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#241 User is offline   Kyuu 

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:44 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 22 September 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

The United States is broke.


The US is not broke. Ever been to a third world country? That's what broke looks like. The US is a rich country, with its money in the wrong places. The wealthy few control most of it and are using it to direct this country of ours. Even worse, they're willing to tank our country, in order to increase their own wealth, at the expense of ours.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:13 PM

View PostKyuu, on 24 September 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

The US is not broke. Ever been to a third world country? That's what broke looks like. The US is a rich country, with its money in the wrong places. The wealthy few control most of it and are using it to direct this country of ours. Even worse, they're willing to tank our country, in order to increase their own wealth, at the expense of ours.

This post perfectly demonstrates the paranoia that has engulfed the Democratic party.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:28 PM

View Postkahad, on 24 September 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

This post perfectly demonstrates the paranoia that has engulfed the Democratic party.


Cept it's not simply paranoia.

If America wasn't more like "So, you ruined your company, what are you going to do? " "Well to start, im going to cut workers and cut benefits. Then im going to take a vacation and increase my wages. I've built up quite a lot in my off shore account. Ha. Ha. Ha. "

But more like "so you ruined your company, what are you going to do? " "Well first ill take pay cuts to try to compensate the loses. Ill start finding ways to lessen costs. If all else fails ill downsize. I want to avoid that at all costs."

Downsizing is a necessary evil at times. Tho the amount American CEOs make compared to the average work is insane. It was in the hundreds. Around 400 times. Leaps and bounds over EVERY other country.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:41 PM

For some reason, humanity likes to create tall tales and legends. We no longer believe in the stories of Greek gods, werewolves, and vampires. So humanity invents more legends that are more believable.

It's a political conspiracy theory. Each side of the political spectrum has them.

For the right:

Obama is a Muslim
Obama is not an American
Obama is secretly taking orders from the Middle East
Obama is the Antichrist

For the left:

Bush was behind 9/11
Rich people don't pay taxes
Big corporation don't pay taxes
Bush is the Antichrist

All of them are stupid and illogical.

Paranoid theories like these are a pet peeve of mine. People who believe these stupid theories; I just can not take them seriously.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:33 PM

I'm voting Green this year. Either Green or Socialist.

(Because I'm one of those scary Anti-American socialists that everyone keeps claiming that Obama is. And this name predates my political leanings - I've used this name online since I was about 14.)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:45 PM

View PostKyuu, on 24 September 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

The US is not broke. Ever been to a third world country? That's what broke looks like. The US is a rich country, with its money in the wrong places. The wealthy few control most of it and are using it to direct this country of ours. Even worse, they're willing to tank our country, in order to increase their own wealth, at the expense of ours.


We are $16 trillion in debt, Kyuu.
When you are spending more money than you take in, you are broke. By the time you look around and go "Holy crap! I live in Zimbabwe!" (or Detroit, your choice) it's a bit late to realize that you've screwed up. Most of us would like to solve the problem before we become a third-world hellhole.

I've said it before, and I guess I have to do so again: you could tax the "rich" (everyone making over $250,000 a year) 100%, take away everything they own, then cut the defense budget to nothing, and you'd still be $14 trillion in the hole, at least. And then what? Take the middle class' stuff too? Now everyone's equally poor, and we still haven't solved the problem.

See what's happening in Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal? No one disputes their financial problems. But they said the same things you did--"We're not broke! We're not a third world country!" No, they're not...yet.

How do you solve the problem? Across the board cuts. To everything. Canada did it back in the mid-1990s, before their debt got out of hand. They're doing pretty well for themselves now. We could do that, but too many people either want the gravy train to continue or have their heads in the sand, screaming "There's nothing wrong!"

I guess the only way people are going to get that this whole redistribution of wealth thing doesn't work is when the wealth being redistributed is your own.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:16 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 24 September 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:


We are $16 trillion in debt, Kyuu.
When you are spending more money than you take in, you are broke. By the time you look around and go "Holy crap! I live in Zimbabwe!" (or Detroit, your choice) it's a bit late to realize that you've screwed up. Most of us would like to solve the problem before we become a third-world hellhole.

