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Is there a sticky we could have that is "buyer/roommate beware?" Mods please look at this.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:36 PM

I had no idea where to put this so I decided to just place this in chit chat.

I couldn't go to Acen 2012 due to health issues so I gave my room as well as my roommates (in a sense,) to someone else to take over.

Now I just receive word that my roommate had issues with said person who took over my hotel room; not only did she not pay for the room, but she also scammed my roommates in a sense. Because of this, one of the roommates lost their apartment. I'm trying to gather more information on this because I just checked my inbox and they emailed me like...today.

Is there anyway for Acen forums to have like a sticky of people who you shouldn't be roommates with or something about a sticky of usernames that you should watch out in general; due to nasty behavior/what may have you?

Also could we have a sticky on how to spot bootlegs as well in the dealer room? It seems to be that this is also a major issue.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 01:14 PM

I kind of like this idea, especially if they have been known/reported to get too drunk for their own good (especially during the day), not pay up their part, or just being too rude/crazy that makes it so their roommates can barely sleep without keeping one eye open.

A sticky with the usernames probably might not be the best idea though, because they could make a new account... and I think you can even change your screen name on here. It should be a list kept with the mods, and always updated every month. Generally the mods that keep up with the forums on a regular basis, especially closer to the convention when people have to give up rooms or ask for new roommates. I don't know if ALL of them do or not, but I have seen a lot post here which I think is pretty cool. They should be able to check the topics and look out for certain usernames of people posting that people shouldn't room with.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 01:35 PM

where in theory that sounds like a good idea i could see such a system getting abused with one sided stories. =/
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 01:54 PM

View PostLordCanti, on 11 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

where in theory that sounds like a good idea i could see such a system getting abused with one sided stories. =/


Well that's the thing; we need a mod or someone who isn't bias to post the people in question and finalize it.

Example: Say someone scammed a person out of a whole hotel room fee and then didn't go to Acen at all. Let's say said person vanished off the face of the earth and came back a year later and did it again, assuming that everyone forgotten about it. Now a person like this needs to be brought to light or else they are going to keep on doing it and "getting free rides.

Now the sticky in question would have said person, the people who's stories match up, as well as the mod approving it. They would have to really use their power in this matter. If usernames can not be used then put examples of "forms of writing, emails etc." a lot of people make new usernames on this site but they normally do not change their email or the email that they signed up with.

For the bootlegs, same. There would be a sticky that shows what are real figmas vs. bootlegs and make buyers beware, so that if they spot one in the dealer room they can report it to said mod.

The issue is I have no idea how this will be put to the people outside of the forums.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:36 PM

I can write up a bootleg guide for figures in general (figma, nendoroid, nendo petit, one coin, etc), but that is something that REALLY varies from figure to figure and I wouldn't want to be held accountable for someone buying something that is not legit. :/ If you're going to spend the money, do your research peeps! (or just preorder everything like me lol~)
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:58 PM

While I am a fan of "buyer beware" threads, I really can see this going bad fast, especially once people ask for names.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:04 PM

Caveat emptor.

The reservation holder accepts the risks that people will not pay up in full. The way around this is the reservation holder asks for payment in full in exchange for room key and this is done at the check-in desk. Some hotels will do 3 or 4 separate bills if you ask politely.

The roommates accept the risks that the reservation holder may attempt to break fire code by having to many occupants in the room or not show up at all. The risk here is you could be out your part of the room cost.

All parties accept the risk that someone in the group may over-party and cause the hotel to kick everyone out of the room.

The way around all this is to room with people you know or get a room on your own. You are not forced to room with someone.

All this said, the room I was in this year required payment in exchange for room key which worked for us. We complied with fire code regulations, and had a great time.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:09 PM

Also, verifying that said person doesn't reappear under a different user name, IPs match up, etc. It's a LOT more work than you'd realize, because slander laws can come into play. Say someone stole someone else's account/ID and tried to use it under their name instead?

