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Romney or Obama 2012!

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:43 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 26 September 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I doubt the race card would be used. I honestly doubt what you say for the liberals. You paint them all as whiny cry babies. I feel both sides will grumble and complain, and eventually will deal with it. Both sides will claim they are moving to Canada. Always with Canada. Lol

Trust me, the race card will be abused beyond believe should Romney win. It's already been used a lot by people of the Democratic party to deflect criticism of Obama. I've lost count of the number of times I have been called racist these past last four years. And all just because I disagree with Obama.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:09 PM

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:41 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 26 September 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I doubt the race card would be used. I honestly doubt what you say for the liberals. You paint them all as whiny cry babies. I feel both sides will grumble and complain, and eventually will deal with it. Both sides will claim they are moving to Canada. Always with Canada. Lol

The race card is and always will be played. It was played when Obama was running, it will be played if he loses. It is always the first thing most liberals jump to. Remember how much hate Bill cosby got from major "civil rights" groups when he told the black community it was their own fault for many of their social problems because of their celebration of the gangsta lifestyle? and how the very next person to speak after him just started playing the "Evil white man" card? It's like their ace in the whole.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:06 PM

A more piratical opinion than mine... not quite as strong or as kind as I would with but I feel this person may understand more than me:

"I believe Romney’s reference to the 47% has been misinterpreted. Romney didn't quite mean to say that 47% of people are dependent on others. The statement goes to say that historically, 47% of the delegates (the actually count to elect the president) will vote liberal regardless of who is running. Where does this % come from? Cities. Cities tend to be dominantly liberal while the rest of the country tends to be conservative.

Romney was trying to say that his campaign goal is to convince that middle group (that middle %) of delegates who will make the difference in the election. His goal is to appeal to them… not the 47% that already have their minds made up.

It’s mind numbing to me that people fear both Obama and Romney and still choose Obama. It’s as if they don’t quite realize that after re-election that radial side of the president emerges. I don’t believe American can afford… another 4 years of Obama.

Under the current circumstances, when considering both Obama and Romney, I believe I would feel more content with two (or three) one term presidents. This way, both their radial sides can be contained.

However, fortunately to my bias opinion, the liberal party does not necessarily have any hopeful candidates brewing for future elections as the conservatives do."

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:56 PM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 26 September 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

However, fortunately to my bias opinion, the liberal party does not necessarily have any hopeful candidates brewing for future elections as the conservatives do."

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Anyways, reading a Yahoo article about the Senate race in Missouri. Akin is still a moron, but Missouri's Democratic party does not look too bright either. Filed an ethics complaint against Akin saying that he illegally changed his position on congressional earmarks to get contributions from the Senate Conservatives Fund.

Since when is it unethical for a politician to change their position?

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:31 PM

Just a interesting question for everyone. Would you vote for someone who would fix your top problems even if it wasn't in your party? Like say your top problems are Immigration, economy, and gay marriage. Even if a cantidate did nothing else you agreed with but did those top things would you still vote for them? Like I totally agreed with Obama getting rid of don't ask don't tell. I also don't have a problem with his stance on gay marriage. However both of those things are waaaaay low on my priotey list of things that need to be done in this country. I'd vote democratic if they were more concernce about fixing our economy. And by fix it I mean acutally bring down the prices instead of just rasing up the pay rate for everyone.

Perhaps I should ask this. Are you voting for Obama because of stances on social issues? And if so why do you put them over more pressing issues?
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:02 AM

I was looking at the WSJ today and thought that very question, DS. There are some encouraging signs: consumer confidence is up, home sales are up. I don't know if Obama has anything to do with that, but--if Obama's reelected, the economy starts humming along again, gas prices drop, and we stomp that grinning idiot in Iran a new orifice, hell, I'll be happy.

I don't hold much loyalty to party. I voted for Bush Sr. in 1992 and was pretty sad when he lost to Bill Clinton. Clinton turned out to be okay, and I voted for him in 1996. Obama can't run again, but if he's reelected and does a good job in his second term, I'm okay with that. Totally okay.

