[anthony886]

the raves can be pretty fun, LOL but me and my friends are usually pretty hammered when we go in. and even though dancing isn't exactly "my thing" i still like to let loss and have a good time.

also don't keep talking about people as "nerds" and "norms", LOL were just people, there just people, and come on, if everyone who has ever watched anime is a "nerd" then who would be a "norm" in this generation? think about it, how many kids watched dragon ball z when they were 10, i only thought about is as an anime and not a cartoon like 2 weeks ago when i saw the manga at barns and noble. o ya plus tons of kids watched sailor moon, speed racer(mainly parents generation) and hamtaro was also probably Japanese(judging by the name i really don't know)

I'd say try the rave for a while, if your old enough maybe hit the hotel bar first, and if you like it then stay, if not well you only live once. Also bring friends to chill with but don't be afraid to talk to other people as well.

[skyrune83]

OK, so I attended Anime Milwaukee over the weekend, and because of the comments on here, I thought I would check out the rave and do some observing. Here's a rundown of my experience:

I decided to take a quick nap before heading to the rave around midnight. I did, then proceeded over the skywalk from the hotel to the con center. Due to an unknown medical emergency though, the walkway was blocked off. This one guy turned away from the blocked door and came towards me saying "hey bro, he's not letting anyone pass by. I just wanna RAVE, man!" And we both turned and went back to go outside the hotel and around, and it seemed like the guy knew every random half-stoned person who came by, repeating how he'd been "denied his rave."

Anyway, made it to the rave, with no line, I go inside, but the staff at the door says I need to line up. Okay, so I was first in line. No problem. Then a few more guys try to go in and are told to line up too. And they responded EXACTLY in the same manner as the earlier guy: "I just wanna rave, let me in! Stupid staff!"

So then a few minutes later, we went in, and the people were of course having fun. Some were moving around a bit, some were spinning around colored things. Some were chatting. Some were just watching the DJ and crew on stage. I walked around the room to see if there was an opportunity for me to join, but with the bass knocking my organs out of their sockets, I really didn't feel like chatting, nor did I feel like I could. The colorful lights were certainly cool, and the music was pretty good. They played a remix of the Zelda Hyrule theme - very nice. But then after trying it out and feeling bored and with no desire to "dance", I went across the hall to a panel.

So, I wanted to share my experience here. Basically, here are my current thoughts:
1.) The people who like raves apparently like them so much that they get feisty if they are "denied" their right to rave. (Are these really nice people to hang out with?)
2.) The lights are pretty.
3.) The music is not bad, for the most part.
4.) Why does the bass have to make my heart leap up and down? Feels like I'm gonna have a heart attack...
5.) I feel no urge to "dance" or "let loose". Is this because only people who like exercise enjoy raving?
6.) Those who are raving do not look like they are in a position to be talked to. They look like they are "caught in the moment", so why bother them?
7.) Based on anthony886's comment above, why would I want to make friends with people who are hammered?

This post has been edited by skyrune83: 21 February 2012 - 02:15 PM

[MsLovelyCookie]

Alll I can say to you ^^^ after reading all that is to try Acen's Soap Bubble each "rave" is different. This is why its better to go with friends then by yourself. Sure some people go drunk but what can you do about it. All you need to worry about is if you are having fun or not.

[Wingy Baby]

Hey.
Hey.

I am the most fun drunk you will ever meet, thankyouverymuch.
I compliment, I apologize for transgressions I made ten years ago, I talk about philosophy with the slightest slur.
Then I go to sleep.
No crying, no drama - just kindness and sleep.

Not everyone or every rave is the same. You saw a vocal minority and it seems you're refusing to see the majority while making sweeping generalizations to justify your disinterest. It's okay to just not be interested. Really.
Not everyone will be lined up at Soapbubble complaining about not getting their "rave on." (Really, who talks like that?) Not everyone is going to be drunk with a lampshade on their head. And once you stop concentrating so much on the scientific reasons for dancing and just go with it, you'll have fun.
Or don't.

No need to view it so negatively tho. :\

[FlyingElf]

Wingy,

Are you insinuating there is something wrong with getting drunk and putting a lampshade on your head?