Gotta go with caveat emptor on this one too.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:32 PM

I would be down with the buyer beware but I as well would be scared about the roommate beware thing since it can get out of hand. I do love the dealer thing though. Maybe also saying who you should tell if you see a bootleg and how to approach the seller perhaps if you suspect something is bootlegged etc too might help as well. Like a guide like what some have said already. ^_^
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 11:14 PM

While I'm fine with the idea, yeah I can see it getting out of hand. Maybe there can be something for example where you or said person you gave room to goes on here and says "Person B gave me trouble because (insert reasons)". Then if that person can see it (or you can invite them to give their side of the story) then let other people decide? It would be a little more fair, but I don't know.

Also with all respect to you kind people who like random roommates, that's why I don't do it. I hear too many negative stories of random roommates and I only tend to room with people who I know closely (family and friends) or if a family member or friend recommends a person they're really close with, then maybe I'll go in on it. Other than that, it's really risky in my personal opinion. I'm not saying that will happen with everyone, but that's just me. DTA = Don't Trust Anybody. :thumbup:

Even so, I can share stories of friends I've had over a year or much much longer where even they didn't turn out to be the roommates I was hoping for. This year I was with good roommates but there was at least one situation where my head turned into a volcano, lol. All is forgiven on my end though. :)
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:01 AM

View PostSTVO, on 11 May 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

While I'm fine with the idea, yeah I can see it getting out of hand. Maybe there can be something for example where you or said person you gave room to goes on here and says "Person B gave me trouble because (insert reasons)". Then if that person can see it (or you can invite them to give their side of the story) then let other people decide? It would be a little more fair, but I don't know.

Also with all respect to you kind people who like random roommates, that's why I don't do it. I hear too many negative stories of random roommates and I only tend to room with people who I know closely (family and friends) or if a family member or friend recommends a person they're really close with, then maybe I'll go in on it. Other than that, it's really risky in my personal opinion. I'm not saying that will happen with everyone, but that's just me. DTA = Don't Trust Anybody. :thumbup:

Even so, I can share stories of friends I've had over a year or much much longer where even they didn't turn out to be the roommates I was hoping for. This year I was with good roommates but there was at least one situation where my head turned into a volcano, lol. All is forgiven on my end though. :)


This. Thats why im VERY strict who i room with. I don't trust people easily, and especially when it deals with money.

Just a quick simple thing tho. People can always write a contract and have all the parties sign. Sounds lame to do for acen, but you gotta cover yourself. They actually had an acen case on a tv court show. It was talked about on here. Lol Stuff in writing...is always good to have.

But anywho, this thread, as many others have said, can turn bad...very soon. (Canti would be the first to say it tho. Lol rather funny. Lol) while it is good intentioned, this can become slander topic real fast, and then there are more problems. common sense and contracts go a long way if you don't mind random folk. (or collect money before hand. if you employ random folk, gotta do SOMETHING to protect yourself.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:51 AM

I would be all for this, but.... Do keep in mind that I'm NOT a moderator on these forums "officially", my Administrator position is used almost solely for maintenance reasons. My opinion in this regard should be counted as an attendee at best.

* I agree with the thread idea, but perhaps we should just make a general announcement, something along the lines of "Please beware of what roommates you choose".
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:19 PM

View PostJguy, on 12 May 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

I would be all for this, but.... Do keep in mind that I'm NOT a moderator on these forums "officially", my Administrator position is used almost solely for maintenance reasons. My opinion in this regard should be counted as an attendee at best.

* I agree with the thread idea, but perhaps we should just make a general announcement, something along the lines of "Please beware of what roommates you choose".


This is actually good!

I read the whole thread and I do agree with all of you with the he said she said mess. The issue is trying to find some kind of middle ground in terms of the roommate situation. Example: Lets say you end up with roommates, you call or skype and work everything out and they don't pay right at the day of Acen or the day before. So now not only is there a scene (probably in the lobby with you arguing,) but you are out of the room cost and you have to pay it up front. Let's say everyone who agreed with you does this. Now instead of paying like 400 dollars for a room you have to pay a good 600 dollars.

