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NYC plan to ban large sugary beverages What are your thoughts on this?

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 06:24 PM

View Postlinlindesu, on 14 June 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

I'm sure the buttery spread is also very high in nutritional value. And the more salt the better I always say!


funny, every movie theater i've ever been to can make it with light oil and no other salt/butter toppings.

or, you know, just eat it at home.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:21 PM

View PostThe Fujoshi, on 14 June 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

@Dark again: Depends. In my city it was always high but I live in the city with the highest tax next to NYC.

You see Dark and sentinel, we are the minorities. A majority of people are really that dumb. Just like anything in the world you have the smart people and the dumb people. It's really hard to see the good/smart people over a whole lot of dumb people, which is why this law is being set up. It's to protect the really dumb people for acting well...dumber.

Case in point: Hetalia fans. Now most people only see the dumb people from the fandom as well as the fact that it's a racist, stereotype, misrepresentation of history. Evidence: The thread that was here that I argued about with for a while towards another former Hetalia fan as well as some views from horror stories.

There are smart fans and actual facts in said series but you wouldn't know unless you seen it and most people already have the mentality of not watching it because of said for-mention statement.

Same with this regarding pop/movie popcorn. The minute something happens, even if its their own devices, people want to sue about it. I can imaging someone sueing pop companies (or probably have already,) because pop killed their daughter or pop making them fat or movie popcorn. Putting a label on popcorn won't help because as I said before, it's not really a regulated product. It's there to be there, which is why it's under fire.

You remember that article I put up? About soda killing this one girl? http://news.yahoo.co...-161323721.html another case that people are that stupid.

The issue with someone getting sick over an oversalted burger, instead of doing the smart thing to do and take it back for another one, shows how stupid people are not only in this country, but the world around. Humans are naturally pack animals and would rather go with someone within their own opinion or level of stupidity, instead of being on their own. So even though the government is stupid, unless the good or smart people do something about it, people are going to be constantly stupid and/or lead on by stupid people.

The government itself is by the people; we are the ones that put those people into offices and pay their bills. If you don't want them then don't vote for them or find a way to get the out of your offices. It's not like it's China and we don't have a say so, so many of the issues are because of the people themselves as well as the problems in the government. Don't complain now that it reaches your state; pay attention to the news and watch congress among other things. It's like saying "eh there is a wild fire next state over it doesn't concern me," then complain when it reaches your town.

But like has been been said, everything, even water can kill you if take too much of it. Should we regulate that too? If we really want the stupidity to end. Let the stupid people do what they want. Pretty sure either they will learn their lesson or just die. It's not our responsablity to take care of adults. Nor is it the goverments. It's the goverments job to protect their countrymen from 1. doing harm to others. and 2. Getting harmed from other countries. and of course other duties like getting things in order to let their country prosper. If we had people in power that truly knew how America funtioned and worked we wouldn't have stupid people winning lawsuits over food companies or busnisess putting labels on everything to warn of the obvious because they are all common sense that all adults should be aware of. And if they would have thrown out stupid lawsuits and legualtions like this as soon as they came up. But they didn't and that's why we are in the mess we are in.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:44 PM

View Postmyrla, on 14 June 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

funny, every movie theater i've ever been to can make it with light oil and no other salt/butter toppings.

or, you know, just eat it at home.


Well that's the most logical choice but you know we are talking about movie popcorn so you can't like, sneak it in the show without the people raising amok. Also we are looking at the fact that people do want to go to the movies, and probably will not go home over a tube of popcorn.

@Dark: But that's the problem; stupid people put stupid people in the offices. Like I wonder how did some of these people get into office; I didn't vote for them :/

Actually water is regulated, abit horribly. They are blaming the government now for not really doing enough for it and why kids are drinking growth hormones, etc. in the tap water. You can't have both. You can't complain about the government not doing its job and then complain when it does do it's job.

That's another issue; due to the government system we have we have to worry about everyone else. It's not a "selfish mentality," world, even though people think and believe so. You have to depend on people for everything, including stupid people. Stupid people are the reason why some people can't get jobs, why people refuse to go to certain parts of a city, etc. etc. Sure we are all adults but adults are after all "older children." Some people never change or get out of their mentality so they need a push. Common sense isn't born within people.

We are not a socialist government, well not yet.