[Wingy Baby]

FlyingElf, on 21 February 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Wingy,

Are you insinuating there is something wrong with getting drunk and putting a lampshade on your head?

Come now Elf.
You know me better than that.

It's only wrong if the lampshade is on and your hair is on fire.

Even then, that's debatable.

[Alkaren Hyralt]

skyrune83, on 21 February 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

OK, so I attended Anime Milwaukee over the weekend, and because of the comments on here, I thought I would check out the ̶r̶a̶v̶e̶ dance and do some observing. Here's a rundown of my experience:

It's is a dance and not a rave. You are dancing, not "raving". Just because other people call something incorrectly doesn't mean you should continue being wrong.

But good for you for trying it. I'll tell you right off the bat that no other con's dance is like the soap bubble.

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I decided to take a quick nap before heading to the ̶r̶a̶v̶e̶ dance around midnight. I did, then proceeded over the skywalk from the hotel to the con center. Due to an unknown medical emergency though, the walkway was blocked off. This one guy turned away from the blocked door and came towards me saying "hey bro, he's not letting anyone pass by. I just wanna RAVE, man!" And we both turned and went back to go outside the hotel and around, and it seemed like the guy knew every random half-stoned person who came by, repeating how he'd been "denied his rave."

Nice to see you're starting out judging others before even getting to the dance, so I know exactly where this was likely going to go. But, based on your posts I'm fairly confident you wouldn't know someone legit stoned as just someone who doesn't appear totally bright eyed and..awake? But the other guy at least seems outgoing and such and seems to have made friends with others at the convention. Perhaps you could learn something from him as it seems making friends is your big goal.

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Anyway, made it to the ̶r̶a̶v̶e̶ dance, with no line, I go inside, but the staff at the door says I need to line up. Okay, so I was first in line. No problem. Then a few more guys try to go in and are told to line up too. And they responded EXACTLY in the same manner as the earlier guy: "I just wanna rave, let me in! Stupid staff!"

People get belligerent and disrespectful of staff like at every con. News at 11.

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So then a few minutes later, we went in, and the people were of course having fun. Some were moving around a bit, some were spinning around colored things. Some were chatting. Some were just watching the DJ and crew on stage. I walked around the room to see if there was an opportunity for me to join, but with the bass knocking my organs out of their sockets, I really didn't feel like chatting, nor did I feel like I could. The colorful lights were certainly cool, and the music was pretty good. They played a remix of the Zelda Hyrule theme - very nice. But then after trying it out and feeling bored and with no desire to "dance", I went across the hall to a panel.

The colored things you refer to are likely glowsticks, and a lot of people who are actually good at such things are generally happy to teach others how to use them just as a lot of people good at dancing tend to be. The people watching the DJ and such are doing something called trainspotting. And as you don't exactly seem like an outgoing kind of person I'm going to guess there's not going to be an opportunity for you to "join" in on what these people are doing. I'll get to the bass thing in a minute, but I don't know for how long you stayed at their dance. But once again as I said at the start, the soap bubble is not like any other con's dance, because I certainly wouldn't go to the crappy dances of a-kon or animefest for example.

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So, I wanted to share my experience here. Basically, here are my current thoughts:
1.) The people who like raves apparently like them so much that they get feisty if they are "denied" their right to rave. (Are these really nice people to hang out with?)
2.) The lights are pretty.
3.) The music is not bad, for the most part.
4.) Why does the bass have to make my heart leap up and down? Feels like I'm gonna have a heart attack...
5.) I feel no urge to "dance" or "let loose". Is this because only people who like exercise enjoy raving?
6.) Those who are raving do not look like they are in a position to be talked to. They look like they are "caught in the moment", so why bother them?
7.) Based on anthony886's comment above, why would I want to make friends with people who are hammered?

