Anime Central Forums: Nerds and Male Priveledge...a discussion - Anime Central Forums

Jump to content

  • 5 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • Last »
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • This topic is locked

Nerds and Male Priveledge...a discussion

#1 User is offline   OtakuAngelD 

  • Regular
  • PipPip
  • Group: Regular
  • Member No.: 59232
  • Posts: 128
  • Joined: 01-January 11

Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:11 PM

http://kotaku.com/58...-male-privilege

Read and discuss. I found this to be a very interesting and thought provoking article.
2014 ---
Sandshrew - Pokemon
Mink - DMMD
Reborn - KHR

#2 User is offline   DarkMimi 

  • Regular
  • PipPip
  • Group: Regular
  • Member No.: 38289
  • Posts: 160
  • Joined: 12-September 09
  • Location:The World of Columbia

Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:33 PM

That IS an interesting article, I was thinking of doing something along these lines for my own blog but this will do ^_^

Now as a woman, I concur that the special treatment of women is taking it a step too far if we ARE included in the nerdy/geek community whereas on the other spectrum being treated as if you aren't knowledgeable is also out of line. The point of this article, in my opinion, is that women need to be treated as EQUALS and not one biased end of a scale.

2014 Cosplay Plans
Bioshock Infinite - Daisy Fitzroy (0% Completed)
Batman - Talia Al Gul (0% Completed)
Princess Peach: Military Style (0% Completed)

Playing: Animal Crossing: New Leaf, Pokemon X, and Borderlands 2
Subscribe to my YouTube Channel! HERE!!!
I <3 Friends Who Keep In Touch

#3 User is offline   chainedbyroses 

  • Special Needs Staff
  • PipPip
  • Group: ACen Staff
  • Member No.: 11017
  • Posts: 441
  • Joined: 08-May 07
  • Location:Chicago

Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:33 PM

The male bullcrap mentioned in this article is precisely why I stopped playing multiplayer/online modes of TF2, Left For Dead (2), and online games in general. The orders to "get back to the kitchen b*tch" at every slight thing considered an "infraction" from the moment my voice blew the secret of my gender, the "blow me/learn to shoot you f**king p*nsy p**sy" if I missed a snipe/shot on running target, the "LOL DEAD WHOAR" if I died, the "f**king f**got distracted me with fake t*ts" excuses (regardless of what gender character I played as) if they blew a shot, etc etc... I think I'll pass, thanks. Now I only play with people I know personally, and who know I could kick their keesters if they try to pull that crap. Kinda makes me hate being a female, and extremely reluctant to turn on my microphone, or answer if I'm asked if I happen to be female.

And it's a damn shame.

Not to mention infuriating that I essentially have to "deceive" people into thinking I have a penis to suddenly become a valid human being. *rage*
Special Needs/ADA Staff 2014 | Thurs-Sun @ DESCC Registration Hall
• 2014 cosplay • || Marvel/Cap2: Natasha (hoodie, jacket) || Supernatural: Meg 2.0; Dean

""Why is 6 afraid of 7?" .....Well, I would suppose it's because 7 is a prime number, and prime numbers can be intimidating..." - Castiel

#4 User is offline   YoungBirdcall 

  • Sempai
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Sempai
  • Member No.: 59429
  • Posts: 539
  • Joined: 02-February 11
  • Location:Chicago, IL

Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:56 PM

I read that article when it was first uploaded to Kotaku, and it is really well thought-out. Male privilege in gaming seems to be one of the last "acceptable" (i.e. unnoticed or unfixed) types of misogyny, which is depressing on so many levels. The fact that women have to take strides to ensure that they won't be outed as a woman, for fear of harassment, is unacceptable.
"Thursday Late Night Meet 'n Greet" O.G. (the one at the bar, not that pancake one)

#5 User is offline   FlyingElf 

  • Honorary Forum Therapist
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Obsessed
  • Member No.: 447
  • Posts: 3,884
  • Joined: 19-May 03
  • Location:Utica, MI

Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:02 AM

Pretty well written article overall.

As much as he wants to proclaim it exists in all aspects of nerd fandom, anime is perhaps the one where it is lessened. Yes it exists, yes there are still those annoying white knight guys who feel like they have to be the savior of every damsel in distress, but anime is like the only nerd faction where there are actually more women then men. At least publicly. Anime conventions typically have a larger female than male attendance.

Its still a problem and any sensible human being will tell you as such. Being that I am also quite into video games, the way women get treated is abysmal. Every guy wants that girlfriend who plays video games, yet do everything they can to alienate her and make her not want to play video games.

And I don't mean to sound like that annoying guy, but seriously, most of the gender jokes are played out. Get back to the kitchen, women can't be on the internet, lolololololol. You're unfunny and unoriginal. If you're going to be joking about it, at least come up with some new material.