I don't think he can or will, however, so I'm voting for Romney.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:10 AM

View PostXenoBlade, on 26 September 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I doubt the race card would be used. I honestly doubt what you say for the liberals. You paint them all as whiny cry babies. I feel both sides will grumble and complain, and eventually will deal with it. Both sides will claim they are moving to Canada. Always with Canada. Lol


Yeah, no one ever threatens to move to Mexico. (Though Costa Rica I've heard once or twice.) The funny part is, not only is Canada partially socialist, their government right now is more conservative. Liberals would hate that part, while conservatives wouldn't like the socialism aspect. Canada is a nice place though--people are some of the nicest in the world.

BTW, Xeno, nice labeling of the average Republican. But that's fine. If Romney has to hope Cletus can read the voting form, Obama has to hope that enough of his supporters put down the bong long enough to remember what the hell they were doing at this weird place with the curtains and the pencils.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:35 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 27 September 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Yeah, no one ever threatens to move to Mexico. (Though Costa Rica I've heard once or twice.) The funny part is, not only is Canada partially socialist, their government right now is more conservative. Liberals would hate that part, while conservatives wouldn't like the socialism aspect. Canada is a nice place though--people are some of the nicest in the world.

BTW, Xeno, nice labeling of the average Republican. But that's fine. If Romney has to hope Cletus can read the voting form, Obama has to hope that enough of his supporters put down the bong long enough to remember what the hell they were doing at this weird place with the curtains and the pencils.

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I think you missed my point of saying that. It's not so much the average Republican, (I'd paint that picture as the 40 and up crowd living in some random suburban home waving an american flag a lot) The ones I mentioned were the ones who vote Republican no matter what. (So in effect, I was saying what Romney said goes both ways...even tho the ones I mentioned would be in the 47%.)

Come now Sent, id expect you to notice my sarcasm. To add, my annoyance goes both ways. I dislike (rather greatly) the folk who voted for Obama solely because he is black. (Shoulda had herman cain then. It would have confused so many. Some would probably mark both. Lol) vote for his policies, not his skin color. (And those who use the race card ahould be ignored anyway. Unless it is clear cut racism.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:06 AM

View PostXenoBlade, on 27 September 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

I think you missed my point of saying that. It's not so much the average Republican, (I'd paint that picture as the 40 and up crowd living in some random suburban home waving an american flag a lot) The ones I mentioned were the ones who vote Republican no matter what. (So in effect, I was saying what Romney said goes both ways...even tho the ones I mentioned would be in the 47%.)

Come now Sent, id expect you to notice my sarcasm. To add, my annoyance goes both ways. I dislike (rather greatly) the folk who voted for Obama solely because he is black. (Shoulda had herman cain then. It would have confused so many. Some would probably mark both. Lol) vote for his policies, not his skin color. (And those who use the race card ahould be ignored anyway. Unless it is clear cut racism.


Sorry, Xeno. I've been called a toothless, racist, NASCAR-loving, Confederate-flag flying racist on other boards too many times, I guess. (I have almost all my teeth, I'm not a racist, NASCAR sucks, and my family fought for the Union, dammit!) I agree with you on how it goes both ways.

On related news, about the time I see some movement forward in the economy, today the Fed downgraded our GDP growth to something like 1.6% and manufacturing orders (heavy industry) are dropping like a rock. That's not good. One of the precursors to the Depression was the bottom falling out of manufacturing.

It may be that either Obama or Romney might regret winning the election...

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:06 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 26 September 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

Just a interesting question for everyone. Would you vote for someone who would fix your top problems even if it wasn't in your party?


This is why I don't identify with a party. Whoever is going to fix the economy and immigration (and the massive drug cartel deal) should have office in my opinion. Social issues like gay rights and the supposed war on women are not on my priority list, even though I fully support gay rights.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:33 PM

Currently, my only concern is for the economy. Social growth will happen, I have no doubts about that. The economy, however, may not. I feel as though both Obama and Romney are awful, but there is no possible third choice.

I really wish we could start the election process over, with no parties. Our only basis to vote for a candidate would be the person.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:35 PM

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Perhaps I should ask this. Are you voting for Obama because of stances on social issues? And if so why do you put them over more pressing issues?