1: Attendees in general get "feisty" with staff members whenever they're told they're not allowed to do whatever the hell they want.
2: That's part of the atmosphere so I would hope so.
3: And different DJs play different kind of music, in which there are a lot of. I'm guessing that this one you went to had a lot of VG and anime remixes and such, which hardcore synergy tends to play more of as opposed to the soap bubble.
4: Various reasons really, a lot that you and other people wouldn't be interested in as it has to do with audio engineering. But to summarize some, the bass has to be loud enough to penetrate the crowd fully as the crowd will absorb a lot of the sound and bass. And at such high noise levels you have to have really loud bass because if the bass is too...well soft it's actually a dangerous thing to the people listening to the music. There are other factors to consider though as well such as bounce back, the Dj and/or the person operating the board may be red-lining their equipment, and that high bass is just part of the music itself.
5: ......No.
6: So dance with them? If you like how they're dancing and want to see if they'll teach you some moves ask them?
7: I think the better question is why would people want to be friends with someone so determined to be judgmental and narrow-minded about them and their choice of fun?

But in the end I gotta go with what Wingy said:

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You saw a vocal minority and it seems you're refusing to see the majority while making sweeping generalizations to justify your disinterest. It's okay to just not be interested. Really.

Really, you don't have to try so hard to hate something other people enjoy.

[Visadin the insane]

When i got drunk at acen last year at elf's party we all thought there was 2 people about to get it on with open windows, nothing went on but it was fun seeing every guy bum rush the blacaney.

but the story is i didn't go to the soap bubble last year, but i may go there, i am not a dancer but i may be with a few friends who also do some small time dj and it cool to be with them during what they like to do becuase i am sure they will be board when i take them to a smash bros torney before the rave where my friends most likely never touch a nintendo system (i burned one of my friends for thinking link is named zelda, this was also in 2009)

i also have friends andknow people that will not be seen dead at a con, my brother was draged during sunday by a friend of his, he is a gizzred outdoor man who lission to slayer, work in welding, and think video games are a complate wraste of time, and he still enjoy his time.

really IMO you should be openminded with the friends you can make, it open both you and the friend to stuff you of him/her may not know about.

This post has been edited by Visadin the insane: 21 February 2012 - 09:33 PM

[linlindesu]

I go for certain DJs so I usually don't end up going to the Soap bubble, just the Hardcore.
If you like"techno" music it is a good place to hear some for free. ( well , you paid for the badge. Make the most of it)
I think the Bubble is a bit over rated but for a convention and not a club, the place does a decent job.


and it is a good place to actually avoid some of the drunks that are around the hyatt. I know that sounds strange but at least you know IRT are everywhere at the dance so if someone creepy comes up you can just use the "I can't hear you" or "I have to meet my friends" excuse and presto! creeper begone.

[skyrune83]

Alkaren Hyralt said:

It's is a dance and not a rave. You are dancing, not "raving". Just because other people call something incorrectly doesn't mean you should continue being wrong.

http://animemilwaukee.com/Rave.html
AMKE calls it a rave, so if you are offended to this wording instance, you should inform Anime Milwaukee staff.

Alkaren Hyralt said:

I think the better question is why would people want to be friends with someone so determined to be judgmental and narrow-minded about them and their choice of fun?

I'm sorry, there is no excuse for being drunk. It is a sign of immaturity and irresponsibility. Although as linlindesu pointed out, the drunks could hang out anywhere, so I'm not criticizing the dance for containing "all" the drunks.

Alkaren Hyralt said:

Really, you don't have to try so hard to hate something other people enjoy.

Um, the whole point of going to AMKE's rave was so that I could try to enjoy it...

This post has been edited by skyrune83: 21 February 2012 - 10:29 PM

[linlindesu]

skyrune83, on 21 February 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

http://animemilwaukee.com/Rave.html
AMKE calls it a rave, so if you are offended to this wording instance, you should inform Anime Milwaukee staff.

The term "rave" usually refers to dances where drugs are involved. Not really offensive per say just not a good PR move if acen ( being the family con it is ) was to say it was hosting one...

[Wingy Baby]

skyrune83, on 21 February 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

I'm sorry, there is no excuse for being drunk. It is a sign of immaturity and irresponsibility. Although as linlindesu pointed out, the drunks could hang out anywhere, so I'm not criticizing the dance for containing "all" the drunks.

