Masquerade 2012
#31
Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:25 PM
- Hinata Hideki, "Angel Beats!" and Fujisaki Yusuke ('Bossun'), "SKET Dance"
ACen 2012:
- Kihara Atsuro, "Devil Survivor"
#32
Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:48 PM
I intended to wait a week before posting but... http://www.acen.org/...tume-events-dh/
I intend to be back next year. We WILL get this fixed. It doesn't help this year, I can never fix this year, but dang it -- we will get this fixed or my badge will be laying on the stage.
Jon
Masquerade DH
2009 -
#33
Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:10 AM
Please do not blame the Soap Bubble for this. Yes, they benefited from this situation. However, there is a bit of information that people are missing.
Before the fire alarm happened, the SoapBubble promoter was on his cell phone, telling all his DJs to delay, that a several time crunch had happened. He was rolling with the punches and adapted. I was backstage, fully dressed up, ready to do yet another role within the Masquerade when I saw and heard him doing this. For those that do not know me, I use to be the one that ran it before Jon took over for me.
Ultimately, it was the fire alarm that was the lynch pin for this.
I may be lying but those of you who have had dealings with me know that I try to be a plain dealing person, not given to falsehoods. I am too uncomplicated for that. Jon and Jessie can freely and willing verify this.
As a member of the Midwest Animation Promotion Society(MAPS), I will do my damnedest to find a solution and help with the recovery of this entire situation.
Jason Jensen
jasonj.maps@acen.org
#34
Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:27 AM
Jazhed508, on 01 May 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:
Please do not blame the Soap Bubble for this. Yes, they benefited from this situation. However, there is a bit of information that people are missing.
Before the fire alarm happened, the SoapBubble promoter was on his cell phone, telling all his DJs to delay, that a several time crunch had happened. He was rolling with the punches and adapted. I was backstage, fully dressed up, ready to do yet another role within the Masquerade when I saw and heard him doing this. For those that do not know me, I use to be the one that ran it before Jon took over for me.
Ultimately, it was the fire alarm that was the lynch pin for this.
I may be lying but those of you who have had dealings with me know that I try to be a plain dealing person, not given to falsehoods. I am too uncomplicated for that. Jon and Jessie can freely and willing verify this.
As a member of the Midwest Animation Promotion Society(MAPS), I will do my damnedest to find a solution and help with the recovery of this entire situation.
Jason Jensen
jasonj.maps@acen.org
You're right. I don't blame the Soap Bubble. I blame the rest of the poor decisions made by staff earlier in the day and the day before that lead to the delays.
So, if you want to find a solution, simple make sure there is no concerts getting a 12 song encore, etc etc etc.
And then I add blame to the Soap Bubble for being an event at an anime con, that, I feel has to much importance being put on it. You guys have to start thinking that for every person that goes to the Soap Bubble there is someone that doesn't.
I seriously feel like there has been this trend of "Let's have bands and dances and then fill in the gaps with programming that really don't matter." instead of "Let's have awesome all around programming that is cooly done and well set up, and lets include a concert and a dance to round it out."
I've been reading through the forums and I've read a lot more bad things about "all" the dances this year. And one or two concerts are fine, but there was seven. Not to mention 14 DJs, and about 23 regular type guest, and then 7 other musical guests. (I'll note that that number is not technically right since I am just counting entries in the program book, not actually people.)
So about half of the guest at an anime convention where musical guest. To me, something seems wrong with that. It's like going into jewelry store and finding half of what the store is, is shoes. Yes they are both accessories, but I wasn't shoe shopping. I go to Acen for anime, just like I go to Wizard & C2e2 for comics and geek culture, and I go to horror cons for Horror things.
And when y'all cut the masquerade, it was like "Why am I here?" or when you have lines for hours, only to have the program run two hours late.