On the flip side to this article, for every one instance you hear of people doing that and complaining about it, there are 10 people who respond who don't do that. People tend to remember the bad and not the good. I'm a fairly avid League of Legends player who often plays with 1 or more female teammates. I hardly ever see them get harassed for it. And we're said to have one of the worst communities out there.

The other flip side to this article is how many women play up their sexuality for in game favors. If we're going to ostracize men for their faults, its important to note the women who do this as well, especially in MMOs.

The point is that the whole gender issue is crap. Who cares what race, sexuality, gender, whatever your teammate is as long as they play try their best to win and we all have fun.
Armageddicon!!
Columbus, OH December 21-23, 2012
http://animepunch.org/armageddicon/

#6 User is offline   myrla 

  • Ace
  • PipPip
  • Group: Ace
  • Member No.: 60134
  • Posts: 265
  • Joined: 04-May 11
  • Location:Austin, TX

Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:03 AM

The entire gaming world is so misogynistic, the word "rape" is allowed completely out of context.

As a survivor of a brutal rape, I report and block anyone who ever says it while I play an MMO/XBL game.

But, apparently, I'm the one that makes a huge deal out of nothing, and I've been kicked out of groups for protesting people use the word.

Articles like this sadly only reinforce the stereotypes. What gamers need to do is embrace each other, male and female alike, and enjoy our shared love of gaming. Doesn't matter if you have a Y chromosome or not.
ACen 2013: Panel denied. Not attending.

ACen 2012 Cosplay: Doctor Who: Tooth and Claw Rose (Friday) | Firefly: Inara (Saturday) | Lolita (Sunday)
Panelist: Final Fantasy MMORPG

ACen 2011 Cosplay:
Tooth and Claw Rose (Doctor Who) | Miwako (Paradise Kiss) | Luna Lovegood (Harry Potter)
Panelist: Final Fantasy MMORPG

#7 User is offline   YoungBirdcall 

  • Sempai
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Sempai
  • Member No.: 59429
  • Posts: 539
  • Joined: 02-February 11
  • Location:Chicago, IL

Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:10 AM

View Postmyrla, on 05 April 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

The entire gaming world is so misogynistic, the word "rape" is allowed completely out of context.

As a survivor of a brutal rape, I report and block anyone who ever says it while I play an MMO/XBL game.

But, apparently, I'm the one that makes a huge deal out of nothing, and I've been kicked out of groups for protesting people use the word.

Articles like this sadly only reinforce the stereotypes. What gamers need to do is embrace each other, male and female alike, and enjoy our shared love of gaming. Doesn't matter if you have a Y chromosome or not.


Well-said
"Thursday Late Night Meet 'n Greet" O.G. (the one at the bar, not that pancake one)

#8 User is offline   The Fujoshi 

  • Sage
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Sage
  • Member No.: 59284
  • Posts: 1,978
  • Joined: 09-January 11
  • Location:где-то в Соединенных Штатах Америки

Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:36 AM

View Postmyrla, on 05 April 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

The entire gaming world is so misogynistic, the word "rape" is allowed completely out of context.

As a survivor of a brutal rape, I report and block anyone who ever says it while I play an MMO/XBL game.

But, apparently, I'm the one that makes a huge deal out of nothing, and I've been kicked out of groups for protesting people use the word.

Articles like this sadly only reinforce the stereotypes. What gamers need to do is embrace each other, male and female alike, and enjoy our shared love of gaming. Doesn't matter if you have a Y chromosome or not.


This

Sadly I read this article and I had to relate because this can relate to a lot of things: online and other wise. When I play MMO games as a girl, a lot of guys expect me to either be a guy or that I must be a hot girl with a big rack that is lonely and needs a man in life.

I wish that girls and guys who are nerds could get along without being bias.
ACen 2013 Cosplay:
Hero from SMT: DS2, Emmet/Kudari from Pokemon Black and White, Roppi Izaya from Durarara, Hitoshura human form from SMT.

All the random avatars this time are from LJ and I don't own any of them. Some of the avatars are credit to aristocracy, Taku ♫ arthursandwich, noxjustxnoin, imperial-code, dojicons, narrante, dino-cookie, shiroyuki_kun, takerzmuse, and ushitora_icons at LJ. I DON'T OWN ANY OF THE ICONS.


Currently into and playing: All Megaten games, Blazblue series, and P4MU. Waiting for: Pokemon BW2 and BB3.

#9 User is offline   Wingy Baby 

  • Panel Programming ADH
  • PipPip
  • Group: Forum Staff
  • Member No.: 4396
  • Posts: 319
  • Joined: 01-May 05
  • Location:Chicago-ish

Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

I refuse to talk in Vent these days when I do actually play WoW (not just because I'm female, but also because of an occasional stutter) simply because I don't want to be treated any differently or be hit on. Unfortunately, people eventually figure out my gender and that's when it's a coin toss. The older ones tend not to care but the youngins? Blows their mind when the tank/warlock has boobs and is in their group. Especially if I'm the tank (guess it's such a male role, especially since the tank is usually the leader and lordy, can't have the females doing that!). And how they show it isn't fun...

