[Wingy Baby]

TheStrongJaeger, on 05 October 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

A simple Google search of "feminist tumblr" yields several pages of tumblrs dedicated to feminism ranging from "somewhat reasonable" to "I believe all men should be castrated". For me those types were so pervasive that it's the reason I don't go to tumblr. At least 4chan knows they aren't serious and do everything as a joke, while the tumblr people are almost always serious.

That's not feminism. That's misandry.

Feminism has always been about equality between men and women.

[Dark Stranger]

Wingy Baby, on 05 October 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

That's not feminism. That's misandry.

Feminism has always been about equality between men and women.

But that's kind of the point. They have pretty much molded into one in most cases. People see most feminst rallys and all they hear about how women are still treated horriable, still thought of as housewifes (both not true espcially in America) and how it's all mens fault and how evil they are. And if anyone says other wise (god help them if it's a male) they get chewed up and spit out by angry women. There's nothing feminist about that. These types of rallies for whatever they are (feminists, gays, nerds, whatever) have all gone on so long that their main point has already been accomplished by they they still fight, pretty much for nothing and just come off as angry.

[TheStrongJaeger]

Wingy Baby, on 05 October 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

That's not feminism. That's misandry.

Feminism has always been about equality between men and women.

If you need to pick sides on a fight, you are not fighting for equality. Some women have fought for equal rights, but feminism and all feminists are not fighting for equality.

[Wingy Baby]

No, there is nothing feminist about those people's reactions. I said that already. Everyone has their own way of dealing with injustices they experience and sometimes, he/she lashes out in hate and goes off into a deep end that will not fix anything. It is not feminism in the least. It's just hate born from hurt, anger and no desire to understand and listen. So yes, they do come off angry. But that isn't any movement I'm a part of. It isn't really any movement.

Feminism is about being equal in the work place and having the same rights. It also support's men's right like father's rights and abuse cases. Sounds like fighting for equality to me. We aren't going to achieve that tho when the ol' "Feminists are man-haters and bra-burners!" speech keeps. happening - nor are we going to achieve it when one gender (male or female) keeps pushing the other down.

Honestly... 2012 and still the argument? We are not done fighting by a long shot.

[Dark Stranger]

Wingy Baby, on 06 October 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Honestly... 2012 and still the argument? We are not done fighting by a long shot.

There are problems with 1. 4. and 5.
1. "Equal pay" If you A. Do not the same expericance as someone different from you (age, race, sex,etc) in a job you should not automatically get the same pay. If I've been working in a retail store for 5 years and a women/girl comes in and starts working there for their first job, she can't complain about "equal pay". B. If you work in the same area of a job but do not have specialized jobs in said field then you also should not get the same pay. (things like secretiars to lawfrims, bussniesses, etc.) You may have the same knowlage in said field, but your not specialized in it.

4. "Microaggressions" These are words/slang nothing more. If your pissed about because the word also has something to do with sex organ or sexual attration. Then your just being petty. Also take heed in the fact that words change and will change again (gay used to mean happy, then insult to homosexuals, now it just means anything stupid and most times people don't used it to insult gays.)

5. "Media representation". This also fails on many levels. While the test they mentioned does have merrit to it sometimes, it's also just as faulty to use it for every movie, book, or other entertainment uses. Lord of the rings didn't lose anything by failing this test. Some stories just don't have females. Some only have females. They are both fine. Also it doesn't help (espcially when it comes to writing) that most women love stories that only cling towards the sterotypes that they SAY they are agaisnt. The biggist hits with females has been the Twlight saga and the 50 shades of grey sagas. One puts a women who's completely dependent on a man and is compelety without a personality or life on her own and the other is nothing but highly sexualized treatments of women. Yet they love this stuff then turn right around and say "DON"T REPRESENT US LIKE THAT!" Make up your minds.

This post has been edited by Dark Stranger: 06 October 2012 - 02:13 AM

[Steam_Loli216]

Dark Stranger, on 06 October 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

Make up your minds.

Thankfully, I cannot make up the minds of millions of women. What a boring world that would be.
I still don't understand why women like Twilight or Fifty Shades. I just... don't get it. The circle of girls I'm friends with doesn't read any of that crap. I do have one friend who is kind of a man-hater... we like to banter back and forth but we still respect each other.