The staff and those who run the con to have the ability to tell guest "NO." and they need to wrap up. I'm pretty sure you have contracts with the guest correct? Word those contracts correctly, pull up your big boy and big girl pants, and run this con. Acen used to get respect, but with year passing year I feel like it's becoming more and more of a joke. And when this happened with the masquerade, a lot of people feel that way now too.
Re-evaluate what you want "The Midwest Anime and Manga Convention" to actually be please. Because if it continues to be like this, I seriously suggest just taking anime and manga out of the title.
This post has been edited by flyingcabbit: 01 May 2012 - 12:50 AM
#35
Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:35 AM
Jazhed508, on 01 May 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:
Please do not blame the Soap Bubble for this. Yes, they benefited from this situation. However, there is a bit of information that people are missing.
Before the fire alarm happened, the SoapBubble promoter was on his cell phone, telling all his DJs to delay, that a several time crunch had happened. He was rolling with the punches and adapted. I was backstage, fully dressed up, ready to do yet another role within the Masquerade when I saw and heard him doing this. For those that do not know me, I use to be the one that ran it before Jon took over for me.
Ultimately, it was the fire alarm that was the lynch pin for this.
I may be lying but those of you who have had dealings with me know that I try to be a plain dealing person, not given to falsehoods. I am too uncomplicated for that. Jon and Jessie can freely and willing verify this.
As a member of the Midwest Animation Promotion Society(MAPS), I will do my damnedest to find a solution and help with the recovery of this entire situation.
Jason Jensen
jasonj.maps@acen.org
Why would you cancel the Masquerade and then extend the Soap Bubble? I fail to see the logic. The Masquerade got the short end of the stick. The Masquerade should take priority and should have continued instead of cancelling it to make sure the Soap Bubble starts on time. I am severely disappointed in this decision. A couple of my friends worked extremely hard for months on their costumes and were very upset that they could not perform their skit because of this not-so-smart decision. If I were in the masquerade, I definitely would not come back.
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Foolish Humon, on 13 June 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:
#36
Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:38 AM
Lina, on 01 May 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:
The decision came from the ACen level management, not the MAPS Board.
I too was suppose to be in the Masquerade so I can relate REALLY well with the upset feelings. I had put in an excessive amount of time and labor into my costume.
All I can do is promise to do my best that this never happens again.
Jason - Preparing for a revolution.
#37
Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:38 AM
sabre, on 30 April 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:
I intended to wait a week before posting but... http://www.acen.org/...tume-events-dh/
I intend to be back next year. We WILL get this fixed. It doesn't help this year, I can never fix this year, but dang it -- we will get this fixed or my badge will be laying on the stage.
Jon
Masquerade DH
2009 -
Thank you so much for posting this earlier than you had intended. My greatest respect for the masquerade staff. No issue with rave fans and DJs. Nothing against the band that played 18 songs set. The problem is with the people managing the room resource and time limits. They let the ball drop and then made a poor, poor decision.
#38
Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:28 AM
Jazhed508, on 01 May 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:
I too was suppose to be in the Masquerade so I can relate REALLY well with the upset feelings. I had put in an excessive amount of time and labor into my costume.
All I can do is promise to do my best that this never happens again.
Jason - Preparing for a revolution.
One has to mention the Soap Bubble because no matter what the reasons for it were, the masquerade was cut short to allow for the Soap Bubble. For something so important as the masquerade, I honestly find that difficult to not take as a personal attack on the cosplayers who came to this anime/manga convention. No one is blaming the people running the Soap Bubble, of course. Everyone understands they had just as little decision as those running the masquerade. But as it stands, I don't see any other reason for why the masquerade should have been cancelled other than to allow the Soap Bubble to run on time, and there aren't really any fancy words for it. It just isn't fair.