I'm voting for Obama because of his stance on social issues, but also for economical reasons. People are so focused on how bad the economy is now that they don't realize that it could have been a whole hell of a lot worse. We had a Great Depression on our hands. Obama stopped that with his stimulus.
Not only that but Romney is known for sending jobs overseas. How does that help we the people get jobs? Obama is focused on making jobs here, where we need them. And you know what else? He doesn't need to destroy the Earth to do it.
Romney claims that he can make millions and millions of jobs by drilling off the coasts and setting up more refineries closer to home. The real statistics are only in the thousands. Not even really that high up in the thousands.
There ARE millions of jobs to be made in clean energy, one of Obama's biggest platforms. The only way to get those gas prices down and become independent of foreign fuels? Get rid of the gas.Romney does NOT want to do that, and oil moguls are pouring millions into his campaign to make sure we will always be in a choke hold by fossil fuels.

I feel like all logic points away from Romney, and towards Obama. I feel like Romney is only a threat because the majority of people are panicking that things aren't better, and that somebody new will fix the problem. Anybody will do, as long as it isn't Obama.
MOST people on here seem to have fairly informed reasons for voting one way or the other (judging by how we can actual talk about reasons other than party loyalty), but I think for most people it's a quick choice of "I'm a Republican", "I'm a Democrat", or "I'm really scared so NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY".






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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:31 PM

View PostKii, on 27 September 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

I'm voting for Obama because of his stance on social issues, but also for economical reasons. People are so focused on how bad the economy is now that they don't realize that it could have been a whole hell of a lot worse. We had a Great Depression on our hands. Obama stopped that with his stimulus.
Not only that but Romney is known for sending jobs overseas. How does that help we the people get jobs? Obama is focused on making jobs here, where we need them. And you know what else? He doesn't need to destroy the Earth to do it.
Romney claims that he can make millions and millions of jobs by drilling off the coasts and setting up more refineries closer to home. The real statistics are only in the thousands. Not even really that high up in the thousands.
There ARE millions of jobs to be made in clean energy, one of Obama's biggest platforms. The only way to get those gas prices down and become independent of foreign fuels? Get rid of the gas.Romney does NOT want to do that, and oil moguls are pouring millions into his campaign to make sure we will always be in a choke hold by fossil fuels.

I feel like all logic points away from Romney, and towards Obama. I feel like Romney is only a threat because the majority of people are panicking that things aren't better, and that somebody new will fix the problem. Anybody will do, as long as it isn't Obama.
MOST people on here seem to have fairly informed reasons for voting one way or the other (judging by how we can actual talk about reasons other than party loyalty), but I think for most people it's a quick choice of "I'm a Republican", "I'm a Democrat", or "I'm really scared so NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY".






You mean Obamas failed clean energy polices like solyndra that we had to pay for? I have nothing agaisnt clean energy but if you start taking away things like coal, gas, and oil then you better be preparied to pay for my own consumption of that because I don't have the money to throw everything away that's "dirty" and buy everything that uses clean energy. That's one of the biggist problems I have with clean energy. Not only am I paying for failures like solyndra, they also expect me to just throw down thousands of dollars on a clean energy car out of thin air. You can't replace the energy we are using now without either buying it for everyone or installing something that turns "dirty" energy into clean energy for people like me who can't afford it.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 02:58 AM

A depression? No. What saved the banking system was TARP, which was a bipartisan deal (that Obama did support, and rightly so). We still ended up in a recession, caused by the housing bubble and toxic debt--also a bipartisan problem.

Obama promised that, with the stimulus, unemployment would drop to 5%. Without it, it would rise to 7%. We got the stimulus...and unemployment is now at 8%. A lot of people, including Democrats, warned Obama that the stimulus wouldn't work. He refused to listen. And then, two years later, Obama sort of admitted that, yeah, it didn't work, that he underestimated "how many shovel-ready jobs" there actually were. It was an unnecessary waste. Apparently, if reelected, Obama wants to try it again, or so he says.

Eventually it would be nice to get rid of petroleum. But it didn't happen in four years, and it's not going to happen in another four. It will probably take 40 years. The world's economy runs on oil, and while I applaud Obama for thinking about clean energy, you can't immediately switch over to solar and wind and ditch coal and oil without economic collapse. Cars don't run on solar and wind. Nor do aircraft or trains. As gas prices rise, so does the cost of everything else that uses it--namely the trucks that deliver the food to market. As coal plants shut down, with nothing to replace them that can generate the same kind of power, you get rolling blackouts. Germany tried going all-wind and it just didn't work.