You know one thing that's great about the military? equality. It's not "hey, you for guys go move jet engines and you four girls go clean" It's "everyone go move this heavy crap around and then we will all clean" And it's not that we are held to a MAN'S standard, we are just held to one standard. But it is pretty sad when I can lift more than a guy. Just saying.

[Dark Stranger]

Steam_Loli216, on 06 October 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

Thankfully, I cannot make up the minds of millions of women. What a boring world that would be.
I still don't understand why women like Twilight or Fifty Shades. I just... don't get it. The circle of girls I'm friends with doesn't read any of that crap. I do have one friend who is kind of a man-hater... we like to banter back and forth but we still respect each other.

You know one thing that's great about the military? equality. It's not "hey, you for guys go move jet engines and you four girls go clean" It's "everyone go move this heavy crap around and then we will all clean" And it's not that we are held to a MAN'S standard, we are just held to one standard. But it is pretty sad when I can lift more than a guy. Just saying.

Lifting more then a guy WHILE pregnant nonetheless.

[Keiichi-chan]

all the women of the world are my lovely, little sheep.










if you are socially conscious and/or politically active in the fight for women's rights, you have my support as
a feminist. sadly, most 'feminists' i have seen are so exclusively because they believe women to be born superior to men, which
is idiotic. i don't think i'm superior to any women, but i don't think i'm inferior, either.

that being said, though i love it, you could definitely say lord of the rings takes a decidedly sexist view against ladies.
it's more of a less offensive sort of naivety, as tolken was very conservative and spent most of his time surrounded by his male
author buddies. the women aren't denigrated at all--the way they are, supposedly, in c.s. louis' books
-- but they're all pretty, 1-dimensional goddesses, or pixies, or queens, or some such creature that
waits around to give the male heroes some advice or enchanted form of weaponry. arwen's role was significantly altered in the
first film purely because there is only single female character of any narrative significance in the
entire original trilogy of novels.

it's unfair to claim objectification is okay, because women often do it to themselves with stuff like fifty shades of grey.
many people have been inundated with the idea that it's their role in society by men via the media, men in their lives,
society, etc. just because some women accept the social construct they've been born into doesn't mean all of them
should be forced to do the same.

This post has been edited by Keiichi-chan: 06 October 2012 - 09:02 AM

[The Fujoshi]

Dark Stranger, on 05 October 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

They are all kinda getting equally annoying since the are constantaly putting up notifications/showing me what my friends are liking/talking about/seeing pictures of. It just starts flooding your wall with people you don't even know. :/

Here is what you do:

FB (Do not make a fb or better yet make a PRIVATE fb. Or make a fb and don't friend nobody.) If you can't do this AND you still complain about why you have so many notifications, then you are not ready for facebook. I only go on fb to play games; my fb is the same name as -three- other characters and it's not popular; people only go on there due to begging me for my image (RL image,) from said game due to stupid teenage idiots who don't think I'm a real girl. (Which only makes me laugh when I tell them there isn't one on my fb, like it's rare.) I rarely get newsfeeds and even then I ignore so many of them.

ALSO: don't ask for shares, don't ask for likes to help your pseudo self esteem because you want to be popular like the person with 100k hits.

4Chan no notifications at all. Just don't go there if you can't handle it. If you can, Add the firefox add on to hide threads, do not go on /cgl/ /b/ /jp/ /y/ /rs/ Simple. If you want porn just go to /y/ and /h/ or better yet Fakku and google it. If you want an actual discussion, go to /a/ and LURK MOAR. Most of the threads are made by bored people and don't give a damn about your input.

Twitter Don't follow, don't tweet, don't even make one. Do you know how many idiots have suffered from Tweeting or sued? Do I have to remind you of said person who tweeted about the president's dead grandmother? Twitter is just random quotes; not even whole sentences, SOMETIMES images. There is no purpose of twitter except to be an attention person.

Tumblr Don't follow anyone or follow people who don't spam; I'm not popular and I never run into these "fake pseudo feminist." I only run into Desu2 and SMT people. PEOPLE don't know I exist because I don't reblog every ten minutes and act like a moron with my posts and BEG for posts and I like it like that.

If you can't do that then you really shouldn't be on the internet.

Regarding feminism on wiggy's statements and DS's comments, to be honest women are always going to be look down on NO matter what people say or do. Race as well due to the fact that most of the world is run by men and either Chinese or white males, especially the latter in some retrospects and having kids and or 'taking it' doesn't make you strong enough as a person or even equal..