Also it's really hard to ask for money weeks before Acen when you live in like, different states. Not everyone is from chicago. The only countermeasure is: You either have to bite the bullet and pay for the whole thing yourself, know friends (mind you everyone doesn't and they are just as bad,) or just risk it.

I personally have never been scammed and I can image nobody has either but it doesn't mean that it won't in the future.

Question is: How can we fix this? I gave the suggestion about the thread but it was put down so what else can we, on the forums, really do about this to prevent it from happening or happening again in the future? I'm all for action rather than complaining!

So like a guideline or something would be nice for the non veterans of Acen. I'm trying to work with you people! I want to cover everyone's behinds.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:54 PM

Paypal, get a deposit/money up front. Paypal has a card you can get that is linked to your account and you can spend directly out of it. That way, if someone doesn't pay by the week of the convention, you know you need to find someone and fast. Also, buyer protection ie: i paid for my room, but then no one let me in, or something.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:35 PM

View PostXenoBlade, on 12 May 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

But anywho, this thread, as many others have said, can turn bad...very soon. (Canti would be the first to say it tho. Lol rather funny. Lol) while it is good intentioned, this can become slander topic real fast, and then there are more problems. common sense and contracts go a long way if you don't mind random folk. (or collect money before hand. if you employ random folk, gotta do SOMETHING to protect yourself.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:58 PM

There's not really excuse for not being able to send the money in advance. Even if you don't have a Paypal account (Very reliable, in my experience,) or a parent with a checking account, all you have to do is take the cash to any grocery store, convenience store, currency exchange or Post Office and get a Money Order. They're usually a dollar or less, and more secure than checks, because if it gets lost or stolen in the mail, you get your money back (SAVE YOUR RECEIPT,) and 100% secure for the recipient since it's been paid for in advance. They can cash it right away or deposit it without having to wait for it to clear.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:15 PM

Post Office Money Orders are the best, because you can cash them anywhere- bank, grocery store, even a Post Office. AND they are the only ones that are actually 100% refundable if they don't make it there (you have to save your receipt, but small price to pay). This comes from spending 14+ years on eBay and selling on many various sites. Many grocery store ones will not have the flexibility of a Post Office one.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:46 PM

View PostWingy Baby, on 11 May 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

While I am a fan of "buyer beware" threads, I really can see this going bad fast, especially once people ask for names.
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If you have a police report filed, that would generally be consider solid evidence of a problem, though, no? That, I imagine, would be something worth noting and warning over.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:07 PM

View Postmyrla, on 12 May 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

Post Office Money Orders are the best, because you can cash them anywhere- bank, grocery store, even a Post Office. AND they are the only ones that are actually 100% refundable if they don't make it there (you have to save your receipt, but small price to pay). This comes from spending 14+ years on eBay and selling on many various sites. Many grocery store ones will not have the flexibility of a Post Office one.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:11 PM

View Postchainedbyroses, on 12 May 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

If you have a police report filed, that would generally be consider solid evidence of a problem, though, no? That, I imagine, would be something worth noting and warning over.

Not really a Police report just means that you complained to the police, not that the complaint isn't a load of crap.
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Posted 13 May 2012 - 11:04 AM

View Postjsieczkar, on 12 May 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Not really a Police report just means that you complained to the police, not that the complaint isn't a load of crap.



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Posted 13 May 2012 - 11:30 AM

Like others have said, my opinion is if you don't pay the money in advance (especially if you are a complete stranger!) then not only would I say no to you staying in my room, I'd say OH HELL NO!!! There's checks, PayPal, money orders, Western Union, etc. If you're feeling generous, maybe tell them "Okay in the coming X amount of months, you can pay me $30/month until the con. If you miss one payment, I'll give you your
Money back and you'll have to find a new room."