Being drunk is a sign of immaturity and irresponsibility?
Holy sweeping generalizations Batman!

In many cultures, there is a great saying - Ἐν οἴνῳ ἀλήθεια. 酒後吐真言. נכנס יין יצא סוד. In vino, vertas. In wine, truth.

Much like going to dances/raves, you don’t have to drink and you don’t have to get drunk.

That’s your choice. But it’s not your place to judge and condemn.

However, my choice, and a dozen and a half other people’s choice is to drink, celebrate and have a good time.
Are we being immature? Perhaps, but when you consider the amount of responsibility, life events, personality types, etc each person is shouldering, sometimes having a drink is a way to relax and cut loose.
And before you cry “Alcoholics!” know that a majority of us understand the risks of excessive drinking and dependency and thus, drink responsibly. No one gets in a car to drive home, no one actually tries to get alcohol poisoning. Mistakes happen, yes, but it isn’t like people are going out their way to hurt themselves like that.

As I can’t necessarily speak for everyone, just for some people I know, I’ll just state that it’s very easy for me to get drunk. A couple sips of vodka and it’s everyone’s favorite person – Drunk Wingy. I just have a low tolerance and a fast metabolism. I know however when to stop and I know my limits. A lot of other people do the same.

Hm, that sounds like the exact opposite of immature and irresponsible to me!

It’s the newbies that are making the social drinkers look bad, but then again, you’re just lumping all of us into a neat little category and judging accordingly.

skyrune83, on 21 February 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

Um, the whole point of going to AMKE's rave was so that I could try to enjoy it...

See, the problem with that statement is you went in with a negative attitude already thanks to that vocal minority and you didn’t enjoy it. And since you didn’t enjoy it, everyone else must be silly for not doing the same.

[anthony886]

skyrune83, on 21 February 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

OK, so I attended Anime Milwaukee over the weekend, and because of the comments on here, I thought I would check out the rave and do some observing. Here's a rundown of my experience:

I decided to take a quick nap before heading to the rave around midnight. I did, then proceeded over the skywalk from the hotel to the con center. Due to an unknown medical emergency though, the walkway was blocked off. This one guy turned away from the blocked door and came towards me saying "hey bro, he's not letting anyone pass by. I just wanna RAVE, man!" And we both turned and went back to go outside the hotel and around, and it seemed like the guy knew every random half-stoned person who came by, repeating how he'd been "denied his rave."

Anyway, made it to the rave, with no line, I go inside, but the staff at the door says I need to line up. Okay, so I was first in line. No problem. Then a few more guys try to go in and are told to line up too. And they responded EXACTLY in the same manner as the earlier guy: "I just wanna rave, let me in! Stupid staff!"

So then a few minutes later, we went in, and the people were of course having fun. Some were moving around a bit, some were spinning around colored things. Some were chatting. Some were just watching the DJ and crew on stage. I walked around the room to see if there was an opportunity for me to join, but with the bass knocking my organs out of their sockets, I really didn't feel like chatting, nor did I feel like I could. The colorful lights were certainly cool, and the music was pretty good. They played a remix of the Zelda Hyrule theme - very nice. But then after trying it out and feeling bored and with no desire to "dance", I went across the hall to a panel.

So, I wanted to share my experience here. Basically, here are my current thoughts:
1.) The people who like raves apparently like them so much that they get feisty if they are "denied" their right to rave. (Are these really nice people to hang out with?)
2.) The lights are pretty.
3.) The music is not bad, for the most part.
4.) Why does the bass have to make my heart leap up and down? Feels like I'm gonna have a heart attack...
5.) I feel no urge to "dance" or "let loose". Is this because only people who like exercise enjoy raving?
6.) Those who are raving do not look like they are in a position to be talked to. They look like they are "caught in the moment", so why bother them?
7.) Based on anthony886's comment above, why would I want to make friends with people who are hammered?

hey hey hey, i think we had a miss understanding here, i didnt say to get totally hammered and go. LOL and i didnt mean to make friends inside the actually rave, i meet tons of people outside the raves but its way to loud to talk inside. LOL i consider the whole crowd of ravers to be part of the rave. also you didnt mention any friends with you, did you go alone? cuz if so that would probably make it less fun. lol either way to each there own. atleast you tried it.