There is no such thing as equal pay or rights in the work force; there will always be favortism, etc. When I worked with the newbie, who just started, he had more slack than me, who was working 3+ years. Why? Because he worked in previous jobs, mind you not in the same field and since I didn't they put him over me. You have no idea who the newbie might be, might know, might have sucked off, etc. So you can't really judge if someone says "EQUAL PAY," even if they are a woman unless you do a background check. Heck they MIGHT want it because they worked 10+ years to your 5+ years in the company or whatever.

Also women read the romance stuff due to society and media standards; its a way to escape and it's an over the top version of it. It's not reflecting on women in the same fashion as yaoi, shonen, or shoujo does with homosexuals, men and women, and women towards men. Does shonen, which is geared towards and has descriptive view of men and their interests, say that men are in turn "People who only want big boobed women and beat any other girl's butt, or guy and doesn't notice his childhood friend who is "friendzoned," until the bikini beach episode when he sees the shrinking violet's rack?"

If you say yes to ^; then yeah you deserve to be friendzoned :>

This post has been edited by The Fujoshi: 06 October 2012 - 09:38 AM

[XenoBlade]

Who gave this thread a pheonix down?

Im not even going to enter this argument. All im going to say is double standards and inequality exist in both sexes sadly. As long as the world spins, inequality will exist. Such is human nature. If not sexism or racism, it would be classism, ageism and so on.

Everyone should fight for what they feel is right, just as long as it doesn't impose on others.

Btw Steam, since you are in the military (and your post reminded me) did you hear about the military study that women surpass men in destructive and deadly nature under emotional duress? (Tho apparently it fizzles out quicker than males who have a lower destructive point, but are able to keep it going a lil longer)

Btw Fuji, dunno if id add Chinese men as on top.

This post has been edited by XenoBlade: 06 October 2012 - 11:22 AM

[The Fujoshi]

XenoBlade, on 06 October 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Who gave this thread a pheonix down?

Im not even going to enter this argument. All im going to say is double standards and inequality exist in both sexes sadly. As long as the world spins, inequality will exist. Such is human nature. If not sexism or racism, it would be classism, ageism and so on.

Everyone should fight for what they feel is right, just as long as it doesn't impose on others.

Btw Steam, since you are in the military (and your post reminded me) did you hear about the military study that women surpass men in destructive and deadly nature under emotional duress? (Tho apparently it fizzles out quicker than males who have a lower destructive point, but are able to keep it going a lil longer)

Btw Fuji, dunno if id add Chinese men as on top.

I gave mention to the Chinese because of two factors:

The most common name in the world is CHANG

China has the biggest population in the world so far.

Also many of the companies are being taken over by Chinese companies or co op. I can vouch for this because I worked with a lot of Koreans/Chinese in my job.

So you can't just say just Caucasian or European white males because of those three factors, especially in the metal industry.

Just because you're a man or a woman or a certain race doesn't mean you get better benefits or think you are socially, mentally, and/or more superior than the other and it's really stupid to think so. People are based on background/experience/personality.

[XenoBlade]

The Fujoshi, on 06 October 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

I gave mention to the Chinese because of two factors:

The most common name in the world is CHANG

China has the biggest population in the world so far.

Also many of the companies are being taken over by Chinese companies or co op. I can vouch for this because I worked with a lot of Koreans/Chinese in my job.

So you can't just say just Caucasian or European white males because of those three factors, especially in the metal industry.

Just because you're a man or a woman or a certain race doesn't mean you get better benefits or think you are socially, mentally, and/or more superior than the other and it's really stupid to think so. People are based on background/experience/personality.

They may have more (which the byproduct of the most common name is due to population) but China in itself is still not up there where it needs to be just yet to be considered world leader. Granted they are ones to lead and own stuff, but give it like a good century or a half. European white males have been "in control" for centuries. China is still developing and growing. That and they been pretty much bullied their entire history. Being it Japan (for so long) or America when they used them for railroads (and treated them like crap)

[The Fujoshi]

XenoBlade, on 06 October 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

They may have more (which the byproduct of the most common name is due to population) but China in itself is still not up there where it needs to be just yet to be considered world leader. Granted they are ones to lead and own stuff, but give it like a good century or a half. European white males have been "in control" for centuries. China is still developing and growing. That and they been pretty much bullied their entire history. Being it Japan (for so long) or America when they used them for railroads (and treated them like crap)

Off topic but it depends on the industry in question. They may not be a superpower but the fact that they were considered a secondary superpower next to India is saying a lot. There is a lot of other factors as well keeping them from becoming a superpower; area, government, etc. as well as history. America REALLY lucked out imo.