Honestly, unless it is friends or family (and even sometimes you have to lay it down to them) you should not go "that easy" on people making payments for a room, especially if they're out of state or don't live near you. It may sound a little harsh but honestly, it's really not fair for you have to pay someone else's share or make another person pay for that person.

Fuj, I wish you all the luck in getting your situation resolved. I'm not telling anyone what to do with their lives, but a suggestion to those who may consider random roommates, try to get a hotel months in advance (like when it opens.) That way if you try to recruit random roommates early, you can get to know them early on and get a feel of whether they're trustworthy or not.

For me, I only recruit people I've known for a few months only. :P
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:57 AM

View Postjsieczkar, on 12 May 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Not really a Police report just means that you complained to the police, not that the complaint isn't a load of crap.

Fair enough, though I would imagine, however, any police reports followed up with court action/small claims court action would be notable. (Especially considering going to such extremes over a falsified/non-existant claim would not only be stupid, but would land you in a ton of legal trouble at that. Falsified police reports and lying under oath/in court are both crimes themselves.) Just a thought/note, as I am dealing with one of these situations myself at the moment and have little hope for getting back what is now gone.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:09 AM

View Postchainedbyroses, on 14 May 2012 - 12:57 AM, said:

Fair enough, though I would imagine, however, any police reports followed up with court action/small claims court action would be notable. (Especially considering going to such extremes over a falsified/non-existant claim would not only be stupid, but would land you in a ton of legal trouble at that. Falsified police reports and lying under oath/in court are both crimes themselves.) Just a thought/note, as I am dealing with one of these situations myself at the moment and have little hope for getting back what is now gone.


good luck for your case, but it's better to know the truth of it then having lofty expectations. Your hope is to go to small claims and hope the judge finds your side right.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:26 AM

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Fuj, I wish you all the luck in getting your situation resolved. I'm not telling anyone what to do with their lives, but a suggestion to those who may consider random roommates, try to get a hotel months in advance (like when it opens.) That way if you try to recruit random roommates early, you can get to know them early on and get a feel of whether they're trustworthy or not.

For me, I only recruit people I've known for a few months only. :P


Thanks; I'll let the person know about this. ^.^

Is there anyway we can get a guide like in the roommate zone, such as a sticky, with information regarding your ideas? Like the Paypal, etc. since everyone who signs up only for roommates don't know about this. I didn't know about it myself when I first joined Acen forums! It might be a better idea than the roommate beward?


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:03 PM

The way I usually do it is, you give me one nights deposit upfront, the second by x date and the rest by x date, which is always by the time the hotel takes money out of my account a month before.. If you don't pay by those dates, I find another roomie then give your money back. I was a bit lax with this rule with someone, and it came back and haunted me. I tell people upfront what I am expecting and requiring out of roomates, though next year, there will be a "everyone, including and esspecially males, must wear pajama pants to bed. Underware is not an acceptable form of sleepwear when other people are expected to sleep in the same bed/room as you." There was a bit of a man panties thing going on in my room this year... not again. <_< Also a, just because there are girls rooming with you, doesn't mean we want to hook up with you statement. *sigh*

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:10 PM

View PostKungPowKirby, on 14 May 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

The way I usually do it is, you give me one nights deposit upfront, the second by x date and the rest by x date, which is always by the time the hotel takes money out of my account a month before.. If you don't pay by those dates, I find another roomie then give your money back. I was a bit lax with this rule with someone, and it came back and haunted me. I tell people upfront what I am expecting and requiring out of roomates, though next year, there will be a "everyone, including and esspecially males, must wear pajama pants to bed. Underware is not an acceptable form of sleepwear when other people are expected to sleep in the same bed/room as you." There was a bit of a man panties thing going on in my room this year... not again. <_< Also a, just because there are girls rooming with you, doesn't mean we want to hook up with you statement. *sigh*

On the topic of payment, I always request postal service money orders.



