nagicakes, on 15 January 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:
I would like to extend an apology on behalf of myself, Spice3132 and our fellow panelists, specifically to Gl1tt3r.
It was not our intention to offend, upset or otherwise single out anyone, transgender or otherwise. The panel was only intended to be a fun, lighthearted game show-esque panel. While I understand your concerns, we are most definitely not trying to incite more hatred, intolerance, etc. for anyone, regardless of their sexuality/gender. All of the people involved in this panel have several good friends that are gay or transgender and would never want to do anything that singled them out in any way, shape or form.
So please, try to understand that this was not meant to harm anyone. If you have any other concerns, we would appreciate it if you would PM us instead of posting on the thread.
Again, we apologize if we've offended or upset anyone.
Thank you! I understand it was not meant to offend, and of course that there are gender benders who enjoy being mistaken for the other gender, especially anime/manga characters. What's important to remember, especially as friends of trans folk, is that guessing at genders is a way of reinforcing harmful stereotypes and gender roles! It doesn't just hurt trans folks either, there's plenty of androgynous cisgender people who are very hurt when they're misgendered.
I appreciate your response.
slytheringrl, on 18 January 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:
Please, it's called cross dressing, cosplay, gender bending and a number of other things. It's a common thing that has nothing to do with changing your sexual identity or even your sexual identity. I myself have cross dressed a number of times and am a straight female. I have transgender and gay friends, some of whom have NEVER cross dressed and even find my doing so odd. Taking this and making it about one group is ironically narrow minded, when the whole point to opposing this was that the panel itself is somehow narrowed minded.
May I also remind those that oppose this that it is a convention for anime/manga lovers in general, not just the transgendered, and as such the anime/manga community itself is not always accepting of this lifestyle. They make fun of it, they use it frequently and the term trap has been around LONG before this panel was created. I feel where you're coming from, Gl1tt3r, but you're taking this way out of context. The easiest solution to this is to not show up and enjoy the other things this convention has to offer, rather than trying to ruin it for other people who are only playing on a concept that is prevalent and consistent in this genre.
Your gender identity isn't your sexual identity. Trans people aren't changing their gender identities. You have no idea what it feels like to dress as your gender and be called crossdressing. Or how painful it feels to only be found attractive as a gender someone assumes you are, rather than the gender you are. Or how dangerous it can be to dress as your gender, if the wrong person finds you attractive. You're right, people use the term trap offensively and that's exactly why it shouldn't be used.
No, it's not a convention just for transgender people (the term transgendered is offensive, btw), but I don't see how discouraging transphobia makes it a convention for trans people. It makes it a safer space for people who get raped and murdered from other people who think that they're being 'tricked'. Being 'tricked' is one of the primary excuses people make for murdering trans people.
What is the context? Androgynous or gender-stereotype defying characters are popular in anime, and in the j-rock scene as someone mentioned. Yes, some of the time in the manga the person's gender-bending is a sort of joking. This is also transphobia, just because it comes from Japan doesn't make it less insulting. But there's also lots of anime where no one in the anime makes fun of the characters' gender presentation, it's the fans who do it. Either way, to you the context is anime. To trans people, the context is life, where this happens every day.
AcidAlice, on 14 January 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:
I wouldn't mind seeing this happening. I always watched talk shows that have trans people and you have to guess if that is a woman or man. If the trans people are not embarrassed to be on tv or having the whole world watch the tv shows.
Those people are not indicative of all trans people. Or most trans people. This programming is transphobic and just because people participate it in doesn't mean it's ok. And the only show I've seen like this is Jerry Springer.