Even though the white man may be the forerunner in said company, it's a Chinese company or a Chinese middle man that are in the background, which is why some politicians are so adamant about "USA only," products. You also have to consider culture as a factor; they have more of a passive nature than Americans and some Europeans as you explained in their history, so they won't go "Well we are the major people in this company because we supply the materials, make the most money in stocks, etc." They rather sit in the background and laugh to themselves about making money rather than show it off or brag about it.

If I ever go to another IMTS show Xeno I'll show you the roster of American companies that are associated with Chinese benefactors. I was personally surprised myself that 1:3 American companies or European/UK ones had or were associated with Chinese or Korean(!).

But hey this is about women and men not really Chinese Vs. Americans >:3

[Steam_Loli216]

XenoBlade, on 06 October 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Who gave this thread a pheonix down?

Im not even going to enter this argument. All im going to say is double standards and inequality exist in both sexes sadly. As long as the world spins, inequality will exist. Such is human nature. If not sexism or racism, it would be classism, ageism and so on.

Everyone should fight for what they feel is right, just as long as it doesn't impose on others.

Btw Steam, since you are in the military (and your post reminded me) did you hear about the military study that women surpass men in destructive and deadly nature under emotional duress? (Tho apparently it fizzles out quicker than males who have a lower destructive point, but are able to keep it going a lil longer)

Btw Fuji, dunno if id add Chinese men as on top.

Huh, that's interesting. I've never heard that. I am way more level headed than most guys I work with, then again, my life has never been threatened.

[Dark Stranger]

The Fujoshi, on 06 October 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Regarding feminism on wiggy's statements and DS's comments, to be honest women are always going to be look down on NO matter what people say or do. Race as well due to the fact that most of the world is run by men and either Chinese or white males, especially the latter in some retrospects and having kids and or 'taking it' doesn't make you strong enough as a person or even equal..

There is no such thing as equal pay or rights in the work force; there will always be favortism, etc. When I worked with the newbie, who just started, he had more slack than me, who was working 3+ years. Why? Because he worked in previous jobs, mind you not in the same field and since I didn't they put him over me. You have no idea who the newbie might be, might know, might have sucked off, etc. So you can't really judge if someone says "EQUAL PAY," even if they are a woman unless you do a background check. Heck they MIGHT want it because they worked 10+ years to your 5+ years in the company or whatever.

Also women read the romance stuff due to society and media standards; its a way to escape and it's an over the top version of it. It's not reflecting on women in the same fashion as yaoi, shonen, or shoujo does with homosexuals, men and women, and women towards men. Does shonen, which is geared towards and has descriptive view of men and their interests, say that men are in turn "People who only want big boobed women and beat any other girl's butt, or guy and doesn't notice his childhood friend who is "friendzoned," until the bikini beach episode when he sees the shrinking violet's rack?"

If you say yes to ^; then yeah you deserve to be friendzoned :>

Yeah, way to sound totally non sexist/racist on that first sentence. "it's all chiense AND men's fault". Second, wait, what? Your actually saying that A. Women who write fantasy romance novels (mostly for women mind you) that have a very submissive perspective of what a women should feel and act like are only because of socities standards? That doesn't make sense. and B. Also it completey is the same reflection as yaoi and other things. I'm pretty sure most gay guys could tell you that yaoi is nothing like what it is to be a gay man in real life.

[sentinel28a]

Dark Stranger, on 14 October 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

Yeah, way to sound totally non sexist/racist on that first sentence. "it's all chiense AND men's fault". Second, wait, what? Your actually saying that A. Women who write fantasy romance novels (mostly for women mind you) that have a very submissive perspective of what a women should feel and act like are only because of socities standards? That doesn't make sense. and B. Also it completey is the same reflection as yaoi and other things. I'm pretty sure most gay guys could tell you that yaoi is nothing like what it is to be a gay man in real life.

I asked a good friend of mine who is gay about yaoi. He replied that it was clearly written for women, and not gay men. (Though he does get a good laugh out of watching it.)