Oh yeah lawsuits happen and go through because of money and stupid people. Money runs everything. I can go on about that with evidence on minorities with no money go to jail for silly lawsuits/crimes but that's another thread.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:10 PM

View Postmyrla, on 14 June 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

funny, every movie theater i've ever been to can make it with light oil and no other salt/butter toppings.

or, you know, just eat it at home.

....can you remind the guy next to me with the 5 jumbo sized ones next time I go to a Star Wars release? The man could use less salt as the very least...

Yes, they usually make it plain to begin with but most customers drown the nutritional value out with butter flavored syrup they pump over and over.

and eating it at home has nothing to do with the regulation being considered. The ban would be only on popcorn sold in cinemas.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:23 PM

Which brings us back to the original question: who decides?

Just about every terror organization in history has started with the premise "We're smarter than they are." Karl Marx held that the masses (the proletariat) were too damn stupid to start the revolution on their own, so they'd better be led by the nose by a small elite intelligentsia (like Marx himself). Lenin read that, said "Right on, dude!" and founded the Soviet Union. Which only killed about 30 million people--of their own citizens.

Not to Godwin the thread (again), but Hitler was absolutely convinced, up until the moment he ate a gun, that he was smarter than everyone else in the world. At first he thought the Germans were the master race, but in the end, he thought that even they were too dumb for his "genius." We don't even need to talk about how many people the Nazis killed because they thought they were the smartest guys in the room.

Japan thought they were better and smarter than China. Luckily, Axis Powers Hetalia spares us the sight of China mourning over the death of 40 million Chinese. Nor does it show us Mao's great and brilliant idea of a Great Leap Forward, which only killed 15 million more.

Sense a trend?

Now Bloomberg's not a Stalin. But when we start thinking "Oh, we're smarter than everyone else, and we need to force them to be what we want them to for their own good"...well, that usually ends in firing squads and gas chambers. Granted, there's a huge step from not allowing Big Gulps to Auschwitz, but the worst thing people can do is assume they're smarter than everyone else. We can safely assume we are smarter than the people on World's Dumbest Criminals, but that's because we know they're stupid. We watch them get punished for being stupid in painful ways.

Maybe that's part of the problem. The generations before us fell off their bikes and got boo-boos and skinned knees. Hell, some of them broke bones. But no one screamed "LAWSUIT!" because some kid tried to ride his bike backwards down a hill. They laughed at the kid, he spent a couple of weeks with a cast, and he learned from his mistake. Nowadays, with our lawsuit culture, our "every snowflake is unique" child-raising methods, and too-big-to-fail mentality, nobody learns anything about pain and overcoming adversity.

If you had told my grandpa that he couldn't have his Big Gulp, he would've laughed and then told you where to shove it, sideways. He lived to be 75. My grandma's pushing 90. Somehow they survived their childhood (which included the Great Depression) and their early adult years (World War II) without having a nanny state holding their hands.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:40 PM

View Postsentinel28a, on 14 June 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Which brings us back to the original question: who decides?

Just about every terror organization in history has started with the premise "We're smarter than they are." Karl Marx held that the masses (the proletariat) were too damn stupid to start the revolution on their own, so they'd better be led by the nose by a small elite intelligentsia (like Marx himself). Lenin read that, said "Right on, dude!" and founded the Soviet Union. Which only killed about 30 million people--of their own citizens.

Not to Godwin the thread (again), but Hitler was absolutely convinced, up until the moment he ate a gun, that he was smarter than everyone else in the world. At first he thought the Germans were the master race, but in the end, he thought that even they were too dumb for his "genius." We don't even need to talk about how many people the Nazis killed because they thought they were the smartest guys in the room.

Japan thought they were better and smarter than China. Luckily, Axis Powers Hetalia spares us the sight of China mourning over the death of 40 million Chinese. Nor does it show us Mao's great and brilliant idea of a Great Leap Forward, which only killed 15 million more.

Sense a trend?

Now Bloomberg's not a Stalin. But when we start thinking "Oh, we're smarter than everyone else, and we need to force them to be what we want them to for their own good"...well, that usually ends in firing squads and gas chambers. Granted, there's a huge step from not allowing Big Gulps to Auschwitz, but the worst thing people can do is assume they're smarter than everyone else. We can safely assume we are smarter than the people on World's Dumbest Criminals, but that's because we know they're stupid. We watch them get punished for being stupid in painful ways.