I also explode when someone decides to use the word "rape" so casually, since a family memeber is a rape survivor. And of course, I'm simply overreacting when I boot them out of the guild or snap at them in raid and should just calm my silly female feelings.

Sigh.
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before."
- Mae West

#10 User is offline   myrla 

  • Ace
  • PipPip
  • Group: Ace
  • Member No.: 60134
  • Posts: 265
  • Joined: 04-May 11
  • Location:Austin, TX

Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:54 PM

View PostWingy Baby, on 05 April 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I refuse to talk in Vent these days when I do actually play WoW (not just because I'm female, but also because of an occasional stutter) simply because I don't want to be treated any differently or be hit on. Unfortunately, people eventually figure out my gender and that's when it's a coin toss. The older ones tend not to care but the youngins? Blows their mind when the tank/warlock has boobs and is in their group. Especially if I'm the tank (guess it's such a male role, especially since the tank is usually the leader and lordy, can't have the females doing that!). And how they show it isn't fun...

I also explode when someone decides to use the word "rape" so casually, since a family memeber is a rape survivor. And of course, I'm simply overreacting when I boot them out of the guild or snap at them in raid and should just calm my silly female feelings.

Sigh.


Fellow stutterer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *HUGS* I am with you on that.
ACen 2013: Panel denied. Not attending.

ACen 2012 Cosplay: Doctor Who: Tooth and Claw Rose (Friday) | Firefly: Inara (Saturday) | Lolita (Sunday)
Panelist: Final Fantasy MMORPG

ACen 2011 Cosplay:
Tooth and Claw Rose (Doctor Who) | Miwako (Paradise Kiss) | Luna Lovegood (Harry Potter)
Panelist: Final Fantasy MMORPG

#11 User is offline   Visadin the insane 

  • Ace
  • PipPip
  • Group: Ace
  • Member No.: 46337
  • Posts: 278
  • Joined: 20-December 09
  • Location:Park ridge, IL

Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:55 PM

i do play wow, and it true most people that i ues to play with show very little respect to females in general, i had this guy, let call him dickweed, since he is a manpart and smoke weed (and racist). anyways our guild have females gamers, a ton of them, most of them have boyfriends that also play with them, dickweed will flatout say in guild and in vent that he feels female wow players are worse at the game then males. and it not a joke. really me and the regalers really joke around with female gamers in the guild, we be like "ah a gril hide the porn!" or something like that in a very al bundy way. hell for a joke i use to hit on this girls boyfriend as a satire on the "gamer boys will always try to hit on gamer girls".

but this guy was just scum, the idea he knows that females gamers are worse players then male conterpart is just the top, he also yelled at the top of his lungs for this girl to goback to the kithen, he is also very racist, ues the N word more then a kind man says please and thank you.

some people i tell ya.
ACEN 2012 cosplay: white mage (FF), male pokemon trainer (pokemon black)

#12 User is offline   OtakuAngelD 

  • Regular
  • PipPip
  • Group: Regular
  • Member No.: 59232
  • Posts: 128
  • Joined: 01-January 11

Posted 05 April 2012 - 02:54 PM

This happens outside of WOW and other online games.

I for one play Old School Dice Games. Dungeons and Dragons. Rifts. World of Darkness. 7th Sea.

Dice Nerd games, as I am one. It happens there as well, sadly. For one, in my experience, there aren't too many female Dice Nerds out there (let alone single ones), most the ones I've met are playing in the game because their boyfriend is also playing. So the reaction is one of two things. Either I am treated as if I have no idea how to play the games (all of which I know very very well) and any mistake or bad roll I make is because I'm a n00b and a girl) or I am seen as the "desiginated love interest" within the party and the other characters want to hook up with mine because I'll obviously play to my gender.

And even on that level, it is also always assumed that when I play, I will play a "magic character" such as a wizard or sorcerer and that my race will be a "pretty race" such as Elves, humans, halfelves etc. That a girl (ghasp!) might play a male "Meatsheild" (barbarian/fighter) is just unheard of. And while I've personally never experienced it, I have heard from other female gamers that they have had that awkward time where the DM/GM will offer to give them extra XP/A cool item/what have you...if they give them "favors" in return.
2014 ---
Sandshrew - Pokemon
Mink - DMMD
Reborn - KHR

#13 User is offline   Wingy Baby 

  • Panel Programming ADH
  • PipPip
  • Group: Forum Staff
  • Member No.: 4396
  • Posts: 319
  • Joined: 01-May 05
  • Location:Chicago-ish

Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:34 PM

View Postmyrla, on 05 April 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Fellow stutterer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *HUGS* I am with you on that.