Ben Da Mad Irishman
"I just get nausea"

[KirbyFanOne]

The Fujoshi, on 05 October 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

I dunno what's worse: Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, or 4Chan. Probably Twitter since everyone uses it now a days.

The answer you're looking for is Reddit.

[The Fujoshi]

Dark Stranger, on 14 October 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

Yeah, way to sound totally non sexist/racist on that first sentence. "it's all chiense AND men's fault". Second, wait, what? Your actually saying that A. Women who write fantasy romance novels (mostly for women mind you) that have a very submissive perspective of what a women should feel and act like are only because of socities standards? That doesn't make sense. and B. Also it completey is the same reflection as yaoi and other things. I'm pretty sure most gay guys could tell you that yaoi is nothing like what it is to be a gay man in real life.

Umm are you new? Society is mostly run by men, white males and Chinese males in particular, (from what I noticed with the latter race,) in terms of the dollar in the world. It was stated in other threads; would you care about abortion on a personal level or homosexuality? Or would you consider gas costs over those two because they don't apply to you since you are a male, a straight male, and you wouldn't care less since they are "lesser troubles?" Or would you consider those two on a non bias level?

Women are considered under men in most countries even in this century. In China girls (just after they were born in some cases, not women but girls,) were killed off because of overpopulation and because they were considered weak at one point. In other parts of Asia women are either given less jail time or worse because they are women.

Why is this? I think it's because 1) Society is run by men and 2) If you take it in the bed or is a "catcher," you must be weak. (Or another kind of standard.) Which is why some men say "I ain't no punk because I don't take it like a woman, which makes me weak!"

I have no idea and I personally think it's stupid. There shouldn't be any sex or race that is above someone but sadly in this society it is. There is always an excuse or label to make a human being feel "better than someone."

Also I never said in any of my statements that it's the Chinese and white man's fault. I said that most of the society world is run by these two in particular, which is true. Some of the richest men in the world are indeed, men, especially white men. Not all but a lot. We only had ONE black president you know since we were founded and some countries are just now getting women as political leaders.

China is behind the scenes in a lot of the corporations and the USA had so much outsourcing that politic parties wanted to campaign against it. So that shows that China has SOME power when it comes to the dollar in this world even if it's not obvious due to history reasons.

2) I think you got confused; women who write or read that stuff do it either as enjoyment or to escape but it doesn't mean that the women are like that in general; that is what I was saying. Women are not a reflection of shoujo; they just enjoy that stuff or else why not buy it? And the mighty dollar rules all.

Yaoi is mostly geared towards women who only watch it to enjoy 'feels' for hot men and sex which is why it's laughable since it's so unrealistic, but stuff like Sojou no Koi wa Nido Haneru can be read by anyone.

Spoiler

I don't know too many women who have bf's bone them in the butt like a yaoi manga, so they read and write it.

The same is with Shonen; the idea of being a hero and overcoming odds that gives a "Feel," is entertainment; it doesn't mean all men want to be heroes or want big boobed women or it's a reflection on how men are. That is what I was saying. If women shouldn't buy shoujo since shoujo is making them appear "weak," and progression, then men shouldn't buy Shonen either and heck stop all manga while you are at it since all of it demeans something and make it super realistic.

Spoiler

Yaoi is often read by girls between 12-18 who doesn't understand the concept of gay sex but want to read taboo. It hurts trust me and you may or may not need to fast before it. Its not painless and sparkles, which is why I am very picky about my yaoi unless it's OTP. Thank god its slowly changing.

God if that was the case anyone who reads and enjoys NTR.....-shakes head- Most people don't read or write manga to be realistic any more; they read it to escape and have "feels." There are some gems like Katawa shoujo, but that gets overrun by manga like Beezelbub, Fairy Tail, Naruto, Tons of June, etc.

I read yuri to be honest Sent and I'm a girl (I guess.) I don't read stuff like Junjou but Kyuuso wa Cheese no Yume o Miru . Tell your buddy to read that; seems like he seen Gravitation and maybe Ouran.

This post has been edited by The Fujoshi: 15 October 2012 - 10:42 AM

[XenoBlade]

The Fujoshi, on 14 October 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Umm are you new? Society is mostly run by men, white males and Chinese males in particular, (from what I noticed with the latter race,) in terms of the dollar in the world. It was stated in other threads; would you care about abortion on a personal level or homosexuality? Or would you consider gas costs over those two because they don't apply to you since you are a male, a straight male, and you wouldn't care less since they are "lesser troubles?" Or would you consider those two on a non bias level?