Maybe that's part of the problem. The generations before us fell off their bikes and got boo-boos and skinned knees. Hell, some of them broke bones. But no one screamed "LAWSUIT!" because some kid tried to ride his bike backwards down a hill. They laughed at the kid, he spent a couple of weeks with a cast, and he learned from his mistake. Nowadays, with our lawsuit culture, our "every snowflake is unique" child-raising methods, and too-big-to-fail mentality, nobody learns anything about pain and overcoming adversity.

If you had told my grandpa that he couldn't have his Big Gulp, he would've laughed and then told you where to shove it, sideways. He lived to be 75. My grandma's pushing 90. Somehow they survived their childhood (which included the Great Depression) and their early adult years (World War II) without having a nanny state holding their hands.

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but I still don't think anyone that feels passionately about subjects like these should reach out to an anime board. write to people in politics, if they care about public opinion or keeping their office they will listen. I recommend change.org that allows petitions to reach thousands of caring , political people. Write a thread afterwards.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:37 AM

View PostThe Fujoshi, on 14 June 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:


Oh yeah lawsuits happen and go through because of money and stupid people. Money runs everything. I can go on about that with evidence on minorities with no money go to jail for silly lawsuits/crimes but that's another thread.

If that is the truth how did McD's (who obviously have much more money then person suing them) lose? If money does indeed run everything shouldn't companies always win lawsuits instead of lose?
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:10 AM

I hate to have to agree with this statement, but I too think america is becoming too stupid to take care of itself. And in truth, it's not really our fault. A long time ago humans ate to survive, and they ate everything they could possibly get their hands on because they never knew when or if their next meal was coming. So we are programmed to EATEATEAT whenever food is available in case it's not available tomorrow. But now food being available tomorrow isn't really a problem (for those lower middle class and above), but we're still programmed with the EATEATEAT mentality. Sadly, lots of people can't break that mentality, and hence all the fat people in America.

I really don't like the idea of the government telling me what to do, but there are others who truly need those limitations set up. And how does the government differentiate the two? Have us all tested and put a special sticker on our driver's licences saying we're responsible enough to eat what we want? Not going to happen, so it's all or nothing. I repeat, I don't like the idea of the government telling me what I can and can't have, but I think that might be something a good chunk of America needs, and if I'm putting my wants above their needs that's just pretty selfish.

In short, America as a whole is getting pretty darn stupid and could use some limitations, though those of us who aren't complete idiots aren't going to like it.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:53 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 15 June 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

If that is the truth how did McD's (who obviously have much more money then person suing them) lose? If money does indeed run everything shouldn't companies always win lawsuits instead of lose?


In some cases, it's a lot easier to just settle out of court than it is to actually do battle in front of a judge. (I work in a collections law firm, and I worked at Great America back when they still had the Cajun Cliffhanger...and when it was finally taken down.) In fact, some companies will actually offer settlements fairly quickly - one, because it'll calm the plaintiff down that much faster; two, it can be a hassle (and costly) to send representatives and/or attorneys to court however many times to fight over something like spilled hot coffee, when the judge might end up sympathizing with the plaintiff anyway; and three, it's a lot easier to settle, correct the mistake (no matter whose fault it really was) with some internal work and PR, and be done with it.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:54 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 15 June 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

If that is the truth how did McD's (who obviously have much more money then person suing them) lose? If money does indeed run everything shouldn't companies always win lawsuits instead of lose?


because the common people are still the money. People spend millions of fast food and a few nasty reviews, a lawsuit, a petition , any issue had with a business can make everyone stop giving it money.
Like if Mcdoubles were made of... let's say 3rd world babies? ( that offends everyone, right?) or even if a few people banded together just to make that statement, it can cost a business a good chunk of revenue.

Or on a smaller scale, every happy guest will tell 3 friends. Every pissed off guest tells 10.

that's a lot of money for something even as big as McDonald's to lose.