Haha, 2 learning disabilities - word recall and auditory processing. Most people don't believe me since I had such excellent speech therapy for years and I'm a genius at reading comprehension. :3
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before."
- Mae West

#14 User is offline   vipstancecom 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Newbie
  • Member No.: 61858
  • Posts: 14
  • Joined: 04-April 12

Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:02 PM

"Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus."

Is it safe to say that there are far more males that play video games and read comic books, than females? If you were a large corporation, is your goal to increase revenues or to care about people's feelings? Men are attracted to women physically and women are attracted to men emotionally. Women are depicted that way due to the target demographics. It's all marketing. It really sucks and I don't condone this sort of behavior for even a fraction of a second, but honestly, if the corporations I hold stocks in came out one day and said, "we decided not to care about profits anymore, but instead decided to care only about people's feelings," chances are that my stocks in the company would plummet the next day and I would be one pissed off shareholder. Is it because I'm inconsiderate and insensitive? Absolutely not! I was raised by women all my life. A woman is someone's daughter, mother, sister, aunt, niece, or grandma. I buy stocks for the sole purpose of profits. Companies are in business for the sole purpose of profits. It's a reality, whether you plan to accept it or not.

Women were considered housewives almost 50 years ago. In those days, women would take care of the children, the house, the food, the laundry, etc. (not because they wanted to, but because the society did not allow them to hold jobs or careers). Men were the breadwinners. They brought the monetary income, home. Educated, steady jobs, etc. Ladies, the next time a man tries to stereotype you for a 50 year old (dead) culture of America, tell them you will. Tell them you will go back to the kitchen and clean something, as long as they get their lazy a$$ off the couch and get an education, a steady job, and provide for you. Guys, if you can't provide a comfortable life for your woman, shut up and make your own d*mn sandwich. It's like legos, it's not hard to do. If you can't, I'd say you have bigger things in life to worry about.

I know how guys can be. Put a whole bunch of alpha male wannabes together, protected behind a computer screen. Talking about how tough they are and degrading women. Safely tucked away behind an IP address. They could never tell you to go back to the kitchen in a heavily populated area because of guys like me (and there are a lot of us) that'll have no problem slapping them sideways. Women will love you and revolve their entire world around you, but you have the responsibility of making them feel safe in your arms. You have the responsibility of maintaining their happiness and being their level of support. My mother used to always tell me... when someone helps you, you help them back. When a woman loves you, you love them back twice. When someone hurts her, you kill him three times. (Sounds better in Korean). =D

All in all, regardless of how media depicts men and women, reality is what matters. Truth is, nothing in life is free and almost everything is a trade-off.

Women, if you want to be pursued, take care of yourself. You don't have to dress like a concubine. Just be healthy. Work out regularly, don't be so pessimistic about everything that happens in life. Be the girl in the jeans, t-shirt, and baseball cap because you'll get MY attention if we end up talking and you're a really sweet person. If you dress like a comic book woman, you'll be treated like one. You may have to wait longer for a guy like me to notice you in plain clothes, but I promise you, guys like me are worth waiting for. If not, there's always the latter.

Men, you want to be an alpha male (I know you all do). Degrading women and being tough behind a computer screen is not alpha male, it's not even respectable. The only people that find it amusing are you and your friends. No one is telling you to change. If there weren't people like you, guys like me would have soft knuckles, so we thank you. Comic book women and real women are different. If you want to fall in love with a real woman, learn real values like respect, manners, kindness, sensitivity. Leave the tough fighter attributes for when they matter. If you're more into comic book women and the degradation of, well, let's hope you never lose your right hand.

This post has been edited by vipstancecom: 05 April 2012 - 06:05 PM


#15 User is offline   Kii 

  • Addict
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Addict
  • Member No.: 33629
  • Posts: 955
  • Joined: 07-July 09

Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:19 AM

Haha.Hahaha.
Oh man.

Damn Thread's fearless leaderReluctant Member of the Little Maids CorpsUGUU~
ACen 2013 Cosplay: LOL whatever I manage to throw together at this point...-_-;;

#16 User is offline   DaphHime 

  • Registration
  • PipPip
  • Group: ACen Staff
  • Member No.: 303
  • Posts: 336
  • Joined: 03-May 03
  • Location:Western Suburbs of Chicago (AKA Boring!), IL

Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:49 AM

View PostWingy Baby, on 05 April 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I refuse to talk in Vent these days when I do actually play WoW (not just because I'm female, but also because of an occasional stutter) simply because I don't want to be treated any differently or be hit on. Unfortunately, people eventually figure out my gender and that's when it's a coin toss. The older ones tend not to care but the youngins? Blows their mind when the tank/warlock has boobs and is in their group. Especially if I'm the tank (guess it's such a male role, especially since the tank is usually the leader and lordy, can't have the females doing that!). And how they show it isn't fun...