Women are considered under men in most countries even in this century. In China women were killed off because of overpopulation and because they were considered weak at one point. In other parts of Asia women are either given less jail time or worse because they are women.

Why is this? I think it's because 1) Society is run by men and 2) If you take it in the bed or is a "catcher," you must be weak. (Or another kind of standard.) Which is why some men say "I ain't no punk because I don't take it like a woman, which makes me weak!"

I have no idea and I personally think it's stupid. There shouldn't be any sex or race that is above someone but sadly in this society it is. There is always an excuse or label to make a human being feel "better than someone."

Also I never said in any of my statements that it's the Chinese and white man's fault. I said that most of the society world is run by these two in particular, which is true. Some of the richest men in the world are indeed, men, especially white men. Not all but a lot. We only had ONE black president you know since we were founded and some countries are just now getting women as political leaders.

China is behind the scenes in a lot of the corporations and the USA had so much outsourcing that politic parties wanted to campaign against it. So that shows that China has SOME power when it comes to the dollar in this world even if it's not obvious due to history reasons.

2) I think you got confused; women who write or read that stuff do it either as enjoyment or to escape but it doesn't mean that the women are like that in general; that is what I was saying. Women are not a reflection of shoujo; they just enjoy that stuff or else why not buy it? And the mighty dollar rules all.

Yaoi is mostly geared towards women who only watch it to enjoy 'feels' for hot men and sex which is why it's laughable since it's so unrealistic, but stuff like Sojou no Koi wa Nido Haneru can be read by anyone.

Spoiler

I don't know too many women who have bf's bone them in the butt like a yaoi manga, so they read and write it.

The same is with Shonen; the idea of being a hero and overcoming odds that gives a "Feel," is entertainment; it doesn't mean all men want to be heroes or want big boobed women or it's a reflection on how men are. That is what I was saying. If women shouldn't buy shoujo since shoujo is making them appear "weak," and progression, then men shouldn't buy Shonen either and heck
stop all manga while you are at it since all of it demeans something and make it super realistic.

Spoiler

Yaoi is often read by girls between 12-18 who doesn't understand the concept of gay sex but want to read taboo. It hurts trust me and you may or may not need to fast before it. Its not painless and sparkles, which is why I am very picky about my yaoi unless it's OTP. Thank god its slowly changing.

God if that was the case anyone who reads and enjoys NTR.....-shakes head- Most people don't read or write manga to be realistic any more; they read it to escape and have "feels." There are some gems like Katawa shoujo, but that gets overrun by manga like Beezelbub, Fairy Tail, Naruto, Tons of June, etc.

I read yuri to be honest Sent and I'm a girl (I guess.) I don't read stuff like Junjou but Kyuuso wa Cheese no Yume o Miru . Tell your buddy to read that; seems like he seen Gravitation and maybe Ouran.

Still not quite sold on the Chinese being part of the "white men" group. As I stated before, I believe in a few decades they will be (even with the stuff you stated Fuji. When those same Chinese men don't aspire to be like rich white men (and become their own image....leading image at that) And when most of us here don't look at the Chinese and think chow mein and martial arts, than they will be a leader and equal to the oh so hated white man. Lol)

Also, you should clarify girls and not women for the overpopulation issue. Some may think they kill grown women when it is newborn babies. (Which it's more abandonment than killing) But yeah they did shun female babies. Tho it was to keep the family name for the most part. (Since the government forced only one child per family) And as you know, every culture (basically) seeks to have their family name run forever.

[The Fujoshi]

XenoBlade, on 15 October 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Still not quite sold on the Chinese being part of the "white men" group. As I stated before, I believe in a few decades they will be (even with the stuff you stated Fuji. When those same Chinese men don't aspire to be like rich white men (and become their own image....leading image at that) And when most of us here don't look at the Chinese and think chow mein and martial arts, than they will be a leader and equal to the oh so hated white man. Lol)

Also, you should clarify girls and not women for the overpopulation issue. Some may think they kill grown women when it is newborn babies. (Which it's more abandonment than killing) But yeah they did shun female babies. Tho it was to keep the family name for the most part. (Since the government forced only one child per family) And as you know, every culture (basically) seeks to have their family name run forever.