So as Valkyrie said, pay them off some how and everything goes back to hunky dory.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:27 PM

But that line of logic is now in part of the problem. Instead of sticking to your guns and to what is common sense and right, it opened the gateway for crazy suits, costing compaines and tax payers billions, stupid lawers and judges, and it only enbolded the intitilment mentaility.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:44 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 15 June 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

But that line of logic is now in part of the problem. Instead of sticking to your guns and to what is common sense and right, it opened the gateway for crazy suits, costing compaines and tax payers billions, stupid lawers and judges, and it only enbolded the intitilment mentaility.

you asked why "little people" could win against mcDonald's. that is your answer.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:46 PM

View Postlinlindesu, on 15 June 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

you asked why "little people" could win against mcDonald's. that is your answer.

True. And your right about what happened. Doens't mean it was the right course of action though.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 04:24 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 15 June 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

True. And your right about what happened. Doens't mean it was the right course of action though.


Democracy in action~!

Mind you this happens the most in America :/ you normally don't hear really crazy lawsuits in places like...Iran or China.

EDIT: Doesn't mean they don't but when I hear something insane or out there, it's most of the time here in my home country.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 05:32 PM

View PostThe Fujoshi, on 18 June 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

Democracy in action~!

Mind you this happens the most in America :/ you normally don't hear really crazy lawsuits in places like...Iran or China.

EDIT: Doesn't mean they don't but when I hear something insane or out there, it's most of the time here in my home country.

I think it has less to do with democracy then it has to do with common sense and not backing down in the face of *gasp* offending someone.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:24 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 18 June 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

I think it has less to do with democracy then it has to do with common sense and not backing down in the face of *gasp* offending someone.


But that's with every country, regardless of culture. People have pride regardless. I think it's the fact that our system has it so that the little people can sue and do whatever they want; too many options.

You never hear about this in Japan, Russia, or the middle east due to their culture as well as their laws. It's a double edged sword. Although I hear that women are treated better in Nordic countries than here...

EDIT: I think that's another reason why this is an issue. We are so used to do whatever we want that when someone or something interferes with it, BAM ANGRY mode. In most countries you can't even drink whatever you want or eat whatever you want so it's a blessing that here in America you can. So what if you can't drink pop or eat movie popcorn? It could be worse! You could not be able to drink anything with sugar period.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:03 PM

View PostThe Fujoshi, on 18 June 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

But that's with every country, regardless of culture. People have pride regardless. I think it's the fact that our system has it so that the little people can sue and do whatever they want; too many options.

You never hear about this in Japan, Russia, or the middle east due to their culture as well as their laws. It's a double edged sword. Although I hear that women are treated better in Nordic countries than here...

EDIT: I think that's another reason why this is an issue. We are so used to do whatever we want that when someone or something interferes with it, BAM ANGRY mode. In most countries you can't even drink whatever you want or eat whatever you want so it's a blessing that here in America you can. So what if you can't drink pop or eat movie popcorn? It could be worse! You could not be able to drink anything with sugar period.

Yes, In some countries they can't do or say or eat what they want because they are under the thumb of a dictator. Which is way they want to leave there and come to place that offers freedom. Now we are trying to be just like the countires people left in the first place.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:38 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 18 June 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Yes, In some countries they can't do or say or eat what they want because they are under the thumb of a dictator. Which is way they want to leave there and come to place that offers freedom. Now we are trying to be just like the countires people left in the first place.


Not really. It depends on the country. Places like Norway and Iceland don't have this issue.

Or Canada.

Also off topic; America is changing their immigration laws, so soon people won't be doing that either.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:17 PM

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Democracy in action~!

Mind you this happens the most in America :/ you normally don't hear really crazy lawsuits in places like...Iran or China.

EDIT: Doesn't mean they don't but when I hear something insane or out there, it's most of the time here in my home country.


This thread is a bit tl;dr for me at the moment. However, there's a lot of crazy lawsuits in our country because we really need tort reform something fierce.

Also I wanted to remind that we are not a democracy.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:17 AM

View PostThe Fujoshi, on 18 June 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

Not really. It depends on the country. Places like Norway and Iceland don't have this issue.

Or Canada.

Also off topic; America is changing their immigration laws, so soon people won't be doing that either.