I also explode when someone decides to use the word "rape" so casually, since a family memeber is a rape survivor. And of course, I'm simply overreacting when I boot them out of the guild or snap at them in raid and should just calm my silly female feelings.

Sigh.


Never really had a problem in vent playing WoW, but only because my guild is pretty awesome and I rarely speak on vent in PUGs, except to say hi or if something is of urgent importance. I does help that the GM of my guild is also female and doesn't take that kind of junk from anyone. There was a crack made last raid I was in about the only females in the group being healers, but only because it was purely a coincidence (my main is a hunter, we were low on healers that night). In PUGs however it's a whole different story. I find it both sad and amusing the reactions I get when they find out the tank is a skinny little blood elf. :P Fortunately I haven't had anything overly negative, and when I do it's usually a sign to drop group. Let their rude behinds sit and wait for another tank/healer to come along.

I also rarely talk in vent due to a slight stutter/speech impediment. Though I seem to do it more when speaking in vent then talking IRL.

The difference in genders between anime and video games is also something I've noticed. The overt "alpha male" (ha) attitudes tend to drive a lot of female gamers away. Myself included. Anime just strikes me as a bit more all inclusive in that regard. Not to say that sexism there doesn't exist as well.
Acen Registration Staff 2010-???
Poss. cosplays: Marie (Soul Eater), Ukraine (Hetalia), Anri (DRRR!!), usual Gintama stuff.

Currently watching Soul Eater, Hetaila, Gintama, Durarara!!
Currently playing World of Warcraft (Sarhime/Syirens/Daphime (all Horde) @ Ravencrest if you want to look me up. :) )

Twitter//Facebook//Livejournal (friends only, but feel free to add!)

#17 User is offline   vipstancecom 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Newbie
  • Member No.: 61858
  • Posts: 14
  • Joined: 04-April 12

Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:13 AM

View PostDaphHime, on 09 April 2012 - 01:49 AM, said:

The overt "alpha male" (ha) attitudes tend to drive a lot of female gamers away. Myself included.


They are not alpha males. Alpha males are leaders. What do leaders do? They sacrafice themselves before others. People that make fun of others are NOT leaders. Therefore, they aren't alpha males. I think the word Alpha male gets a bad rep on these forums because they're wrongly represented.

This post has been edited by vipstancecom: 09 April 2012 - 02:18 AM


#18 User is offline   Voxx 

  • Iron Chef
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Iron Chef
  • Member No.: 16994
  • Posts: 6,202
  • Joined: 28-January 08
  • Location:traveling in the TARDIS

Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:41 AM

I don't use any live chat in any game because I usually end up being called derogatory homosexual slurs because of my female voice... Some guys just can't comprehend that girls play video games...and whip 'em at it. Or maybe I just really do sound like a gay guy over chat lol..but there's more to why I don't do chat. There's just to much bs and whining on it. For a hobby supposedly filled with the majority of males in it their sure are a lot of whiney kids and cat fights.

The 'male privilege' will always exist in some ways but honestly, with gaming becoming more widespread, this will slowly decrease. Look at how many more people in general play more games like on the iPhone and FB! There's a huge community of women that play games on fb like farmville. I was so surprised when my Mom was so avid about a game! I told her that shed love Harvest Moon then. With technology being so easily at hand older non gamers are now introduced to something they can play and understand. Sure most games will appeal to the male population and that's just marketing. Go to a toys r us. You can easily tell which aisle is for boys and which massive sea of pink is for girls. That's just how it is. I never let that stop me from playing with boy toys even if some characters are huge breasted fanservice girls. So I guess the only way for the gaming industry to really change and make it treat everyone equally it is society that has to change first because the gaming industry caters to their customers like any other business.
Allons-y Sugar Pea!

#19 User is offline   Dark Stranger 

  • Sage
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Sage
  • Member No.: 7281
  • Posts: 1,956
  • Joined: 16-May 06
  • Location:Ft. Wayne, IN.

Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:16 PM

Ugh, this talk again. While yeah i get that there are very sexist males that play video games or into nerd culture, i'm just REEEALLLLY sick of people complaing about this. I'm playing my game or watching my anime, etc to relax from busting my butt working over 40 hours sometimes to just survive and nothing ruins that more then someone complianing about something someone said. We live in a age where if you don't like something someone is saying, you can just mute them ya know. I've used the term rape in gaming if we are really getting our butts kicked. And I know this might sound rude to people but it doesn't matter to me if you know someone who was raped or whatever, I'm just talking about my game. That's it, no blasting women or making fun of rape or whatever so i'd like if you didn't make a big fuss over it.