Obama's biggest problem is that he started believing his own press. Instead of improving the economy and reforming health care, he did two things--the stimulus and Obamacare--that made them measurably worse. The stimulus was a waste and we're already starting to feel the bite of Obamacare in rising insurance premiums, which is also impacting small business owners who can't afford to pay their employees' insurance, which in turn is affecting employment. Personal wealth has dropped in the last four years, unemployment has remained stagnant (for young people, it's at 17%), and GDP is basically at a standstill.

The less said about Obama's foreign policy the better. Where he's succeeded is in copying Bush and in taking out Qaddafi.

I'm not one of those people who think that the US can't survive another four years of this. We've been through much worse. However, that doesn't mean I don't want to try someone else. Obama had a term. I don't think he's done a good job. Ergo, I'm voting against him.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 03:14 AM

One huge fault with "job numbers" is how they are always just twisted by anyone who looks at them. Say, I already have a job (which I do). Obama promised a certian amount of jobs "created or saved" by the stimulas. I was working before the stimulas and am still working the same place after the stimulas, so was my job "saved"? How does one who is so far removed from regular working people somehow know which jobs were going to be lost? Also the number of jobs "created" is also silly. If a company fires 10 people because of those people being poor preformers or violating rules nobody notices, but then they turn around and hire 10 new people to fill those positions. Suddenly these are "jobs created". No they are not, the jobs were already there, they just got new people. The amount of people looking for work hasn't changed because those 20 people just switched places from jobless to having a job. Democrates also do not count the amount of people out of work because their jobless benifits/compensation has ran out so it lowers the percent of "current unemployed". Where as the Rebulicans seem to have ANYONE who doesn't have a job whether they are pysically able to work or not put into the "true unemployment" numbers. So trusting either party to tell you what the current job situation is in this country is just lunacy. Best way I see it is look around and see how many people are actually hiring (papers, internet, job fairs, etc.) And how many people around actually have work. That's a much better way then someone in a suit saying he knows the "real number."
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 04:47 AM

I'm going to create an arc reactor and move into Stark Tower. Who's with me?
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 05:29 PM

View PostSteam_Loli216, on 28 September 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

I'm going to create an arc reactor and move into Stark Tower. Who's with me?


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I did post about Romney talking about war in Iran and calling Obama a war munger and it boiled down to Romney saying that yeah he was but I guess everyone ignored it.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 12:40 AM

Hollywood does get tax breaks for its movies, if that's what you mean.

When anti-fracking natural gas movies aren't being funded by Saudi oil sheiks, anyhow.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 10:40 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 29 September 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

Hollywood does get tax breaks for its movies, if that's what you mean.

When anti-fracking natural gas movies aren't being funded by Saudi oil sheiks, anyhow.

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Are you serious? I don't know what to say honestly.

What I mean Sent is what I told Mine; people waste money and we contribute to them because it's entertainment or amusing. Seriously what did the Olsen Twins even do to contribute to this country or movie wise? Did anyone really see LOL the movie?

I personally enjoy people like: http://en.wikipedia....i/Ichiro_Suzuki Those people are entertainment. The people who are using money to OD and smoke crack/party/that one sex tape?. Why not tax those people? We in this country exclude them for the most part.

I find it silly that we dislike minorities or other races going to jail over weed/drugs/etc. but movie stars get off with a slap on the wrist basically. Mind you both are wasting state/country funding but one has enough money to keep on doing it over and over again and the other doesn't and most likely will not help the state nor the country deficit.

Jail/Bond/etc. is costly and poor people do not pay for it so where does it go? Government or other people's pockets. Guessing because it has to come from somewhere, not Tinkerbell's village.

So in order to fix the deficit (perm,) we would have to change how the country thinks in general, which is pretty much impossible right now. So we push it onto a President instead because it's easier I guess.

Me personally, I'm TRYING but there isn't a lot to do without going out of my own pocket to do so and my community is stuck on it's "blame the white man," mentality and "YOLO." So outside of running in office, there isn't a lot and I feel stuck.