Oh yeah, that mess. Let's go against congress, the constitution, and the american people and just open the door for some racial votes. ugh. That's a whole different debate in it ofitself.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:45 AM

I don't really see all of the outrage over a city simply trying to, in its collective opinion, help its citizens.
If NYC wants to ban all of that crap, good for them. Maybe it'll work. Does anybody really need THAT much cola or what have you?I think most people would find that they really don't, and 16oz of fluid is enough.
I don't really understand the whole not restricting diet sodas and what have you, though. That s**t is just as bad for you, as far as nutrition is concerned.
I get it, this is America and we should be able to drink as much damn cola as we please until we pass out. But it's less of a fascist regime and more of a desperate act done by a city who honestly gives a damn about its people, and their health....even if the people themselves don't.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:49 PM

View PostKii, on 19 June 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I don't really see all of the outrage over a city simply trying to, in its collective opinion, help its citizens.
If NYC wants to ban all of that crap, good for them. Maybe it'll work. Does anybody really need THAT much cola or what have you?I think most people would find that they really don't, and 16oz of fluid is enough.
I don't really understand the whole not restricting diet sodas and what have you, though. That s**t is just as bad for you, as far as nutrition is concerned.
I get it, this is America and we should be able to drink as much damn cola as we please until we pass out. But it's less of a fascist regime and more of a desperate act done by a city who honestly gives a damn about its people, and their health....even if the people themselves don't.


Most people feel in this thread for anti law is what you just said (the latter,) and that if they want something to drink later on they have every right to get something bigger than a 16 oz. But I agree with you.

@Alkaren Hyralt: What the heck are we then? The last time I watched the world news congress and officials were saying how they wanted to bring "American democracy to the middle east." And I always thought that if you can vote and have free mind to speak you were more of a democracy rather than a socialist government, like China.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:02 PM

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Most people feel in this thread for anti law is what you just said (the latter,) and that if they want something to drink later on they have every right to get something bigger than a 16 oz. But I agree with you.

@Alkaren Hyralt: What the heck are we then? The last time I watched the world news congress and officials were saying how they wanted to bring "American democracy to the middle east." And I always thought that if you can vote and have free mind to speak you were more of a democracy rather than a socialist government, like China.



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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:11 PM

View PostKii, on 19 June 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I don't really see all of the outrage over a city simply trying to, in its collective opinion, help its citizens.
If NYC wants to ban all of that crap, good for them. Maybe it'll work. Does anybody really need THAT much cola or what have you?I think most people would find that they really don't, and 16oz of fluid is enough.
I don't really understand the whole not restricting diet sodas and what have you, though. That s**t is just as bad for you, as far as nutrition is concerned.
I get it, this is America and we should be able to drink as much damn cola as we please until we pass out. But it's less of a fascist regime and more of a desperate act done by a city who honestly gives a damn about its people, and their health....even if the people themselves don't.

Yes, that smoke screen. "We're only doing what's best for you. We care. We know better then you." It's BS. Karl Marx thought he knew what was better for everyone too.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 10:22 AM

So California is now jumping on the band wagon too. Can't be out crazyed by new york I guess.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:38 AM

California doesn't surprise me, actually. That state is well-known for having some of the healthiest eaters in the country. So this kind of ban would make a good deal of sense for them.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 04:02 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 19 June 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Yes, that smoke screen. "We're only doing what's best for you. We care. We know better then you." It's BS. Karl Marx thought he knew what was better for everyone too.


Except that facts prove they know better.

The average american probably doesn't even know how many calories are in a drink.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 05:54 PM

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Except that facts prove they know better.

The average american probably doesn't even know how many calories are in a drink.

I'm willing to bet that the average politician does not know, either.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 08:26 PM

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Except that facts prove they know better.

The average american probably doesn't even know how many calories are in a drink.

It doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is if I a person wants to eat or drink something that's not completly heatlhy for them they can. That's America. If a person wants someone else to tell them what to eat? Go to a different country.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:54 PM

View PostDark Stranger, on 19 June 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Yes, that smoke screen. "We're only doing what's best for you. We care. We know better then you." It's BS. Karl Marx thought he knew what was better for everyone too.


The primary difference here being that communism strives to control things that are actually important and social class and New York is simply getting rid of something you don't need.
America takes plenty of rights away from its citizens at various times. We compromise because we either are ignorant or understand it's for our safety.Wire-tapping? Keeps away the terrorists. Cameras everywhere, watching your every move? Well now those devilish speeders will get that ticket they deserve! Tracking your online usage without permission? Well....we like Facebook, so we'll let it slide. But now I can't get a barrel of cola in two states?
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