While I know im only ranting about one part of this argument, the real issue shouldn't be a issue at all. Take for instance that guy who said something sexist to a female contender in a tournoment. Then when confronted said something along the lines of, "you can't ecapse it [sexisim] in fighting games. It's there, deal with it". And instead of everyone saying, "wow that guys a jerk". They instead throw up all these lines like, "why can't we nerds be better then this?" or "Why is nerd culture still so sexist?" or so on. All they do is try and connect some sort of line in whatever social thing be it sexism, racism, or whatever in nerd culture instead of just judging that person for their own actions. Stop assuming something is wrong with my culture and just start looking at the person instead of what they surround themselves with.

end rant.
"It's better to be used then to be useless."
Member of the J-Rock Fan Alliance
cosplay list: Zaraki Kenpachi, Umehito Nekozawa,Sergent Helmeppo, and Time wrap Rossui
Staff at Ikasucon,World Steam, and Youmacon
Part of GUTG's Bear Calvary.
Furture cosplays: Impel Down Mr.3....40% complete

#20 User is offline   vipstancecom 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Newbie
  • Member No.: 61858
  • Posts: 14
  • Joined: 04-April 12

Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:36 PM

Bad day at the job, huh?^^^

#21 User is offline   Scott 

  • Sempai
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Sempai
  • Member No.: 9607
  • Posts: 757
  • Joined: 02-March 07
  • Location:Rockford, IL

Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:39 PM

Pretty decent article. I'd personally like to see more clothing on females in games, even just for the functional aspect the article author mentioned. Who in the right mind would participate in a world fighting tournament wearing something like a bra and g-string? :lol:

I very rarely play online multi-player games, so I'm a bit oblivious to how some men act when they know a woman is playing. I can guess it goes as the article author says, at least some of the time.


I think I agree with the comment by Shinta more than the article itself.


On a related note, why are some Anime like Panty & Stocking so popular and cosplayed so much? Even just the name itself (and the outfits...) puts women into a certain type of sex-related box (I haven't seen the show, so I have no idea about the content).

#22 User is offline   FlyingElf 

  • Honorary Forum Therapist
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Obsessed
  • Member No.: 447
  • Posts: 3,884
  • Joined: 19-May 03
  • Location:Utica, MI

Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:57 PM

I feel this image is appropriate

Posted Image
Armageddicon!!
Columbus, OH December 21-23, 2012
http://animepunch.org/armageddicon/

#23 User is offline   Dark Stranger 

  • Sage
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Sage
  • Member No.: 7281
  • Posts: 1,956
  • Joined: 16-May 06
  • Location:Ft. Wayne, IN.

Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:09 AM

Captin Janeway FTW!
"It's better to be used then to be useless."
Member of the J-Rock Fan Alliance
cosplay list: Zaraki Kenpachi, Umehito Nekozawa,Sergent Helmeppo, and Time wrap Rossui
Staff at Ikasucon,World Steam, and Youmacon
Part of GUTG's Bear Calvary.
Furture cosplays: Impel Down Mr.3....40% complete

#24 User is offline   Sarahlicious 

  • Lurker
  • Pip
  • Group: Lurker
  • Member No.: 61869
  • Posts: 43
  • Joined: 05-April 12
  • Location:IL

Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:39 AM

I haven't experienced this in the nerd world. I have however experienced it in another predominantly male society - the car world. I have loved cars almost my whole life. I love looking at them, driving them, working on them. I own a modified car, most of the work was done by own little woman hands. That being said I have been and am always talked down to by men (most of whom cannot even change their own oil)and if you think anime/video game girls are dressed too skimpy try having real life girls with "perfect" bodies flaunting their stuff in your face, usually followed by a mob of guys trying to take their photo or grab them in some way. It does create the mindset that there is some image we women have to life up to but the truth is that we really don't. There are strong stereotypes and expectations that exist for both genders. I find it best to deal with that attitude with a quick chuckle and then move on. There's no use getting riled up over things that won't change, and probably shouldn't. Boobies are pretty awesome after all. :thumbup:
2012 C2E2/ACen/Wizard World Claire Redfield: RE Darkside Chronicles
2013 C2E2/ACen/AM/Wizard World Lara Croft [Tomb Raider 2013]
2014 C2E2/ACen/AM/Wizard World Lance Corporal Levi: Attack On Titan

#25 User is offline   Scott 

  • Sempai
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Sempai
  • Member No.: 9607
  • Posts: 757
  • Joined: 02-March 07
  • Location:Rockford, IL

Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

View PostFlyingElf, on 11 April 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

I feel this image is appropriate

Posted Image


Captain Janeway is a great example of a strong female lead. :thumbup:


View PostSarahlicious, on 12 April 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

I haven't experienced this in the nerd world. I have however experienced it in another predominantly male society - the car world. I have loved cars almost my whole life. I love looking at them, driving them, working on them. I own a modified car, most of the work was done by own little woman hands. That being said I have been and am always talked down to by men (most of whom cannot even change their own oil)and if you think anime/video game girls are dressed too skimpy try having real life girls with "perfect" bodies flaunting their stuff in your face, usually followed by a mob of guys trying to take their photo or grab them in some way. It does create the mindset that there is some image we women have to life up to but the truth is that we really don't. There are strong stereotypes and expectations that exist for both genders. I find it best to deal with that attitude with a quick chuckle and then move on. There's no use getting riled up over things that won't change, and probably shouldn't. Boobies are pretty awesome after all. :thumbup:


I use to buy the occasional tuner magazine. I bet it is a lot worse than the anime/scifi culture.