Which is why I want to hop countries.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:22 AM

I don't know, Fujoshi--we may disagree on a few things, but a lot you say makes sense. Why not run for office? I've given it some thought myself, though with me it's more time and commitment, as in "I don't have any."

It's one thing that worries me quite a bit about this election (among other things). Whichever party loses, I think they'll find the wrong reasons. If Obama loses, the Democrats will say "It's because he wasn't liberal enough!" or "He lost his appeal!" If Romney loses, the Republicans will definitely say "He wasn't conservative enough!" (Some already are, as if the election was already over. A month can be a long time in an election year. Ask Jimmy Carter.)

So the Dems will nominate someone in 2016 who's more extreme, or the Repubs will do the same. It'll be the people in the middle, the people who feel there is some wiggle room for compromise in the center, that will lose out. Of course, that depends on your definition of "center"...

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 04:59 AM

View PostDark Stranger, on 27 September 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

You mean Obamas failed clean energy polices like solyndra that we had to pay for? I have nothing agaisnt clean energy but if you start taking away things like coal, gas, and oil then you better be preparied to pay for my own consumption of that because I don't have the money to throw everything away that's "dirty" and buy everything that uses clean energy. That's one of the biggist problems I have with clean energy. Not only am I paying for failures like solyndra, they also expect me to just throw down thousands of dollars on a clean energy car out of thin air. You can't replace the energy we are using now without either buying it for everyone or installing something that turns "dirty" energy into clean energy for people like me who can't afford it.

Um. Alright.
Problem with your statements here is that Obama (or anybody else for that matter) never said anything about switching to clean energy cold turkey. It's a transition that needs to be made, though. A transition which is needed if we plan on having this planet as our home for very much longer, relatively speaking. Which of these two candidates is willing to at least TRY to get that ball rolling? Obama or the man who has essentially his entire campaign funded by oil moguls?
Also, I'm not sure why you put quotations around"dirty"....oil and coal ARE dirty sources of energy.
On a personal level, almost everyone needs a car. Remember those old buggy cars from about 80-100 years ago? Does anyone buy those cars now, except as show cars? We've progressed as a society to newer and better things. This is a newer an better thing. Those people who can afford nice, new cars? If the transition to clean fuels is made on new cars only, people will still buy new cars. Eventually, those new cars will end up on used lots. That's where you and I come in! We can afford those used cars! (Or we'll have to find a way to afford them when our old cars crap out.) And in another 50-100 years, the cars we drive now can be a thing of the past, just like those old black buggies that were so popular at one time but so, so impractical now. And expensive. Vintage, you know?
The switch to clean energy goes beyond you and I and our generation. It about having a cleaner Earth for future generations and -fingers crossed- some energy independence. Who wants to pay all this money for foreign oil? I don't. I imagine you don't. But drilling our coasts and national parks is not the answer.Like I said, and many have said before me: The only solution to foreign oil dependence is to get rid of the oil.Not immediately, but eventually. And what better time to start than now?

View Postsentinel28a, on 28 September 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

A depression? No. What saved the banking system was TARP, which was a bipartisan deal (that Obama did support, and rightly so). We still ended up in a recession, caused by the housing bubble and toxic debt--also a bipartisan problem.

Obama promised that, with the stimulus, unemployment would drop to 5%. Without it, it would rise to 7%. We got the stimulus...and unemployment is now at 8%. A lot of people, including Democrats, warned Obama that the stimulus wouldn't work. He refused to listen. And then, two years later, Obama sort of admitted that, yeah, it didn't work, that he underestimated "how many shovel-ready jobs" there actually were. It was an unnecessary waste. Apparently, if reelected, Obama wants to try it again, or so he says.

Eventually it would be nice to get rid of petroleum. But it didn't happen in four years, and it's not going to happen in another four. It will probably take 40 years. The world's economy runs on oil, and while I applaud Obama for thinking about clean energy, you can't immediately switch over to solar and wind and ditch coal and oil without economic collapse. Cars don't run on solar and wind. Nor do aircraft or trains. As gas prices rise, so does the cost of everything else that uses it--namely the trucks that deliver the food to market. As coal plants shut down, with nothing to replace them that can generate the same kind of power, you get rolling blackouts. Germany tried going all-wind and it just didn't work.