I've said it before, and I guess I have to do so again: you could tax the "rich" (everyone making over $250,000 a year) 100%, take away everything they own, then cut the defense budget to nothing, and you'd still be $14 trillion in the hole, at least. And then what? Take the middle class' stuff too? Now everyone's equally poor, and we still haven't solved the problem.

See what's happening in Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal? No one disputes their financial problems. But they said the same things you did--"We're not broke! We're not a third world country!" No, they're not...yet.

How do you solve the problem? Across the board cuts. To everything. Canada did it back in the mid-1990s, before their debt got out of hand. They're doing pretty well for themselves now. We could do that, but too many people either want the gravy train to continue or have their heads in the sand, screaming "There's nothing wrong!"

I guess the only way people are going to get that this whole redistribution of wealth thing doesn't work is when the wealth being redistributed is your own.

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Question. So if taxing the rich ain't the problem, how is taxing the middle class even more better? I didn't watch but apparently Romney said something along the lines that those who make 50,000 should pay more then he?

Seriously?

Italy France and Greece didn't have CEOs making HUNDREDS (times)then their works. And people seem to forget that some people are in debt to us too (tho calling those in won't really do what needs to be done.)
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:41 PM

More taxes is not the answer. Cutting spending is the answer. The rich, and businesses already pay enough taxes, much more than middle class. Obama Care is going to add another tax to the middle class, and we still can't afford to pay for it. Our children's children will still be paying it. That is ridiculous.

We need serious reform. We need to stop the out of control spending. I don't understand why politicians can't do this.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 11:12 PM

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Question. So if taxing the rich ain't the problem, how is taxing the middle class even more better? I didn't watch but apparently Romney said something along the lines that those who make 50,000 should pay more then he?

Seriously?

Italy France and Greece didn't have CEOs making HUNDREDS (times)then their works. And people seem to forget that some people are in debt to us too (tho calling those in won't really do what needs to be done.)

He didn't say it was better. He was making a point that they only want to tax the rest, and it will not complelty fix the problem. You'd also have to start taxing the middle class and every poloticain doesn't want to be responasable for that happining.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 11:40 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 24 September 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

He didn't say it was better. He was making a point that they only want to tax the rest, and it will not complelty fix the problem. You'd also have to start taxing the middle class and every poloticain doesn't want to be responasable for that happining.


And sadly that's probably what is eventually going to happen, no matter who we elect: taxes are going up.

I'm okay with that, but only if my taxes are going to help pay down the deficit or go towards something that makes sense for the government to do. Boondoggles that cost millions or billions doesn't count. Congressional pay raises do not count. Cowboy poetry does not count. Green energy companies that are made of fail do not count. Military spending that we do not need does not count. (Yes, even as a conservative, I really don't think the US Navy needs 12 carriers. 10 will do nicely.)

Above all, the government, not the people, need to cut spending. We're not the problem. They are. And while my ire rests mostly with the Democrats (for their head-in-the-sand, blame-everyone-but-us mentality), there are plenty of Republicans who could stand to be shown the door.

What we need are politicians that will hit the American people between the eyes with facts and say, "This is where we are. This is what we can do." Not vague generalities--something Romney's guilty of--and not platitudes that mean nothing--something Obama's guilty of. About the only guy this cycle who seems like he's willing to actually try this is Ryan.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 11:58 PM

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Italy France and Greece didn't have CEOs making HUNDREDS (times)then their works. And people seem to forget that some people are in debt to us too (tho calling those in won't really do what needs to be done.)


You're right. They just had a population with an average work week of 20-25 hours, retirement at age 50, and a government-subsidized nanny state that took care of everything.

Which was fine, until the money ran out.

Now when Greece tells its own people they're going to have to raise the retirement age to 60, and France tells its workers that, yes, you will be fired when you don't show up for work (until recently, there was a law saying that certain workers could never be fired for any reason)--well, now we have riots in the streets. Greeks demand that someone else start paying for their annual vacations and cradle-to-grave health care. The problem is, no one can afford to do so except Germany--and the Germans are getting a bit tired of busting their butts so the Greeks can sit on theirs. What happens when the Germans say "screw you" (which in German, sounds far more evil than in English) and stop with the handouts? Greece can't exactly invade Germany.