[skyrune83]

linlindesu, on 21 February 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

The term "rave" usually refers to dances where drugs are involved. Not really offensive per say just not a good PR move if acen ( being the family con it is ) was to say it was hosting one...

That's cool, I understand. And that's a good move by ACen (and a lot of other cons) to not call it that. Hopefully one day people will stop calling it the "rave".

Wingy Baby, on 21 February 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Are we being immature? Perhaps, but when you consider the amount of responsibility, life events, personality types, etc each person is shouldering, sometimes having a drink is a way to relax and cut loose.
And before you cry “Alcoholics!” know that a majority of us understand the risks of excessive drinking and dependency and thus, drink responsibly. No one gets in a car to drive home, no one actually tries to get alcohol poisoning. Mistakes happen, yes, but it isn’t like people are going out their way to hurt themselves like that.

It’s the newbies that are making the social drinkers look bad, but then again, you’re just lumping all of us into a neat little category and judging accordingly.

See, and it's the newbies that I am most concerned about. I acknowledge that most veteran drunks know what they are doing and can handle themselves. But one big problem (with ACen especially) is that alcohol is so abundantly passed around to everyone (like at room parties), and it gets in the hands of everyone - including the newbies. And it only takes one or two newbies to do crazy things like get alcohol poisoning or tear a urinal off the wall and spraypaint the bathroom mirrors (like happened 2 years ago). And I'd prefer to use the restroom without hearing another guy in the stall next to me vomiting in the toilet and almost making me want to do the same.

Again, I know most vet drinkers can have a good responsible time, but in my opinion at least, people need to understand that alcohol has no place at a convention with so many minors present.

Wingy Baby, on 21 February 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

See, the problem with that statement is you went in with a negative attitude already thanks to that vocal minority and you didn’t enjoy it. And since you didn’t enjoy it, everyone else must be silly for not doing the same.

I know, I was overgeneralizing. I was sort of being sarcastic, but it didn't come off as such. I am 100% certain not everyone is like that. But I must admit, every con I go to, it seems like I encounter people like that on Saturday night.

anthony886, on 22 February 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

hey hey hey, i think we had a misunderstanding here, i didnt say to get totally hammered and go. LOL and i didnt mean to make friends inside the actually rave, i meet tons of people outside the raves but its way to loud to talk inside. LOL i consider the whole crowd of ravers to be part of the rave. also you didnt mention any friends with you, did you go alone? cuz if so that would probably make it less fun. lol either way to each there own. atleast you tried it.

Agreed, in the room, I was just plain bored. The lights and glowsticks were fun to watch, but then I was like "ok what now?" (For the record, I stayed for about 15 mins.) I probably would enjoy it more if I had someone to dance or hang out with. I saw my friend Trent there for a second, but then I couldn't find him in the room.

This post has been edited by skyrune83: 22 February 2012 - 08:52 AM

[The Fujoshi]

For the "Not being able to dance issue," it depends op.

It does matter to some people. Remember that one episode of Everyone loves Raymond? With the dancing with Rob vs Raymond and how Raymond couldn't dance and one lady said he might have a middle ear problem? There are actually people who judge others who can't dance or dance in their own 'special way,' that looks cool to them. Whatever is the norm for dancing, let it be stepping, jig, freestyle board twisting, some people feel that unless you can do it like that, you're either weird or a square.

I have no idea what people consider "hip dancing," norm now because I rather sit down with March's story than go out clubbing >_>; Juking?

But The soapbubble/rave/etc. are not like that at Acen. They don't judge you based on dancing because they are enjoying themselves and/or don't really care to judge you. It's mostly to have fun, drink in certain people's cases, and hang out with friends and newly required friends. Mentioned already you can make friends with people you find at photoshoots, any place in Acen, even your roommates, and ask "Hey you want to go to the Soapbubble and hang out for a minute?"

It's not hard to make friends and just go to the rave/soapbubble casually.

