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#61 User is offline   sentinel28a 

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 08:57 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 01 July 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

I fail to see, (what I bolded) victimizes anyone. And that was the my response to what you posted. What I posted was sarcasm, as in what lesson is there to learn from that? What lesson to we learn from the better off people during this day? The thought of being the best you can be has never changed. Don't put every person who wants a free ride in with people who want the best for themselves. You like to always label things "liberal this liberal that" in a negative way, but sounds like a very conservative way of thinking. Just blaming liberals and how they want to make everyone lazy and blah blah blah. (Just for the record, I'm neither side myself with liberal or conservative. I generally keep my head out of politics. Tho I can say I generally agree with liberal ideas, and hate how unless you have money, you don't matter views with the conservatives.

I'll address that with a very simplistic approach later. Spare me the snide remarks mmk?


Actually, Xeno--in my experience, some liberals want to just yell "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!" and act like that settles the matter.

Which proves us both right. There are idiots on both ideological sides who just yell about how it's someone's fault and then don't provide a solution. Yeah, there are things that are Bush's fault. There's things that are Obama's fault. 200 years ago, they were screaming about how the War of 1812 was Madison's fault. It's human nature to blame somebody for something that wasn't one person's fault.

On the subject of taxes, I'm okay with paying them...I just wish they were spent better. I'm okay with it being spent to buy a F-22. I'm okay with it being spent to pay Obama's salary. I'm not okay with it being spent so he and other politicos can go play golf, or waste millions on a study about hog lard use in Arkansas.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:24 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 01 July 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Actually, Xeno--in my experience, some liberals want to just yell "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!" and act like that settles the matter.


In my experience I see more people blaming Obama for everything, including World wars and Tsunamis, than Bush. I think they blame Bush due to his term and how they seem to ignore that Obama came after his term. So to counter it they say "ITS BUSH'S FAULT."

EDIT: Count how many times Obama's name comes up in Yahoo news comments, even if the subject isn't related to politics or him at all.

People rather blame "something," than nothing in order to make themselves feel good and ignore the big picture. Let it be Bush, Obama, Republicans, Democrats, Middle East, Hispanics, Blacks, Native Americans, Minorities, Caucasian people, etc. etc. etc. I feel it's the people's fault why we have problems. We the people vote these people in office because of being republican or democrat or what may have you, instead of what they are and then get mad when we are over taxed or lose money.

I mean seriously...one of the candidates who was running for president wanted to "ban porn online or porn in general,"

To be honest unless you are the country president or treasury, we people can't do anything directly with taxes or how the money is spend, except for our own, and even then it's impossible because you have to pay something for the rest of your life that you don't want. Even the rich people do so, but it's a different state of living.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:01 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 01 July 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Actually, Xeno--in my experience, some liberals want to just yell "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!" and act like that settles the matter.

Which proves us both right. There are idiots on both ideological sides who just yell about how it's someone's fault and then don't provide a solution. Yeah, there are things that are Bush's fault. There's things that are Obama's fault. 200 years ago, they were screaming about how the War of 1812 was Madison's fault. It's human nature to blame somebody for something that wasn't one person's fault.

On the subject of taxes, I'm okay with paying them...I just wish they were spent better. I'm okay with it being spent to buy a F-22. I'm okay with it being spent to pay Obama's salary. I'm not okay with it being spent so he and other politicos can go play golf, or waste millions on a study about hog lard use in Arkansas.

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True. Both sides love scapegoating. Just blame the opposite's party member. Kinda another reason i avoid politics. Stuf like that is so petty. (tho if it was Andrew Jackson who people would scapegoat, then i wouldn't complain. Lol now he was bad lol)
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:19 AM

Replied to the wrong person

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:24 AM

View PostDark Stranger, on 01 July 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

See. We need a sarcasim button. lol


So, this is in regards to what I said earlier.

I believe that there should be a flat tax rate, no matter your income.

You said something about an expensive watch. Okay. So person with the 1 million dollar per year income buys a 10000 dollar watch. He pays 1000 in taxes.

Now we have person 2. Person 2 makes 100000 dollars a year. He buys the watch for 10000 dollars. He pays 1000 in taxes.

Where is the issue? Why should be person that makes more money pay less tax? He's not being punished for making more. He's being treated exactly the same way as everyone else.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:25 AM

View PostJeff, on 05 July 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

So, this is in regards to what I said earlier.

I believe that there should be a flat tax rate, no matter your income.

You said something about an expensive watch. Okay. So person with the 1 million dollar per year income buys a 10000 dollar watch. He pays 1000 in taxes.

Now we have person 2. Person 2 makes 100000 dollars a year. He buys the watch for 10000 dollars. He pays 1000 in taxes.

Where is the issue? Why should be person that makes more money pay less tax? He's not being punished for making more. He's being treated exactly the same way as everyone else.


I think you meant the car one. Where someone buys one for a higher price, and gets taxed more, and one who buys for lower gets taxed less.

See I was gonna ask what exactly was he meaning with that, since that IS a flat tax. They get taxed the same amount, but one just costs more. I left alone because I wasn't sure if it was sarcasm, or that was his point. More or less I was confused a bit at the wording
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 01:59 PM

View PostThe Fujoshi, on 02 July 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

In my experience I see more people blaming Obama for everything, including World wars and Tsunamis, than Bush. I think they blame Bush due to his term and how they seem to ignore that Obama came after his term. So to counter it they say "ITS BUSH'S FAULT."

EDIT: Count how many times Obama's name comes up in Yahoo news comments, even if the subject isn't related to politics or him at all.


That depends entirely on what comment board you are looking at. Also, most people on boards such as Yahoo are there for the sake of being moronic and confrontational. It is easy to pick on Obama now because there is plenty to argue about that relates to him and his policies and there are hordes of people who will defend him till they're red in the face...but I am diverging from the topic a bit here.

Taxes before you're born, while you're alive, and after you're dead. Taxes should be simple to understand, paid by most who are able, and spent wisely.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:08 PM

"But in the world nothing can be said to be certain except death and taxes."

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 09:41 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 02 July 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

True. Both sides love scapegoating. Just blame the opposite's party member. Kinda another reason i avoid politics. Stuf like that is so petty. (tho if it was Andrew Jackson who people would scapegoat, then i wouldn't complain. Lol now he was bad lol)


In Andy Jackson's defense, the guy was carrying around a couple of pounds of lead in his body and treating it with opium. That would make anyone a bit ornery.

He did stave off the Civil War for 30 years, but there's not too many excuses for the Trail of Tears.

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