Obama's biggest problem is that he started believing his own press. Instead of improving the economy and reforming health care, he did two things--the stimulus and Obamacare--that made them measurably worse. The stimulus was a waste and we're already starting to feel the bite of Obamacare in rising insurance premiums, which is also impacting small business owners who can't afford to pay their employees' insurance, which in turn is affecting employment. Personal wealth has dropped in the last four years, unemployment has remained stagnant (for young people, it's at 17%), and GDP is basically at a standstill.

The less said about Obama's foreign policy the better. Where he's succeeded is in copying Bush and in taking out Qaddafi.

I'm not one of those people who think that the US can't survive another four years of this. We've been through much worse. However, that doesn't mean I don't want to try someone else. Obama had a term. I don't think he's done a good job. Ergo, I'm voting against him.

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As stated above, nobody has ever claimed to even want to drop fossil fuels immediately. And sure, Obama can't eradicate all pollution caused by fossil fuels in four years, or even eight.....but he'll get it started. And right now that's what we need. Not a man who is going to play on the vulnerable (and largely ignorant) citizens' fears about the economy.
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No, but you can drive a car with the electricity generated by windmills, Romney. Knowledge is a beautiful thing.But instead of arming the American people with knowledge, he'd rather suffocate them and play on their fears in this time of economic turmoil.
Right now, we all need fossil fuels. Hell, I will not be able to afford even a hybrid for many years. But eventually we're all going to need new cars. Eventually old buildings will be torn down and put up. And all gigantic factories have undergone some pretty serious changes due to improved health codes and environmental protection laws. Why not electric cars next time around? Or cars that run on alternative fuels? Why not have solar panels on those newly erected buildings? There are towns where most of the buildings and homes are run on energy generated by windmills. Why not make that a commonplace? And those factories? Will one more project to appease these hypothetical laws KILL them and shut them all down? Absolutely not. I'm not sure how pricey you think clean energy is, but really once everything is in place it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper per mile/per month than oil is. Not to mention all those jobs that will be created to erect/maintain this slow change in society.

Not sure where all of the supporters of Romney's plans for more drilling think that money is coming from, if not their taxes. Maybe Romney will foot the bill himself, god knows he probably has the money from outsourcing all of those jobs to Asia.
As for Solyndra, it was a failure. I can't say it wasn't, but it's not an excuse or reason to never try again. And yeah it came out of our tax dollars, but so do a lot of things. A lot of things far less important than giving clean energy a try.
Not to mention that Mitt Romney doesn't give a flying f*** about you or your family. Affordable health care? Nope. Having a say in what you do with your body as a woman? Nope. Tax breaks on the already over-taxed middle class, the backbone of the entire nation? Nope. He never cared before running in the election, and he sure as hell won't care afterward whether he wins or not.



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Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:39 AM

It doesn’t appear like Romney is going to come out on top in this election; however, this is not all bad news. I think it will be great for the masses of sheeple drawn to the suggestions of their favorite stars to see Obama’s ‘radical’ side no longer harnessed for a fear of re-election.

The economy will continue worsen.

The national debt will continue to skyrocket.

All the important ‘social’ issues will still be delayed (can’t force everyone to agree on social issues).

We will probably see another massive oil spill… and instead of actually cleaning it up… well promote green energy (that will fail again after taking billions of our tax money).

We will continue to pull out of the middle eat (with no clear victory over insurgent forces) and blame it on Bush.

We will continue to see ‘stimulus’ that predict that will fail to bring unemployment below 8%.

We will continue to see our nation’s leader bow (perhaps kiss the hand) of other nations around the world.

We will continue to see our nation’s leader attempt to rewrite history with inaccurate information (i.e. Statue of Liberty)>

We will continue to see media 'biasness' sugar coating democratic ideals and demonizing successful progress (i.e. Scott Walker bringing a surplus in jobs to WI).

Maybe Obama will get another Nobel Prize for being the most ineffective president in the history of the United States…

But hey, at least he doesn’t need to worry about ensuring the Olympics take place in Chicago 2016 anymore.