I'm curious as to what your car is. I've never modified my cars for various reasons, but usually buy something that has a similar style (right now an Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart, an EVO was too expensive).

This post has been edited by Scott: 12 April 2012 - 11:11 AM


#26 User is offline   Dark Spellmaster 

  • Sage
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Sage
  • Member No.: 24895
  • Posts: 1,131
  • Joined: 26-February 09
  • Location:Cicero

Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:12 PM

Janeway is awesome, science fiction (both in Comics, anime and other mediums) do tend to have more serious female roles that are not overtly dressed sexy or act in a sexual way. I didn't really experience any negativity at my old comic shop, mostly because the owners were an older married hippy couple.

On the videogame side of things, I go back to the whole issue with the fighting community. Again I think a lot of the whole thing about Comics and games comes from the idea that they were ment more for boys. Women's comics were pulled down after the 50s and 60s, since less women started to read them. Although there has been some headway, see the new awesome Captian Marvel in the form of Carol Danvers, or Wonder Woman, there's still some work to be done. I remember reading an article in Wizard years ago, in it the then Editor of the Avengers stated that the then EIC, Joe Qusada, stated that he wanted one artist to draw because of the way he drew women's boobs. <_< Ah...what? That's like someone hiring a manga artist for a Shojo and saying, "Oh hire here because she draws good crotch shots."
~@~ Delightfully Playing: Prima-Vocaloid 0%, Mew-Two 80%, Muppeters -100% -2014 ~@~
~*@*~ 2013:The Riddler, Muppeters, Mew-Two 2012: The Riddler, Shadow Fairy 2011: Rinslet from Black Cat, Carmen Sandiego,Wanda from Fairly Odd Parents. 2010: Younger Walter, Carmen Sandiego. 2009: Goku from Saiyuki~*@*~

DEVIL MAY CRY SAGA PANEL 2013


Pardon the Pause is a Podcast that focuses on Geek culture:
Pardon the Pause

#27 User is offline   Kaay-chan 

  • Sempai
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Sempai
  • Member No.: 28448
  • Posts: 645
  • Joined: 23-April 09
  • Location:In front of my computer

Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:45 AM

View PostDark Stranger, on 09 April 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Ugh, this talk again. While yeah i get that there are very sexist males that play video games or into nerd culture, i'm just REEEALLLLY sick of people complaing about this. I'm playing my game or watching my anime, etc to relax from busting my butt working over 40 hours sometimes to just survive and nothing ruins that more then someone complianing about something someone said. We live in a age where if you don't like something someone is saying, you can just mute them ya know. I've used the term rape in gaming if we are really getting our butts kicked. And I know this might sound rude to people but it doesn't matter to me if you know someone who was raped or whatever, I'm just talking about my game. That's it, no blasting women or making fun of rape or whatever so i'd like if you didn't make a big fuss over it.

While I know im only ranting about one part of this argument, the real issue shouldn't be a issue at all. Take for instance that guy who said something sexist to a female contender in a tournoment. Then when confronted said something along the lines of, "you can't ecapse it [sexisim] in fighting games. It's there, deal with it". And instead of everyone saying, "wow that guys a jerk". They instead throw up all these lines like, "why can't we nerds be better then this?" or "Why is nerd culture still so sexist?" or so on. All they do is try and connect some sort of line in whatever social thing be it sexism, racism, or whatever in nerd culture instead of just judging that person for their own actions. Stop assuming something is wrong with my culture and just start looking at the person instead of what they surround themselves with.

end rant.


*deep breath*

Okay, great. Congratulations. You play games and watch anime to relax from busting your butt. So do I. Except, you don't have to deal with the sexism. For you, the most annoying thing is the complaining. For me, nothing ruins a lovely session of relieving stress and venting frustration at the expense of the lives of some pixels quite like sexist comments. Or getting hit on in what can sometimes be incredibly creepy ways. Being told by random strangers that you're hot, or sexy, or that you should get married, is not an enjoyable experience. Being called a dumb b**** is also not fun. And being told to get in the kitchen and to go make a sandwich is only funny when it's said by a close friend who knows that I know that they're joking (they also know that if I go to the kitchen to make a sandwich, it's so I can eat it in front of them with a smile on my face).