[linlindesu]

skyrune83, on 22 February 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

See, and it's the newbies that I am most concerned about. I acknowledge that most veteran drunks know what they are doing and can handle themselves. But one big problem (with ACen especially) is that alcohol is so abundantly passed around to everyone (like at room parties), and it gets in the hands of everyone - including the newbies. And it only takes one or two newbies to do crazy things like get alcohol poisoning or tear a urinal off the wall and spraypaint the bathroom mirrors (like happened 2 years ago). And I'd prefer to use the restroom without hearing another guy in the stall next to me vomiting in the toilet and almost making me want to do the same.

Again, I know most vet drinkers can have a good responsible time, but in my opinion at least, people need to understand that alcohol has no place at a convention with so many minors present.

Not defending the people that get carried away but it is also likely they weren't drunk. They probably thought about it ahead of time considering it was spray paint, something that most people normally don't bring to conventions.

People that wreck the hotel aren't "newbie drunks" they are just plain stupid people regardless of their blood alcohol level.



Back on topic though...

The Bubble. It is a big, club like dance that people would normally pay between 15-50 bucks to get into that they get for free by paying for a MAPS membership. The age range is all over, the intelligence level is all over , some people are "nerds" some people are "normal" ( though why the 2 are not one in the same in this topic? beats me ) . It is just like any other event at the con. Some people love it, some people don't need it to have a good con experience. One can judge the dances all they want but there are stupid people all over the con in every single event, panel, and gathering. So if it the dance isn't a thing for you to do, it is ok. There are many fun night time panels, screening rooms, and friends that will make the time between closing and opening of the dealer's room much more enjoyable.

[Prayer Police]

Personally, I don't like clubs or dancing but when you're inebriated and loose all inhibitions, it's like the best thing ever.
Someone should make a rage comic that observes this sorcery.

[FlyingElf]

skyrune83, on 22 February 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

See, and it's the newbies that I am most concerned about. I acknowledge that most veteran drunks know what they are doing and can handle themselves. But one big problem (with ACen especially) is that alcohol is so abundantly passed around to everyone (like at room parties), and it gets in the hands of everyone - including the newbies. And it only takes one or two newbies to do crazy things like get alcohol poisoning or tear a urinal off the wall and spraypaint the bathroom mirrors (like happened 2 years ago). And I'd prefer to use the restroom without hearing another guy in the stall next to me vomiting in the toilet and almost making me want to do the same.

Again, I know most vet drinkers can have a good responsible time, but in my opinion at least, people need to understand that alcohol has no place at a convention with so many minors present.

So if someone does something irresponsibly we should ban it by your logic, correct? Everything has been taken to an unhealthy extreme by somebody at some point. When has catering to the lowest common denominator ever worked in anything?

[Wingy Baby]

FlyingElf, on 23 February 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

So if someone does something irresponsibly we should ban it by your logic, correct? Everything has been taken to an unhealthy extreme by somebody at some point. When has catering to the lowest common denominator ever worked in anything?

This, this and a big ol' fat this.
Also echoing linlindesu - the mischief was planned wayyyy before the alcohol came into the picture.
So let's not demonetize something that's been demonetized enough because a couple morons had to ruin it for the rest of us, k?
People are going to be stupid. People are also going to be smart. Making sweeping generalizations doesn't help solve anything.

[skyrune83]

So after reading all of your comments, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to give your feedback on the matter. I get the sense that there are 3 kinds of people: those who enjoy the dance, those who do not enjoy the dance, and those who cause trouble on Saturday nights. And the troublemakers may or may not have anything to do with the dance.

After thinking about it more, I don't know if the dance/rave/party scene is right for me, because:
1.) I don't like to dance.
2.) I don't like (most) alcohol.
3.) I am an introvert.

Based on the comments I've seen in this post, it sounds like most people who like the dance are those who are at least one of the following: outgoing, energetic, and enjoy alcohol. Is this true?

This post has been edited by skyrune83: 23 February 2012 - 08:40 AM

[The Fujoshi]

FlyingElf said:

They did try to ban drinking and they are trying to legalize weed, then ban it in all states and there is a debate on banning birth control because it's 'Really bad.' I guess the problem is what to do that stupid people done, like that poor nine year old, doesn't happen again but to also not make generalizations based on stupid people.