The will be "change." Anti-colonialism ideals.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:45 AM

View Postminecraftsmurf, on 30 September 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

It doesn’t appear like Romney is going to come out on top in this election; however, this is not all bad news. I think it will be great for the masses of sheeple drawn to the suggestions of their favorite stars to see Obama’s ‘radical’ side no longer harnessed for a fear of re-election.

The economy will continue worsen.
If the majority of the house changes, we'll see if it will or not without having conversatives blocking everything.

The national debt will continue to skyrocket.
Because Republicans have a proven track record of reducing the debt. As stated before, Clinton was the last president to have a surplus leaving office.

All the important ‘social’ issues will still be delayed (can’t force everyone to agree on social issues).
Depends on the issue.

We will probably see another massive oil spill… and instead of actually cleaning it up… well promote green energy (that will fail again after taking billions of our tax money).
Sure. If you say so.

We will continue to pull out of the middle eat (with no clear victory over insurgent forces) and blame it on Bush.
1. People blame Bush for going in. Not for "Mission Complete" 2.Majority of Americans want our forces out there. Does the fact that the forces WE TRAINED in Afghanistan attacking us doesn't mean anything to you? No, of course not.

We will continue to see ‘stimulus’ that predict that will fail to bring unemployment below 8%.
Quite sure with Romney in office we'd see it go under 8% Well if you meant China and not America, I think it would fall under 8%

We will continue to see our nation’s leader bow (perhaps kiss the hand) of other nations around the world.
Because it is MUCH better having other nations hating us even more. Are you aware of the amount of people who hate Romney? (Foreign nations) I guess that is what you prefer? Romney was actually not allowed to enter Parliament. Yeah, let's anger one of our biggest allies. Just as long as he doesn't kiss their hand rite?

We will continue to see our nation’s leader attempt to rewrite history with inaccurate information (i.e. Statue of Liberty)>
If you say so.

We will continue to see media 'biasness' sugar coating democratic ideals and demonizing successful progress (i.e. Scott Walker bringing a surplus in jobs to WI).
Really? You know it goes both ways. Bias doesn't only exist in one direction.

Maybe Obama will get another Nobel Prize for being the most ineffective president in the history of the United States…
/Sarcasm

But hey, at least he doesn’t need to worry about ensuring the Olympics take place in Chicago 2016 anymore.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

I doubt we'll see a huge change in Obama should he win a second term. He'll jeopardize Democrat's senate seats up for election in 2014 should he go to far left.

Then again, he'll most likely jeopardize them just by continuing what he has been doing
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:22 PM

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@Sent: Like I said it will boil down to people blaming someone else instead of themselves or their actions.

Because only the gossip and the no lives want to know how many sex tapes whoever and whoever made with a fake version of whoever.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:40 PM

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Great image.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:12 PM

View PostKii, on 30 September 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

Um. Alright.
Problem with your statements here is that Obama (or anybody else for that matter) never said anything about switching to clean energy cold turkey. It's a transition that needs to be made, though. A transition which is needed if we plan on having this planet as our home for very much longer, relatively speaking. Which of these two candidates is willing to at least TRY to get that ball rolling? Obama or the man who has essentially his entire campaign funded by oil moguls?
Also, I'm not sure why you put quotations around"dirty"....oil and coal ARE dirty sources of energy.
On a personal level, almost everyone needs a car. Remember those old buggy cars from about 80-100 years ago? Does anyone buy those cars now, except as show cars? We've progressed as a society to newer and better things. This is a newer an better thing. Those people who can afford nice, new cars? If the transition to clean fuels is made on new cars only, people will still buy new cars. Eventually, those new cars will end up on used lots. That's where you and I come in! We can afford those used cars! (Or we'll have to find a way to afford them when our old cars crap out.) And in another 50-100 years, the cars we drive now can be a thing of the past, just like those old black buggies that were so popular at one time but so, so impractical now. And expensive. Vintage, you know?
The switch to clean energy goes beyond you and I and our generation. It about having a cleaner Earth for future generations and -fingers crossed- some energy independence. Who wants to pay all this money for foreign oil? I don't. I imagine you don't. But drilling our coasts and national parks is not the answer.Like I said, and many have said before me: The only solution to foreign oil dependence is to get rid of the oil.Not immediately, but eventually. And what better time to start than now?