Now fast forward a decade. What happens when Social Security runs out--projected for 2024, but likely sooner with all the Boomers at retirement age? Where do we get the money? Taxes? (Yeah, that'll go over well.) Or does the government just say, "Well, sorry Gen X, you paid into this for 25 years, but you're not gonna see a penny of it." More than likely that's exactly what will happen.

While I'm against "golden parachutes" for failed CEOs, think about this: you will be typing your response to this on a plastic keyboard (made of petroleum products, possibly by Exxon-Mobil), on a computer (made by Dell or Apple), over the internet (provided by an internet company like Optimum). You'll call for a pizza (made by Pizza Hut) on a phone (made by Samsung, with service by Verizon).

And next year, when you go to ACen, you'll stay at a hotel (the Hyatt), eat some fast food (provided by McDonald's), and probably get to ACen via a car (made by a car company like Ford) or airliner (made by Boeing or Airbus, and operated by American or United). You'll buy swag from Funimation or Seven Seas.

And somewhere there is a CEO making thousands or millions of dollars off of you out of every one of these services or purchases. You may curse them, but you won't be doing it without the help of some investor, some "rich guy" somewhere.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:30 AM

And this is why I hide out in the military. I feel taken care of and very secure. My husband and I are probably going to be career Navy/Marines... I don't like the real world hahaha.

Please vote for the right person so my husband doesn't have to go off to war for too long.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:41 AM

Anybody else want to jump on board the 3rd party bandwagon? :)
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:28 AM

View PostSteam_Loli216, on 25 September 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

Please vote for the right person so my husband doesn't have to go off to war for too long.


The way things have been going, it may not matter who is in office.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 09:09 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 24 September 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

You're right. They just had a population with an average work week of 20-25 hours, retirement at age 50, and a government-subsidized nanny state that took care of everything.

Which was fine, until the money ran out.

Now when Greece tells its own people they're going to have to raise the retirement age to 60, and France tells its workers that, yes, you will be fired when you don't show up for work (until recently, there was a law saying that certain workers could never be fired for any reason)--well, now we have riots in the streets. Greeks demand that someone else start paying for their annual vacations and cradle-to-grave health care. The problem is, no one can afford to do so except Germany--and the Germans are getting a bit tired of busting their butts so the Greeks can sit on theirs. What happens when the Germans say "screw you" (which in German, sounds far more evil than in English) and stop with the handouts? Greece can't exactly invade Germany.

Now fast forward a decade. What happens when Social Security runs out--projected for 2024, but likely sooner with all the Boomers at retirement age? Where do we get the money? Taxes? (Yeah, that'll go over well.) Or does the government just say, "Well, sorry Gen X, you paid into this for 25 years, but you're not gonna see a penny of it." More than likely that's exactly what will happen.

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And somewhere there is a CEO making thousands or millions of dollars off of you out of every one of these services or purchases. You may curse them, but you won't be doing it without the help of some investor, some "rich guy" somewhere.

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So i had a long reply and my phone crapped out. Paraphrasing myself, I hate my grammar and auto correct (i hope i was half asleep for grammar) and I don't believe the rich should be taxed more, but a fair amount. I might retype everything when im off work. One thing I do wanna add...if giving tax cuts to the rich was suppose to create jobs, why didnt the Bush cuts do so? They were still in decline when the cuts were made.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 09:49 AM

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So i had a long reply and my phone crapped out. Paraphrasing myself, I hate my grammar and auto correct (i hope i was half asleep for grammar) and I don't believe the rich should be taxed more, but a fair amount. I might retype everything when im off work. One thing I do wanna add...if giving tax cuts to the rich was suppose to create jobs, why didnt the Bush cuts do so? They were still in decline when the cuts were made.

What in your mind is a fair amount? Do you know how much you pay compared to the rich?
My effective tax rate was 12% last year. Take your adjusted gross income from line 37 of your tax return - then look up line 61 (your total tax due). Divide line 61 by line 37 and you have your effective tax rate; compare that to Romney's 15%, or Buffett's 15%, or Obama's 20% effective tax rate (all three are in higher tax brackets than that).