@Everyone else: Btw you can get alcohol poisoning from one drink if you never drunk before; it doesn't have to be fast drinking or a lot of drinking. It's like playing the lottery with alcohol poisoning and how your body handles it ._.; I know this because of my family is full of drunks and I mean they drink: Grey goose, tequila, shoots, beer, all at the same time period, really really fast. My uncle can under drink anyone and he doesn't get any issues from it, besides a hangover. Now if anyone else did this, well......

DO NOT MIX V-0, Gatorade, and Red bull EVER.

skyrune83, on 23 February 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

So after reading all of your comments, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to give your feedback on the matter. I get the sense that there are 3 kinds of people: those who enjoy the dance, those who do not enjoy the dance, and those who cause trouble on Saturday nights. And the troublemakers may or may not have anything to do with the dance.

After thinking about it more, I don't know if the dance/rave/party scene is right for me, because:
1.) I don't like to dance.
2.) I don't like (most) alcohol.
3.) I am an introvert.

Based on the comments I've seen in this post, it sounds like most people who like the dance are those who are at least one of the following: outgoing, energetic, and enjoy alcohol. Is this true?

Nope.

It depends; it's like saying all people who like Call of duty are teenaged, short temper, men who have issues with their ego/other head.

I'm an extreme introvert to the point that I hide from people; they scare me and I don't feel comfortable around people, unless I am in cosplay. At the meet and greet I had to go to the bathroom to hyperventilate so don't feel bad.

The "Dance," at Acen is just a dance. It's not the dance in question, but the people who attend it, which is why people had issues with it going on and ruining the con experience, (that one thread about the Soapbubble/dance?) because of people, as Prayer Police mentioned, drinking just so that they lose inhibitions and inebriated. There is a difference mentioned in this thread between people who drink to be social, people who drink to do this and can't control themselves, and people who drink and do things that are stupid, which is why one con goer says "unless the ambulance is at Acen, it's not Acen." This doesn't mean the soapbubble/dance is bad and nobody should make a generalization based on it because of some bad apples.

Crashing the glass dome? Drunk person. Girl underaged almost raped? She was drunk and her drunk friends were laughing at her being sick and not holding her drink; heard this from a friend. Guy who thought I was a dude? Drunk.

These events happened in the con in general, not just the soapbubble/dance. Sure people who get drunk want to party and dance more but it doesn't mean you can avoid drunks everywhere. Best thing to do is go to the 18+ panels with a group or a friend to avoid drunks more often. To be honest I don't run into drunks often at the con (except for my roommates, but I fixed that situation,) around 10-11 or so I'm back in the room, unless I was with my ex bf at the time, and even then we would go to some hentai panels, go to MCDs, and then go back to the room.

Not everyone is into dancing; if you don't like dancing per say you won't like the soapbubble. I used to date an extroverted boyfriend who was into being the party so I used to go to the soapbubble in the past years of Acen, but outside of feeling the music I didn't stay long with him. We would dance, or attempt to dance, and go in 20 minutes or less. If you are into dancing you stay longer. Now me, a really introverted girl, can do this, means that introverted people can also enjoy the soapbubble as well.

So if the Soapbubble is not for you, don't do it; go to the panels/photoshoots like I do, go mingle with your roommates, or go eat ramen from Mitsuwa in your room and watch Adult Swim. Do only what you feel comfortable with.

Heck you can hang out with me if you don't mind me casually chatting randomly about Oz/Gilbert from Pandora hearts. since I don't drink at all.

This post has been edited by The Fujoshi: 23 February 2012 - 11:07 AM

[FlyingElf]

I have never heard of anyone getting alcohol poisoning from 1 drink before. I've introduced plenty of people to alcohol in some form and while some will get drunk after their first drink, I have never had to take someone to the hospital. If it is even possible, you're talking about an extreme .0001% of the population. And by that logic, you again shouldn't do anything because theres a .0001% chance that anything you do will end badly for you. Freak accidents happen all the time.