- Hinata Hideki, "Angel Beats!" and Fujisaki Yusuke ('Bossun'), "SKET Dance"
ACen 2012:
- Kihara Atsuro, "Devil Survivor"
#39
Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:31 AM
Jadante, on 30 April 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:
That would actually be Jon, the man who previews all the skits ALL of Friday and Saturday and gives each skit tips on how to do better for the show. He's the one that lines everyone up, gets everyone ready for the show, and prepares the show MONTHS ahead of time.
Also, there was no fire in the Hyatt. Some idiot decided it would be really smart to trigger a fire alarm.
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#40
Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:21 PM
Kasemei, on 01 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:
Well, shoot. That would explain quite a bit. He looked familiar to me, but I'm absolutely terrible with names. I felt terrible for him. I wished I could have done something to help him out, but... well, I'm not going to re-hash what I said, but he certainly deserves better than what he got.
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#41
Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:32 PM
#42
Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:44 PM
This post has been edited by ATICE: 01 May 2012 - 02:44 PM
#43
Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:59 PM
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As part of its mission, ACen brings fans together with guests from the Japanese and US sectors of the anime and manga industry, as well as gaming, cinema, and Asian culture personalities. The event includes a huge exhibit hall, a massive video game room, concerts, dances, educational panels and workshops, premiere screenings, autograph sessions, 24-hour video rooms, tabletop gaming and much, much more!
Be honest with yourselves here ACEN and admit you screwed up. Admit that you took priority of a non-anime event because thats where you believe you're more likely to line your pockets. Its a shame nobody will step up and say "Yeah, I made the decision and I screwed up." At the heart of this problem, you had to make a decision. I understand you can't move the rave to a different room and had to make cuts in programming somewhere. You chose the rave over the masquerade. Anyone here defending that action and saying that its not an issue of rave vs. masquerade is wrong. Its no different than a problem in a panel room. Say there's a problem with a Puni Puni Poemy panel, but next up you've got Vic in that room. You'll have to cut the first panel short. I get it. But you honestly think its fine to cut short something that is a core part of the convention, what some people have prepped months for? An event that defines your convention by name, ANIME. You cut out that programming then rush the ending of it so you can start an event on time? Yes there are thousands of people there in line for the rave, but it goes on for a scheduled frame of seven hours. You couldn't take an hour out of that?
Your rave is such a problem. How many ambulance visits are because of it? Either some idiot sneaking in drugs and ODing (which is a whole different conversation I could rant about), someone legitimately dancing and getting hurt, or a fight or brawl between two guys trying to score with some underaged girl that violates the dress code policy you refuse to enforce for the event. Trash all over the premises and drunk people grieving other guests because they can't handle their liquor or are underaged in the first place...the whole thing is a mess that you're letting go every year, only then encouraging it to get worse and letting those same people behave just as poorly the next year.
So what is it, ACEN? Are you a party convention with some anime programming or are you an anime convention with other unrelated events? The money you pour into fashion and non-anime musical guests are pushing the definition of anime. I do appreciate that you keep them related as best as you can and that these people can relate to the Japanese culture. You want to cater to as many different types of people as possible, but you need to establish a definition. As far as I'm concerned, you're defining yourselves as a party convention with incredibly lenient security and enforcement of policies that put safety first. As far as I'm concerned, you're making sure the parties can go on. You had a "party floor" at the Hyatt last year designated.
tldr; ACEN had to cut something and they felt their profits, reputation, and best interests were in keeping an 8-hour party.
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#44
Posted 01 May 2012 - 03:51 PM
Point is, the Masquerade could have still utilized its 3 hours without the Soap Bubble getting cut.
Of course what's done is done and we can't change the past.
These are just my opinions and thoughts; take it with a grain of salt.
This post has been edited by glenburg89: 01 May 2012 - 03:51 PM
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#45
Posted 01 May 2012 - 04:37 PM
Jazhed508, on 01 May 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:
I too was suppose to be in the Masquerade so I can relate REALLY well with the upset feelings. I had put in an excessive amount of time and labor into my costume.