-Shrug- Well to be honest I still have issues about the Chinese part myself. But it was shocking when I was working at my convention job and so many Chinese and Korean companies were branched off with American/German/UK countries when I was doing registration. That says something there in a nutshell.

What I don't get is that: In China can't you change or keep your family name if you get married? I thought you could even with a socialist government or is China that high strung right now?

EDIT:

Then you get women like this:

This post has been edited by The Fujoshi: 15 October 2012 - 10:45 AM

[Dark Stranger]

The problem you are having with the literature part is that even if it's suppose to be a "escape" for women, it's still a negative impact for them. If all popular literature for females is about sumbmissive women with no control over their own lifes and girls read all sorts of books like that is gives them a sense that that is what a relasonship is suppose to be. Which in turn is the females writers fault. Men have no responsability for what people read or wirte. So you can't turn around and say that it's our fault when the current top two female authors have the worst female protagonists in recent memory.

[XenoBlade]

The Fujoshi, on 15 October 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

-Shrug- Well to be honest I still have issues about the Chinese part myself. But it was shocking when I was working at my convention job and so many Chinese and Korean companies were branched off with American/German/UK countries when I was doing registration. That says something there in a nutshell.

What I don't get is that: In China can't you change or keep your family name if you get married? I thought you could even with a socialist government or is China that high strung right now?

EDIT:

Then you get women like this:

Yeah, there are a few successful ones, but look at China as a whole. Would you call China 1st world? If one were to visit China (and venture away from eastern parts, it's pretty much poverty in essence. They are rapidly growing. (Which is why I said in a few decades)

Plain and simple she is scum. Granted the guy was in the wrong (after like the 2nd attempt he should've stopped. You can argue first, but I think it's fair to ask twice. Just to make sure.)but, to call the police on him and claim rape when he didn't? (She even admitted herself that it pretty much wasn't) Jerk move. That's a serious charge that he can go to jail for.

[The Fujoshi]

Dark Stranger, on 15 October 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

The problem you are having with the literature part is that even if it's suppose to be a "escape" for women, it's still a negative impact for them. If all popular literature for females is about sumbmissive women with no control over their own lifes and girls read all sorts of books like that is gives them a sense that that is what a relasonship is suppose to be. Which in turn is the females writers fault. Men have no responsability for what people read or wirte. So you can't turn around and say that it's our fault when the current top two female authors have the worst female protagonists in recent memory.

I never said it was men's fault; I said that if you must blame shoujo and romance giving women a negative impact, go all the way with the other stuff as well, like yaoi, shonen, etc. which also have the same standards. You can't say that one thing is bad and then ignore the other when it's the same or worse; it's supporting hypocrisy.

Like NTR? Wouldn't NTR give the view that women are promiscuous and easy and are so weak minded that they can't be in a relationship unless they are controlled? Or that Yaoi gives the impression that gay sex is painless and with sparkles and

Spoiler

rape is ok if they love you and its male on male?

I know some girls, women, and men who read these two and think such things and mind you, yaoi is written by women and NTR is mostly written by men.

Spoiler

I used to think from hentai that women and men can have dual orgasms all the time and if you don't you're abnormal.

Does the forum hate your posts? Because I can never see them sometimes. They just skip.

EDIT: Ds if you are talking about Twilight, well....that story is totally fake and whoever thinks that the main are strong role models needs to stay as a special snowflake.

@Xeno: Socialist government maybe?

Yeah that woman kind of made me upset for the day.....both of them.

This post has been edited by The Fujoshi: 15 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

[sentinel28a]

As much as I loathe Twilight (and since 50 Shades of Weird started as Twilight fanfiction, I think it falls under Twilight), I have to credit Stephanie Meyer with finding a niche and running with it. Everyone was looking for the next big thing after Harry Potter, and Twilight was it. Same goes for Hunger Games. I thought both books were poorly written, personally, though Hunger Games I liked because of its interesting premise and Twilight I hated for its ridiculous premise.

But you know, people read books as escapism. My favorite book series are the Flashman books. (Not the anime, the 19th Century guy.) Harry Paget Flashman is a lecher that would make Miroku cry; he's also an adulterer, a coward, a bully, and a general jerk. Why do I love those books? Not because I want to be Flashman, but because they are wonderfully written and hilarious. They were all bestsellers in their time. For that matter, so was/is James Bond and Duke Togo in Golgo 13. Bond and Togo are essentially womanizing assassins with very little in the way of morals.