[The Fujoshi]

FlyingElf, on 23 February 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

I have never heard of anyone getting alcohol poisoning from 1 drink before. I've introduced plenty of people to alcohol in some form and while some will get drunk after their first drink, I have never had to take someone to the hospital. If it is even possible, you're talking about an extreme .0001% of the population. And by that logic, you again shouldn't do anything because theres a .0001% chance that anything you do will end badly for you. Freak accidents happen all the time.

It was on the news a few years back, but it's something similar to how people can die from smoking crack the first time or smoking weed. He either had:

an allergic reaction from it.

His body wasn't used to drinking, thus when he introduced it to his system it crashed

He was underage

But it depends on the person; the first time I had cabbage I broke out in hives/etc. and I was exposed to cabbage before....and can eat Kimchi/cole >_>;

It just stuck in my mind; I was amazed because before then I thought you couldn't either ._.;

Seriously you never took anyone to the hospital? That's luck! I had to take my mom to the hospital and my folks a lot because they drunk too much and was dehydrated and other issues! It wasn't from drinking per say; they were just being.....well stupid.

But that's totally off topic.

[FlyingElf]

Nah, I mostly just drink with friends and we're responsible with it and can take care of people when they've had too much. We also host enough parties and events to know when someone just needs to be cut off or stopped because they're actually at some kind of medical risk.

I also don't put a lot of stock in things I see on the general news. A lot of news reporting seems to go for shock value and even if it only holds true for a very small percentage of the population, they can still report it as news. Did you know there is a chance that your car's engine might blow up today? Well yes, but its not going to stop me from running errands. There is a very small chance that something terrible will happen to you on any given day, but its not going to cripple me into fear and prevent me from having fun or doing what needs doing.

[The Fujoshi]

FlyingElf, on 23 February 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Nah, I mostly just drink with friends and we're responsible with it and can take care of people when they've had too much. We also host enough parties and events to know when someone just needs to be cut off or stopped because they're actually at some kind of medical risk.

I also don't put a lot of stock in things I see on the general news. A lot of news reporting seems to go for shock value and even if it only holds true for a very small percentage of the population, they can still report it as news. Did you know there is a chance that your car's engine might blow up today? Well yes, but its not going to stop me from running errands. There is a very small chance that something terrible will happen to you on any given day, but its not going to cripple me into fear and prevent me from having fun or doing what needs doing.

I actually have a similar attitude when it comes to things in general. Instead of worrying about the now or what might happen, I rather just take it to face value and deal with it. I might get cancer, I might end up in prison, anything can happen, no matter how small it may be, so it's best not to worry about things and just enjoy life and consider what you do have. I've actually changed a lot and have a new outlook in life since I joined the forums.

I watch the news due to my mom watching it to know "what's going on," so I end up picking up either recipes or random, weird things as formentioned.

You're actually one of the more positive drinkers I know from Acen. Some people I know just drink to lose it and when their friends are down or sick they either leave them behind or laugh at them. I actually hope that more people set from your example!

I would drink myself personally, but I would only do it when I'm comfortable and know I can control it because of said family of drinkers.

But let me stop; getting ahead of myself lol. I've just been sick so I'm happy to come back.

This post has been edited by The Fujoshi: 23 February 2012 - 12:22 PM

[Alkaren Hyralt]

skyrune83, on 23 February 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

So after reading all of your comments, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to give your feedback on the matter. I get the sense that there are 3 kinds of people: those who enjoy the dance, those who do not enjoy the dance, and those who cause trouble on Saturday nights. And the troublemakers may or may not have anything to do with the dance.

After thinking about it more, I don't know if the dance/rave/party scene is right for me, because:
1.) I don't like to dance.
2.) I don't like (most) alcohol.
3.) I am an introvert.

Based on the comments I've seen in this post, it sounds like most people who like the dance are those who are at least one of the following: outgoing, energetic, and enjoy alcohol. Is this true?

I'm glad people could be of help to you with understanding more about the dances. I still invite you to try to check out both the friday night dance Hardcore Synergy and the Soap Bubble on saturday night to hopefully have a better time than the last convention dance you went to.