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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:43 AM

Just a quick note to those saying people should pay ahead of time...what if the room holder doesn't show up? Then you're left sitting in the hotel trying to figure out what the heck you're going to do, and you're out X amount of money. (sure, you can sue for it later, but that won't go through instantly) Just saying, it's not only the extra people rooming with you that can't be trusted. I might agree with some kind of a down payment though. (Say...15% of their total bill?) That way if they're a no-show, the person who holds the room has some money to fall back on (down payment non-refundable unless told they wouldn't be able to attend x amount of time before con) and if the person holding the room doesn't show, the other attendee will only be out a small amount of money rather than a larger sum.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:55 AM

Just a quick note to those saying people should pay ahead of time...what if the room holder doesn't show up?

Paypal -> file complaint immediately. Takes a few days.

But then again, I'm the kind of person that will not stay with anyone she doesn't know, and prefers to make all the reservations herself.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:31 AM

View PostWashu Takahashi, on 15 May 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

Just a quick note to those saying people should pay ahead of time...what if the room holder doesn't show up? Then you're left sitting in the hotel trying to figure out what the heck you're going to do, and you're out X amount of money. (sure, you can sue for it later, but that won't go through instantly) Just saying, it's not only the extra people rooming with you that can't be trusted. I might agree with some kind of a down payment though. (Say...15% of their total bill?) That way if they're a no-show, the person who holds the room has some money to fall back on (down payment non-refundable unless told they wouldn't be able to attend x amount of time before con) and if the person holding the room doesn't show, the other attendee will only be out a small amount of money rather than a larger sum.I do completely agree with the idea of giving a room key in exchange for money though. Honestly, I don't see why people would wait until the end of Acen to get that...no money up front, no room key, makes sense to me.


Dang, you're making my philosophy (well a stolen philosophy from someone else) of DTA (Don't Trust Anybody) hold more true to word. :D

I guess if you're going to try the random roommate thing, then perhaps 3-4 payments in 3-4 months would be the best scenario. That way the room holder doesn't get screwed if he is being an honest person and trying to make sure people don't go in the room and screw that person over. All while in your court if you trust Madam Cleo or whoever the scammer turns out to be on the other end you only get ripped off a portion and not a full amount. Like Xeno said, if it's going to be a large sum of money, get a contract (though when I took contract law in college, the only time a contract is really required for services and such I believe is at $500.) Also like myrla said, try doing payments via Pal Pal or maybe even check because giving cash will be a lot harder to trace while PayPal you can file a complaint.


View Postmyrla, on 15 May 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

Just a quick note to those saying people should pay ahead of time...what if the room holder doesn't show up? Paypal -> file complaint immediately. Takes a few days.But then again, I'm the kind of person that will not stay with anyone she doesn't know, and prefers to make all the reservations herself.


That's how I am too! Unless its a pretty good friend/family member, I don't like to go in on people's rooms I don't trust or for that matter have people I don't know for at least a few months (in person, not just online, lol) or more before I get buddy buddy and have them stay with me. Again, I don't mean to come off as a mean guy but if there's one thing my parents taught me well on, it's handling money in situations like this. I'm not perfect though, even a guy who I consider a close friend caused us both to lose some money in a hotel scenario. He knew if he didn't make things right to an extent it might have ended a friendship (as dumb as it may sound, I likely would have remained friends with him following but I would have needed a long time away from him, lol.) Anyway, when I was out a room at the Hyatt, the only person I trusted who was staying at Hyatt had a room with 10-12 people already (which hurt her in the end) so I was like "Okay, I'm getting my own place" because every other person I asked to be roomies with either couldn't afford the place, only wanted to do "I'll stay this night and you can try getting another friend to stay others." Sorry, doesn't work that way, lol.

Anyway I'm babbling, just be careful with these random roommate situations. Honestly while buying a video game or movie on eBay or Craig's List can be risky too, I'd trust that anyday over recruiting random roommates on the web.
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