All I can do is promise to do my best that this never happens again.
Jason - Preparing for a revolution.
Was the ACEN level management feeling okay? I mean, pretty much at every anime con I've been to.. the masquerade has had the highest priority above all other programming for the attendees. I don't really go to the masquerade, myself, because I have too much stuff going on that I have to watch it online... but yeah... Very bad call, especially to EXTEND the soap bubble. It's already going on for how many hours? o_O Yeah okay... Not trying to sound like a jerk or a butthead, but yeah...
This post has been edited by ATICE: 01 May 2012 - 04:37 PM
#46
Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:31 PM
AT THE SAME TIME I understand why the staff chose to cut the masquerade instead of pushing back the rave. What it comes down to is DJ's, cleaning staff, all of that costs MONEY, and not just a small amount.. whereas cosplayers come free once they pay their badges. From a financial perspective it was the right decision. It just sucks the skits and the people who put the work into them got jipped.
Again, the staff did the best they could and I don't think anyone else could have done it better.
The thing I would like to see change with the masquerade is the categories. It seems silly to me to have so much of the convention incorporate non Japanese/Korean things yet the masquerade seeks to exclude them. If your walk on/skit is not Japanese/Korean, you cannot participate in the masquerade and are deferred to hallway cosplay which only recently added a section to accommodate the cosplays that don't fall under a Japanese/Korean origin. Once upon a time when acen was purely an anime convention that may have been just fine and dandy, but let's face it...the con isn't about just anime/manga/japan anymore. It's changed and I think it's ridiculous the masquerade discriminates against non Japanese/Korean cosplayers and remains the same. That's what I would like to see changed about the masquerade. Either make the convention purely Japanese/Korean and get rid of the rest (this would also mean almost all the video games btw) or integrate.
This post has been edited by Kisa_Bunnie: 01 May 2012 - 08:31 PM
#47
Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:30 PM
Kisa_Bunnie, on 01 May 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:
Piggybacking off this:
Last year, someone had a Harry Dresden cosplay walk-on from The Dresden Files, which is a book series written by an American author. Was this just an oversight, then? I don't really know the Masquerade entry rules that well.
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#48
Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:18 PM
John is one of the nicest cosplay people I know and the least angry or stressed out people, and if he is he dont take it out on others, and is a true leader in that respect to be a department head of the masquerade at a large con like this one.
#49
Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:32 PM
We cannot check EVERY person that enters to make sure they are following the rules and we do NOT know EVERY single thing people are cosplaying from. We assume everyone is following the rules like they are supposed to. THAT BEING SAID, we did check entries this year.
Second, this is an anime and Japanese culture convention.
Third, allowing American cosplay would open a FLOOD GATE we're not sure we can handle. We are not short on entries and frankly we really don't want 500 My Little Pony and Homestuck skits.
Please please PLEASE just let this go for right now and ask about it at a much more appropriate time. We've already addressed this once this year, this is now the second time.
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#50
Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:57 AM
Acen, this is NOT how you stop people from complaining bout the soap bubble being a waste and wrong crowd attractor. While i dislike the soap bubble already, the fact it got priority? Yeah, ill stop there.
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#51
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:03 AM
#52
Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:17 PM
but anyone that made this call, that made the masquerade staff go up front and tell everyone
they need to be fired.
I wouldn't be surprised if the entire cosplay staff left over this .
Because this is a member owned con ( we buy memberships when we purchase badges) don't we have the right to say who should be on the chopping block this year?
Just my 2 cents.
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#53
Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:47 PM
How much would it have costed to delay it another couple of hours? I also thought IRT wasn't letting anyone line up until 30 mins before any event (which obviously was never enforced).
Couldn't the DJs just chill for a bit or something? A fire alarm did just go off. What makes them and the party so much more important than such a completely relevant program? Krystal Cosplay implored that we civilly voice our outrage/disappointment, but the circumstances make it very difficult.