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Our tax system needs reform, but I don't think the answer is to raise taxes for anyone per say, just fix the whole system so everyone pays a fair amount according to their earned income. There is no easy answer, but right now it takes a professional to understand how our tax system works. Why can we make things easier? I'm not saying implement a flat tax, but tax reform is one step we need to make to get our country back on track.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 11:45 AM

I think the government would get more money by reforming the tax code and making it more efficient.

I do not have any problem with rich corporations/people paying a fair amount. My problem is that the government is terribly inefficient and wasteful with the money it gets.

Pensions, benefits, and wages for members of the senate/house/president needs to be slashed or eliminated outright. If your are in these positions, you should be there to serve the American people - not to get rich. If they want to get rich/stay rich, they need to go to the private sector.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 11:58 AM

The tax code won't be reformed until you get a congress/president who will ignore all outside influences to get it done. By reforming the tax code, you could be affecting money and jobs in very substantial amounts. I would surmise that many in high places of power and influence would rather not see their lifestyles altered because of it. Such changes would be political suicide of the highest order and there are too many given the power who are much too afraid to make a real difference.

If you thought Healthcare Reform was monumental, I believe that Tax Reform would trump all.

However, Tax Reform is desperately needed..as well as Immigration Reform...which is another kettle of stinky fish.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:16 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 25 September 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

So i had a long reply and my phone crapped out. Paraphrasing myself, I hate my grammar and auto correct (i hope i was half asleep for grammar) and I don't believe the rich should be taxed more, but a fair amount. I might retype everything when im off work. One thing I do wanna add...if giving tax cuts to the rich was suppose to create jobs, why didnt the Bush cuts do so? They were still in decline when the cuts were made.


The Bush tax cuts were made in 2001 and 2003. They've been extended since. The economy recovered from the post-9/11 recession in late 2002/early 2003, and the government reported record tax revenue in 2006 and 2007. (The post-9/11 recession would've occurred anyway, and had already started due to the dot-com bubble bursting. 9/11 just accelerated it.)

Now you might be asking, "Well, why are we seeing a sluggish recovery?" In 2006 and 2007, the economy was doing pretty well. Good economy+tax revenue=plenty of money for Uncle Sam. Then the housing bubble burst in 2008 and nearly took the banking industry with it. That tipped us into the recession, which ended in 2009--but we haven't really recovered all that well, and the fear is that we're headed for a double-dip recession. The economy is already showing signs of that: manufacturing orders are down, we're not achieving even parity with jobs added vs. jobs lost (though, in fairness, it's starting to look a bit better), and so on. (The Wall Street Journal had a good article about this today.)

I think the best tax reform we need is a flat tax. That's simple, easy to understand, and everybody really does pay their fair share. A flat tax of, say, 2-3% of income (or less) would solve a lot of problems. Then the rich pay a fair share, but no more or less than that. Of course, then the government needs to learn to live inside a budget, just like we do.

Voting for the President who won't send troops abroad is a crapshoot. If you had asked GW Bush in June 2001 if he would be presiding over two wars in the Middle East, he probably would've been horrified at the idea. If Obama is reelected, he will likely finish the troop pullout from Afghanistan, but he might end up having to redeploy them immediately to the Pacific. If Romney's elected, I have a feeling he will also pull the troops out of Afghanistan (Americans are just simply sick of fighting for a people who don't seem to want us there or our help), maybe at a slower rate--but he might also have to send them somewhere else.

Obama and Romney will flay each other in the debates over foreign policy. True, I think that Obama hasn't done well in that regard, though not as bad as some Republicans say. However, I think either guy has no control over Japan and China going at it over the Senkakus, much less the nutbar running Iran. Sometimes it's easy to forget that there's a big wide world out there who doesn't really give a damn about what we think.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:46 PM

I do agree that I wouldn't mind every single person getting taxed and not getting a return if it simply went to paying down the debt. Yes, it wouldn't drop it very fast. But at least it would do something.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:26 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 24 September 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

We are $16 trillion in debt, Kyuu. When you are spending more money than you take in, you are broke. By the time you look around and go "Holy crap! I live in Zimbabwe!" (or Detroit, your choice) it's a bit late to realize that you've screwed up. Most of us would like to solve the problem before we become a third-world hellhole.