He doesn't have to say anything. It's his actions that speak for him. If you put sactions and block new drilling in america and continue to promote clean energy then he wants to force people to try and throw thier money into clean energy and has no concern for the poor like me who's having more and more trouble keeping gas in my car because it's higher and higher every day. Either they should bit the bullet and just make clean energy cars insanely cheap and not make a profit on it. Or just have a special tax break for people like me to afford one. I currentnly have the newest car anyone in my entire family has ever bought and it's still 6 years old. And I will be paying it off for the next 4 years. If the trend continues I won't be able to afford any kind of clean energy car untill i'm almost 40. (that is unless gas just ballons to 10 bucks a gallon. Something I'm sure obama would love to see). Then theres also the problem with energy at home. I can't afford any alternative engery other then electricity. And that comes from the electric company, and guess where they get their power from? UH OH! *bum dum dum!* COAL! So because i'm poor i'm just "fueling" the dirty energy polics.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:14 PM

I'm trying to fathom how the quote "We need energy independence but drilling in our national forests and oceans isn't the answer" makes sense. Because if we don't drill here, foreign oil is what we have to import.

The other thing is that most of the oil currently being drilled is not in our forests. The Bakken oil formation where North Dakota is turning record profits off of is in a barren scrubland. The Alaska oil is in mostly barren tundra. The environment is not being spoiled. And if we don't drill offshore, other countries will be more than happy to do it themselves.

I'm all for alternative, green energy, but while some of Obama's supporters agree that it can't be done overnight, I wonder if Obama does. His EPA doesn't. They're busy shutting down coal-fired powerplants left and right with nothing to replace them. It's one thing if you have wind or solar power immediately online to take coal-fired plants' place. It's suicidal to just shut down the powerplants with nothing to back them up. Not going to be a problem for me--my power is drawn from hydroelectricity--but I'm wondering how many people will be so enthusiastic about clean energy when they're facing rolling blackouts. (And "clean" coal does exist. Montana's coal is different from "dirty" West Virginia coal, and burns with very little soot. The downside is that it also takes a lot more heat to get it to burn, whereas WV coal doesn't need as much.)

So if coal is out, and oil is out, what's that leave? Hydroelectricity? That's nice and clean, but 1) you need to live by a river and 2) the EPA won't allow large-scale dams. Nuclear? Won't be allowed. Solar and wind are great, but simply can't generate the same amount of power. What's happening is that the EPA, apparently, believes you can run a modern economy built around oil on Middle Ages energy production. You can't.

When it comes to foreign policy, if Romney is hated by other nations--good. He gets it. A lot of nations in the world hate us, period. We exist. That's good enough. The Arabs hate us because we don't subscribe to their version of Islam, but they hate every country that's like that. (Ask the Israelis.) Russia's government hates us because they can't let go of that Russian inferiority complex. And so on.

Obama got to believing all the press heaped on him that he was going to save the world and be the anti-Bush. He's since found that people hate the US because of who we are, not who we elect. What happened in Libya was al-Qaeda; it wasn't because some people saw a video on YouTube. (Five million YouTube videos on cute kittens and 80s music, and you're watching a crappy one that makes fun of Muhammad? Geez. Get a hobby, Middle East.) I would rather have certain regions of the world hating Romney--in other words, their normal default mode--than laughing at Obama.

Because that's exactly what Russia, Iran and China are doing right now. China would be a bit less enthusiastic about the Senkakus if they thought they were risking war with the US. Iran thinks we don't have the guts to take them down when they develop a nuclear weapon, so they merrily proceed. Russia supplies arms to Assad in Syria because they know Obama won't so much as shake a chiding finger at them. Now personally, I do think if push came to shove in Iran or China, Obama would react. But by that time, we're already at war. Bit late. He could prevent war if he showed strength and determination. His UN speech was good but it lacked conviction.

Finally, if Romney doesn't care about me, then I've lost nothing to vote for him. Thanks to Obama, or at the very least his party in Congress, my health insurance premiums are going up, my taxes are going up, and everything else is disappearing. Romney might not care about me, but Obama has proven that he doesn't care about me.

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