only get emissions testing if you live near Chicago or St. Louis. All other counties get a pass.

This is way off topic. How'd we get on talking about passing emissions anyways? 6_9
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:22 PM

I pass emissions 7 to 8 times a day. Oh ho ho ho ho.

As much as I think Romney is a socially backwards dickbag, I think he'll be better for the economy. Mind, I'd rather have a third party in office, but that's completely impossible.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:24 PM

View PostTheStrongJaeger, on 01 October 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Wait, so if I understand you think these people have their priorities out of wack but you advocate some of the same behavior(replacing a car every 3 years despite condition)? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Unless of course you pay for your cars straight cash then obviously you're ok.


Yes, individuals are indeed out of wack when they place the value of materialistic items over essential necessities. It seems that a growing number of individuals fail to realize how to budget (just like our government). They continue to purchase things they can not necessarily afford.

For example, if an individual has an extra $350 at the end of the month, the most efficient means for that money would be to secure an emergency fund… because things happen. Stuff breaks, stuff needs repairs, accidents happen. However, in the eyes of a materialistic individual, they see that extra funding ideal for purchasing and in many cases financing overpriced luxury items such as a new item be it an expensive vehicle, new top of the line gadget, etc.

I only purchase things that I know I can 100% afford. In fact, I ensure that I have 100% of the cost available upon making a purchase be it a vehicle or luxury item.

Additionally, I find that trading in a vehicle that it fully paid for, for a new vehicle only after two-three years is near equivalent to the maintenance required for an older vehicle. Dealers tend to make deals for trade ins on vehicles purchased from their facility and a same day purchase of a new replacement. I believe last time the difference I paid was just under $4,000. And that amount of money ensured that I had absolutely no maintenance for another two-three years. I don’t even need to replace tires, etc. Oil changes are covered with the package.

However, this is not applicable for everyone’s budget. However, if achievable, it is a great peace of mind.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:34 AM

View PostJeff, on 01 October 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

I pass emissions 7 to 8 times a day. Oh ho ho ho ho.

As much as I think Romney is a socially backwards dickbag, I think he'll be better for the economy. Mind, I'd rather have a third party in office, but that's completely impossible.

Not really, Like I said eariler, the amount on registerd voters that did not vote far away the ones that voted for either candidate combined. If he did continue to vote for and push thrid party candidates they could win. I think acutally most of us regular Americans both left and right would rather have a fiscally repsonsable, soical liberal president.

The emissions thing came up because I pointed out how forcing people to change (like going from a old car that doesn't pass emissions testing to a new hybrid) is flawed because you can't push change on people that can't afford it. And as far as failing a test goes, I honestly have no idea (since we don't do that here). I'm guessing it could be anything like a point on your liecense to getting your car towed away and making it "unsafe" for street travel.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:08 AM

View PostTheStrongJaeger, on 01 October 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

I'm beginning to suspect a POE.


A what?
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:26 AM

View PostSteam_Loli216, on 02 October 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

A what?


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:36 AM

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:53 AM

Historically, creation (progress) blooms from the ashes of destruction (failure).

I'm voting for Obama. I'll admit defeat, if you cant beat them join them right? ^.^ The Democratic Party has no emerging hopeful's for 2016. Who will they put up when competent conservatives with growing positive reputations emerge such as Chris Christie or Scott Walker. :D

I'm content with that.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 11:26 AM

Neither. Libertarian party all the way.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:22 PM

View PostTheStrongJaeger, on 02 October 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:


*Looks at Mine's latest post.*

I'm voting either parody, troll, or political hack.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:02 PM

View Postkahad, on 02 October 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

*Looks at Mine's latest post.*

I'm voting either parody, troll, or political hack.


There's always Cthulu. Why vote for the lesser evil?

But seriously, voting sabotage is never a good idea. "I'm gonna vote for Obama so the Democrats are sabotaged" presumes a lot of things.

One, that the Republicans can win in 2016. True, the Dem field doesn't look too good right now--Cuomo, Castro in Texas, maybe even Hillary. But the Republicans don't look too good either. A lot of Republicans put their faith in Palin, but while I like her personally, she's not electable (and I think she gets that). Rubio may not run. There's Paul Ryan or even Rand Paul, but both come with a lot of baggage.

Two, if Obama really is as bad as we conservatives think he is (which, I admit, depends on POV), why reelect him if he's going to do that much damage to the country? That's losing the war rather than admitting the mistake.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:04 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 02 October 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

There's always Cthulu. Why vote for the lesser evil?

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:32 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 02 October 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

There's always Cthulu. Why vote for the lesser evil?

But seriously, voting sabotage is never a good idea. "I'm gonna vote for Obama so the Democrats are sabotaged" presumes a lot of things.

One, that the Republicans can win in 2016. True, the Dem field doesn't look too good right now--Cuomo, Castro in Texas, maybe even Hillary. But the Republicans don't look too good either. A lot of Republicans put their faith in Palin, but while I like her personally, she's not electable (and I think she gets that). Rubio may not run. There's Paul Ryan or even Rand Paul, but both come with a lot of baggage.

Two, if Obama really is as bad as we conservatives think he is (which, I admit, depends on POV), why reelect him if he's going to do that much damage to the country? That's losing the war rather than admitting the mistake.

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Palin is garbage. Chris Christie (governor of New Jersey) and Scott Walker (governor of Wisconsin) are both two individuals whom the Democrats have to worry about actually fear.

The issue at hand is the majority of Americans don't necessarily care full heatedly about politics. I know many individuals who are literary voting for Obama because he has support from Beyonce and that being the only reason. The 'emerging' generation is too caught up working about Jersey Shore ending, or posting pictures with "yolo" drawn on their arms then they are about who's president. In fact, I have meet multiple individuals who have no idea who Bin Laden was... and were exaggerated from hearing about him so much...