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#54
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:17 PM
#55
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:39 PM
Like running AMVs or something similar? Call it the acen dinner theater or something.
My perfect set-up would be like this.
Masquerade line up start 4:15
Masquerade Start: 5:00
Masquerade End: 8:00
Buffer Half Hour for clear out, partial set-up.
Insert Program like Anime Hell, Oregon Trail, special sponsored premiere here. Panty & Stocking
While said program is going on you can have line up going on outside for Soap Bubble.
#56
Posted 03 May 2012 - 03:35 AM
I didn't come this year due to many reasons, after something like this happing (as well as other things I've read and heard from other friends) I'm pretty sure I'm not going next year.
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#57
Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:50 AM
sabre, on 02 May 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:
#58
Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:26 PM
SurvivalStrategy, on 03 May 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:
They had anyone who could help (volunteers and con staff), help clean up and set up. They were calling for all hands on deck. It sounded like they were trying super hard to get the Soap Bubble to start on time.
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Foolish Humon, on 13 June 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:
#59
Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:19 PM
(Now, cleaning up after the Soap Bubble? D: Nooooo. You could not pay me enough. Bill Gates could not pay me enough.)
#60
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:09 PM
Oyuki, on 02 May 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:
How much would it have costed to delay it another couple of hours? I also thought IRT wasn't letting anyone line up until 30 mins before any event (which obviously was never enforced).
Note: My opinions are mine and do not express the feelings of ACEN, IRT or it's staff.
Side note: This is a long post.
As far as the quoted topic goes goes, We tried, With 10 people dedicated to lines, we tried clearing the lines out, we tried to keep the hallways clear, but some people just wouldn't move, or they would move and go to the outside area where we HAVE to have the overflow from the indoors. You then have to remember if we tell people that they can't line up or stand there and to go take a walk, we have a bunch of angry people. Add on to the fact with everything being pushed back for hours it becomes a question of When do you line up? the sign says line starts at (8pm for this) well it's 9pm and things aren't set up, where do we put those people? Tell them to come back in an hour and HOPE they can line up? That gives IRT a bad rap because now we are being jerks and turning everyone away until "Whenever it starts". (Which sadly i had to tell people IN line more then a few times)
Now to play devils advocate here for a moment because there are a few things that haven't been mentioned. Bands running late, bands doing 2 hour sound checks? There isn't much people can do about that, Do you know why? ACen pays for these people to come here, dealing with studios, record labels and distributors. If the staff say...Forced bands off stage in the middle of a set because of time restraints they go back to their people and complain and soon no guest from that label will show up. That's a sad fact of industry business that nobody ever needs to deal with.
As far as having a bunch of musical guests, ACen was during golden week in japan.
I love the masquerade to death, Hell i was the door man with the clicker counting people in and got to see each and every person that wanted to see it, BUT, and this is a big but, After the fire alarm a majority of people skipped it and waited in line for the rave.
That being said, i'm going to touch on the first mention of bands here again, ACen pays money along with food and lodging for the DJ's. does anyone believe its financially "Okay" to pay 3-4 DJ's who never go on? We run into the label problem again of people black listing the event and convention.
Now with all that said and done, Do i think it was fair or right? I believe it was a questionable call, But i can try to understand why things happen the way they do. And if you don't like it? Well i'll say something you aren't expecting. Help staff it. if there is some bit of "Magic" that you can bring to help things run better, by all means, Help us, Help us build a better convention then the year before. Each and every person is a volunteer that puts time and effort into doing the best they can and when we stumble and we need help, Be there to help us get back up.
(A small story to go with the previous statement, while everyone was inside enjoying the masquerade, myself and the line crew had to deal with a crowd that was getting loud and restless. and seriously having 400 people in hallway screaming at the top of their lungs "This is BULL****" because the rave hadn't started isn't a situation for the feint of heart but that comes with the job of doing IRT)
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