And Japan's debt is around 200% of its GDP.

Even with a $16 trillion national debt, we're still holding our own. But I agree; that's a debt that needs to be taken care of. However, do be reminded: no Republican over the past 50 years had ever reduced the national debt. And unfortunately, a lot of money had to be borrowed under Obama to prevent a complete economic collapse. If the rich do not get taxed, they'll spend that money to build their fortifications; so that we can't easily get at them, when the economy does completely collapse.

sentinel28a said:

The Bush tax cuts were made in 2001 and 2003. They've been extended since. The economy recovered from the post-9/11 recession in late 2002/early 2003, and the government reported record tax revenue in 2006 and 2007. (The post-9/11 recession would've occurred anyway, and had already started due to the dot-com bubble bursting. 9/11 just accelerated it.)


Back then, the housing bubble was starting, which propped everything up after the dot-com's faltered. I remember reading Time magazine back then - thinking - WTF are these people doing buying houses just to make money off of them?

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If Romney's elected, I have a feeling he will also pull the troops out of Afghanistan (Americans are just simply sick of fighting for a people who don't seem to want us there or our help), maybe at a slower rate--but he might also have to send them somewhere else.


Romney's itching for a new war against Iran. Either that, or he's bluffing just to show a more aggressive handle on foreign policy - which mind you - he already screwed up on with his visits to London and Israel. Face it, he cannot handle foreign policy. Foreign news sources already brand him as a joke.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:10 PM

View PostKyuu, on 25 September 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Romney's itching for a new war against Iran. Either that, or he's bluffing just to show a more aggressive handle on foreign policy - which mind you - he already screwed up on with his visits to London and Israel. Face it, he cannot handle foreign policy. Foreign news sources already brand him as a joke.

I don't understand where this statement is coming from. How is Romney "itching for a war against Iran"? I've heard this several times, but I don't see any quotes or sources that back this up. I've looked, but all I can find right now is quotes like this: "So if Governor Romney is suggesting that we should start another war, he should say so" - Obama ... so when did Romney imply that he wants to go to war? What interview where? I need a source!

What does Obama think about war...

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"Let me be clear: America wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy and we believe that there is still time and space to do so. But that time is not unlimited."

"Make no mistake: a nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained," said Obama in his speech to the General Assembly Tuesday. "It would threaten the elimination of Israel, the security of Gulf nations, and the stability of the global economy. It risks triggering a nuclear arms race in the region and the unraveling of the non-proliferation treaty. That is why a coalition of countries is holding the Iranian government accountable. And that is why the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

Is Obama "itching" to go to war against Iran? No I don't think so, but it is imperative that we side with Israel and defend our only true ally in the middle east when/if crap gets real. If Iran attacks Israel we're going into WW3, and if we're not fighting on Israel's side then we will fall with their enemies.

As implied by others here, no president in their right mind would want to go to war. Who would want that burden and hardship? Do you know how many letters of condolences you have to sign?
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:34 PM

Sorry for the back-to-back posts!

View PostKyuu, on 25 September 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Even with a $16 trillion national debt, we're still holding our own. But I agree; that's a debt that needs to be taken care of. However, do be reminded: no Republican over the past 50 years had ever reduced the national debt. And unfortunately, a lot of money had to be borrowed under Obama to prevent a complete economic collapse. If the rich do not get taxed, they'll spend that money to build their fortifications; so that we can't easily get at them, when the economy does completely collapse.

If the rich do not get taxed? Um what? The rich get taxed. Have you seen how much Obama's or Romney's effective tax rate was? Did you miss my quotes and articles above? And what exactly are "their fortifications"? Their investments(which might include providing capital for start-up businesses)? Their businesses(which may provide jobs for Americans)? You do know that the rich are taxed on their foreign assets too, right?