Guys like those books because they're fun, not because we want to be Bond, Togo or Flashman.

I think maybe people read too much into that. Yeah, many women love Twilight. That doesn't mean they want to be Bella. Hell, I think people read too much into the fact that Meyer's Mormon and that Bella is the "Mormon ideal" of women. I'm not Mormon, but "bloodsucking psycho" is not what Brigham Young had in mind, I'm thinkin'.

Books present us heroic characters because we like reading about those. No one wants to read about a wimp, unless the book ends up becoming a hero at the end. I think one reason why people stuck around with Evangelion was because we were hoping at some point Shinji would freaking grow some testicles and fight.

A true feminist wants equal rights across the board for everyone. I like those kind of people. There is a difference, though, between a feminist who wants equal rights (say, Susan B. Anthony) than a feminazi who wants special rights for women--and women who only agree politically with herself. Gloria Steinem fits that mold. Despite her screaming about equal rights, patriarchy and all that, she strangely had no problem with Bill Clinton's womanizing, despite the degradation of a few of his targets when he was governor of Arkansas or what he put his wife through. She should've been out there leading the charge, not shrugging it off because Bill was her boy.

Ben Da Mad Irishman
"Where's Lucy van Pelt when you need her?"

This post has been edited by sentinel28a: 15 October 2012 - 02:04 PM

[Dark Stranger]

Ok so maybe this will come off of horriably rude and sexist but why does it seem that men have a easier time to keep thier "escapes" and their real lifes seperate? Espically when it comes to their love life? Or is this just a recent thing for the younger generations.

[Wingy Baby]

Well, since it feels like women are under constant scrutiny and judgement for the stupidest things (A perfect stranger asked my boss one day if she really was going to eat that cookie, she didn't look like she needed more sweets. She glared and informed him she was 5 months pregnant and when was it his business to ask?)...

Nope, not a sexist question to me.

Really does feel like an unfair set of standards really.

Example for love life:

Gay male friend talks about his latest conquests at the bath house (don't ask). He is applauded.
I snicker at a dirty joke - sneered at.

Fair?

[Dark Stranger]

Wingy Baby, on 15 October 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Gay male friend talks about his latest conquests at the bath house (don't ask). He is applauded.
I snicker at a dirty joke - sneered at.

Fair?

Perhaps snickering at the wrong time could be concevied at laughing at gays like a insult maybe? Would have to hear it I suppose.

[Keiichi-chan]

Wingy Baby, on 15 October 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Well, since it feels like women are under constant scrutiny and judgement for the stupidest things (A perfect stranger asked my boss one day if she really was going to eat that cookie, she didn't look like she needed more sweets. She glared and informed him she was 5 months pregnant and when was it his business to ask?)...

Nope, not a sexist question to me.

Really does feel like an unfair set of standards really.

Example for love life:

Gay male friend talks about his latest conquests at the bath house (don't ask). He is applauded.
I snicker at a dirty joke - sneered at.

Fair?

to be fair, you can brag about a conquest without being raunchy. your anecdote is pretty vague, so
it's tough to tell if there's any real gender nepotism there.







i take issue with the idea that a dirty joke is an inherently male thing, considering i'm a guy
and i abhor crude humor, bro. i don't like porn, either, and i know plenty of girls who do, so you're
kinda pidgeon-holing guys here..

This post has been edited by Keiichi-chan: 15 October 2012 - 11:55 PM

[Sarahlicious]

Keiichi-chan, on 15 October 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

to be fair, you can brag about a conquest without being raunchy. your anecdote is pretty vague, so
it's tough to tell if there's any real gender nepotism there.







i take issue with the idea that a dirty joke is an inherently male thing, considering i'm a guy
and i abhor crude humor, bro. i don't like porn, either, and i know plenty of girls who do, so you're
kinda pidgeon-holing guys here..

Women are far dirtier than men. however, we are far more ninja-like with our dirtiness.

[XenoBlade]

Know what's unfair? The world weeps for Amanda Todd. A tragic story of a teen girl who made some really really bad choices (I do feel sorryfor her. Don't get that wrong.) But does the same amount of tears fall for a teen boy who committed suicide for being bullied for being too ugly?

Both are tragic,no?