It's the same thing with many social issues. Only a certain % of the population... care.

Edit:

Like I said before, I would claim that a good % of the population don't really know much about both Obama and Romney beyond what they hear from stars, or negative feedback on their (or others around them) news station. There were many examples created during the 2008 election. When individuals with Obama signs were asked why the supported Obama (when Mcain supported ideals were inserted instead of Obama's) they agreed with everything... in some cases about Obama choosing "Palin" as his VP.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 02 October 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:


The issue at hand is the majority of Americans don't necessarily care full heatedly about politics. I know many individuals who are literary voting for Obama because he has support from Beyonce and that being the only reason. The 'emerging' generation is too caught up working about Jersey Shore ending, or posting pictures with "yolo" drawn on their arms then they are about who's president. In fact, I have meet multiple individuals who have no idea who Bin Laden was... and were exaggerated from hearing about him so much...

It's the same thing with many social issues. Only a certain % of the population... care.


I actually agree lol (tho id go further and say they voted cuz he is black.)

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:39 PM

Actually, that brings up an interesting point.

Early on in the '08 election campaign, I felt both McCain and Obama looked promising. But my choice became crystal-clear very quickly once two things became apparent - Palin would be McCain's VIP pick, and McCain wanted to keep troops in the Middle East.

Now, Palin has charm. I'll give her that. But the way she presented herself in those crucial weeks was horrific. She made herself look incompetent compared to McCain. And given his age, it wasn't pleasant imagining McCain suddenly passing away and Palin stepping up. She's gotten better over the years, but that run damaged the impression she could have made.

As to the Middle East...well, my take on that stance was more personal than anything. I had a boyfriend in the Air Force at the time (who is now my husband). While McCain is a good man, I was not fond of the idea of keeping so many troops in the Middle East when we'd already been there fighting Bush's War on Terror for years. That would mean a much greater chance of James getting deployed. (Thankfully his squadron wasn't touched, but they did come close at least once.) To say nothing of our friends in the military, as well.

Those were essentially the only reasons I had for choosing Obama over McCain. Shallow, maybe, but it is what it is.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:46 PM

Id torn. I'd rather not see Obama win, But I'd rather vote for a libertain canditate that I actually agree with almost 100% in then only about 50% in romney.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:30 PM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 30 September 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Is this a serious question?


Yes because what does your taxes from your earnings have to do with you being butthurt about Romney?

You did a not funny non sequitur on why you were "Suffering from a burn heal." You complained about your YTD, which had nothing to do with your previous statement at all. You complained about how the person you wanted to vote for was behind and how "Oh the world is going to end if we have Obama have a second term!"

You said that I suffered from non tangent statements and normally get confused on what I type but that right there didn't make sense at all. I mean Birdie can put from point A to point B without sarcasm but ummm that connection for you didn't go 100% you know? That's why I said "Where are you getting those figures from?"

EDIT: Obama isn't directly involved with all of your taxes from your pay check so you can't blame him only (or say that's the connection, because regardless of who you vote for you will still have to pay taxes and even if Romney did go into office it will take a while before you find something in your favor in terms of your check) and you can change some of the deductions. I have no idea right now but my mom works in taxes and with the city and she works better than most of the professionals (ironically.) Because I worked part time since I was 22 I didn't have as many in my YTD as say you do Mine. Guessing you work full time.

Does that help dear? FYI I work at a convention center with foreign doctors/etc. I run into so many groups of people its not even funny and you be surprised on how someone from Japan or Korea or even Germany can act just as bad as someone from America. So in many ways outside of culture we are not that difference, which is why it erks me that Americans say that Hispanics are lower than low and shouldn't be in this country in political debates.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:12 PM

View PostValkyrie, on 02 October 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Actually, that brings up an interesting point.

Early on in the '08 election campaign, I felt both McCain and Obama looked promising. But my choice became crystal-clear very quickly once two things became apparent - Palin would be McCain's VIP pick, and McCain wanted to keep troops in the Middle East.

Now, Palin has charm. I'll give her that. But the way she presented herself in those crucial weeks was horrific. She made herself look incompetent compared to McCain. And given his age, it wasn't pleasant imagining McCain suddenly passing away and Palin stepping up. She's gotten better over the years, but that run damaged the impression she could have made.

As to the Middle East...well, my take on that stance was more personal than anything. I had a boyfriend in the Air Force at the time (who is now my husband). While McCain is a good man, I was not fond of the idea of keeping so many troops in the Middle East when we'd already been there fighting Bush's War on Terror for years. That would mean a much greater chance of James getting deployed. (Thankfully his squadron wasn't touched, but they did come close at least once.) To say nothing of our friends in the military, as well.

Those were essentially the only reasons I had for choosing Obama over McCain. Shallow, maybe, but it is what it is.


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What we helped spark in the Middle East no price can set for it. We gave an entire civilization a taste of something they have never had before… freedom. Of course not everyone is going to be content with the ideals of freedom… but… the reality is most of the population is begging for it… literally.

Look all around the Middle East. The news degrades it. The news spits on it. They spit on our efforts. They spit on democracy. They spit on our Men and Women in uniform. The fact is bordering countries have seen what has happened in Iraq and desire for the same taste. They want freedom. And many of them will die to get it. Sound familiar? Sounds just like American faith. But people will still spit on them. We hear about how many deaths are happening due to revolts, uprisings, anti-dictatorship militias but… we never hear about how those dictators killed just as many people before any uprisings began.

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