"The Romneys reported $3.5 million in foreign income out of $13.7 million in 2011 adjusted gross income, the benchmark figure used to figure out taxes owed. That compares with $1.5 million in foreign income on 2010 adjusted gross income exceeding $21.6 million, according to the Romneys' tax returns for 2010 and 2011. That means the Romneys last year derived just over a quarter of their income from non-U.S. investments, such as funds and entities in Bermuda, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Ireland, and the Cayman and British Virgin Islands, the returns showed."
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View PostKyuu, on 25 September 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Back then, the housing bubble was starting, which propped everything up after the dot-com's faltered. I remember reading Time magazine back then - thinking - WTF are these people doing buying houses just to make money off of them?

Are you talking about this bubble? http://dailycaller.c...ican-americans/
"Meanwhile, the president has blamed the housing bubble on supposed GOP deregulation, even though President George W. Bush expanded the regulation-expanding, anti-redlining policies established by progressives during Bill Clinton’s presidency."

It wasn't flipping houses that caused the crash, it was the policies that Bill Clinton pushed through during his presidency. Read up about HUD.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 10:18 PM

I think we pretty much all have to vote for Romney now.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:16 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 25 September 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

I think we pretty much all have to vote for Romney now.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:12 AM

So say Obama gets elected (which I am predicting at this point since he losing Florida and Ohio and he kinda needs at least one of these two states), will a bulk of the country go bat**** crazy? Maybe I should buy stock in firearm companies since they should start selling like gangbusters, moreso than now.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:24 AM

To reply to earlier question, I feel a flat tax is fair. Taxing the rich less is on the faith of them creating jobs and spending. It doesn't happen. That's all im going to say about that. And I doubt that Rondo. People would be unhappy, but people usually are hot air here. Probably the "im moving to Canada boohoo! (Which actually can be considered partly socialist ...so.....) or just complaining. Texas with the "we are leaving threat " Sure you will. Let's see how well off you'll be. Rage should have happened when bush won without the popular vote (it happened before waaay back in the day) so stupid. So Romney said some will always vote Democrat and he is sooo true...same vice versa. Let's not forget the forever Republican hick voters. Don't worry Romney. Ol Jethro and Cletus with his wife cousin mary-sue bob will back you up. They are in that 47 %.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 12:54 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 26 September 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

And I doubt that Rondo.


I'm gonna leave up as a possibly, stronger than during that Bush election. They way I see it, this country is way more polarized than I can remember and with economic instability deeply entrenched, it seems ripe for a little chaos within our own borders.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:12 PM

View Postrondo, on 26 September 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

So say Obama gets elected (which I am predicting at this point since he losing Florida and Ohio and he kinda needs at least one of these two states), will a bulk of the country go bat**** crazy? Maybe I should buy stock in firearm companies since they should start selling like gangbusters, moreso than now.

Will part of the county go crazy? It depends on who wins.

Obama wins:

I doubt much will happen. A few ultra-right wing groups/people might throw a fit.

Romney wins:

Riots in every major city (and college city) in IL. Morons rioted down here back in '08 when Obama won. Riots in most liberal states. Expect the Democratic party to be complaining about how "racist" America is for the next four years.

Not sure why. Back during the '06 and '08 elections, most Republicans I knew where unhappy, but never let it progress beyond that. When Bush won back in '04, the liberals down here were vicious.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:34 PM

View Postkahad, on 26 September 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Will part of the county go crazy? It depends on who wins.

Obama wins:

I doubt much will happen. A few ultra-right wing groups/people might throw a fit.

Romney wins:

Riots in every major city (and college city) in IL. Morons rioted down here back in '08 win Obama won. Riots in most liberal states. Expect the Democratic party to be complaining about how "racist" America is for the next four years.

Not sure why. Back during the '06 and '08 elections, most Republicans I knew where unhappy, but never let it progress beyond that. When Bush won back in '04, the liberals down here were vicious.


I doubt the race card would be used. I honestly doubt what you say for the liberals. You paint them all as whiny cry babies. I feel both sides will grumble and complain, and eventually will deal with it. Both sides will claim they are moving to Canada. Always with Canada. Lol
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