Furthermore? You've probably never had to worry about going to your local game shop alone for fear of being hit on by the guys that frequent the place. Trust me, I'd love to be able to go to my local shop on my own, but the stories I've heard from my friends of their experiences, alone, are enough to keep me from ever feeling comfortable doing so.
Cosplay 2012: Mitsuki Saya (Black Cat), Ryougi Shiki (Kara no Kyoukai)
Cosplay 2013: Ryougi Shiki (Kara no Kyoukai) I didn't have my camera; please send me pictures! ;A;


"A blank piece of paper is God's way of telling us how hard it is to be God."
-Sidney Sheldon



#28 User is offline   Scott 

  • Sempai
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Sempai
  • Member No.: 9607
  • Posts: 757
  • Joined: 02-March 07
  • Location:Rockford, IL

Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:26 AM

View PostKaay-chan, on 13 April 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

*deep breath*

Okay, great. Congratulations. You play games and watch anime to relax from busting your butt. So do I. Except, you don't have to deal with the sexism. For you, the most annoying thing is the complaining. For me, nothing ruins a lovely session of relieving stress and venting frustration at the expense of the lives of some pixels quite like sexist comments. Or getting hit on in what can sometimes be incredibly creepy ways. Being told by random strangers that you're hot, or sexy, or that you should get married, is not an enjoyable experience. Being called a dumb b**** is also not fun. And being told to get in the kitchen and to go make a sandwich is only funny when it's said by a close friend who knows that I know that they're joking (they also know that if I go to the kitchen to make a sandwich, it's so I can eat it in front of them with a smile on my face).

Furthermore? You've probably never had to worry about going to your local game shop alone for fear of being hit on by the guys that frequent the place. Trust me, I'd love to be able to go to my local shop on my own, but the stories I've heard from my friends of their experiences, alone, are enough to keep me from ever feeling comfortable doing so.


Some of that sounds like how society is in general. Men are pushed and expected to be the pursuer in relationship matters, and often the term creepy is a label that gets placed on them. Maybe the difference there is that the men in the gaming culture have a lot less opportunity with women, are more awkward, and are generally not as good at being social than the random person you meet on the street.

The comments about being in a kitchen and the dumb b**** are certainly something that's part of that rude jerk guy culture though.

This post has been edited by Scott: 13 April 2012 - 04:26 PM


#29 User is offline   YoungBirdcall 

  • Sempai
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Sempai
  • Member No.: 59429
  • Posts: 539
  • Joined: 02-February 11
  • Location:Chicago, IL

Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:45 AM

View PostKaay-chan, on 13 April 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

*deep breath*

Okay, great. Congratulations. You play games and watch anime to relax from busting your butt. So do I. Except, you don't have to deal with the sexism. For you, the most annoying thing is the complaining. For me, nothing ruins a lovely session of relieving stress and venting frustration at the expense of the lives of some pixels quite like sexist comments. Or getting hit on in what can sometimes be incredibly creepy ways. Being told by random strangers that you're hot, or sexy, or that you should get married, is not an enjoyable experience.


THIS
"Thursday Late Night Meet 'n Greet" O.G. (the one at the bar, not that pancake one)

#30 User is offline   XenoBlade 

  • Obsessed
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Obsessed
  • Member No.: 9384
  • Posts: 5,066
  • Joined: 15-February 07
  • Location:St.Louis

Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:02 AM

I agree with both kaaychan and dark stranger at points. What id like to add there is an inverse. Not sexism, but stereotyping. A guy commented on the kotaku article an brought up a point, guys have to deal "nerd basement dweller" comments. Now im not saying sexism isn't an issue, and that stereotypical comments are a great equalizer, but there are crap flung at both genders.

Wanted to add, I dunno how often guys hit on you, but also as Scott said, it's how nature works. Are they being respectful? Then years of socialization is to blame, but if its whistles and obvious "hey girl, let me holla at ya" then I see the problem. Seeing a girl interested in games (coming from a society where other girls look down at it) some might try to jump at it. Is it annoying to you? Maybe, but how are they suppose to know. Yeah you want to go and be left alone, but as long as it is respectful, its not hurtful. (convince other girls to be the pursuer and it might calm down. Lol we know that won't happen. Btw that was a joke before someone gets butthurt. Lol)

Edit: okay it is disrespectful, yeah most what I said was moot. Tho to those who do have respectful ones, what I said applies.

This post has been edited by XenoBlade: 13 April 2012 - 11:12 AM

ACen 2013 Cosplays
Dragon Ball Z-Piccolo
Zero Escape 2: Virtue's Last Reward-Sigma
3rd cosplay:Either Zoro(One Piece),Sazh(Final Fantasy XIII), or Gintoki(Gintama).
"Sometimes I do suspect, I'm an actor in a well scripted live divine comedy..."-Shing02

  • 5 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • Last »
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • This topic is locked

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users