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Clearing my "ACEN" mind What is happening *sad face*

#61 User is offline   DJ Jeffito 

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:34 AM

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:39 AM

If you're a DJ at a official acen event in my opinion you' re on the staff.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:50 AM

View PostDJ Jeffito, on 01 September 2011 - 09:34 AM, said:

wow srsly?

I'm not on staff btw. I'm just awesome.

You're not awesome. You just have a huge ego, but for someone who does somewhat represent the con, mostly the Soap Bubble, because you DJ every year, you have a nasty attitude. That definitely makes me want to not go to the Soap Bubble.

@tfcrete: I go to a few other cons and I consider at least one better, which is Kollision. KollisionCon is definitely the one con I am looking forward to the most. I loved it so much. It was very intimate and I didn't have to wait in huge lines or deal with nasty staff who didn't know how to follow the rules to see guests. The guests were actually roaming around the con and chatting with everyone. I loved that. Granted there were only a few, but I felt that was great. ACen has gotten so big that you have to "fight" to get autographs and see the masquerade and go to the concerts. I was happy to just go on in to the masquerade at Kollision. Granted it's 20 times smaller, but I really like that. With how big ACen is, it is hard to go to the popular events without wasting half the day waiting in line.

@animeraver: I do staff at another con and I have a blast. I love the people I work with in my department. Granted, I don't have much say overall, but I definitely contribute my opinions. Whether they listen or not, I don't know. I don't know if I would staff at ACen. I always hear the "Join staff to help change ACen!" spiel, but that doesn't seem to help and telling people to join staff to help make the con better sounds like ACen doesn't listen to those who don't staff. Everyone has their opinions and being on staff doesn't make their opinion any better than a regular attendee. I want to help, but I don't want to have to staff to do so. I feel that emailing and posting here is just fine as long as the higher ups listen and take the advice into consideration and everyone is civil of course.

I don't think the Soap Bubble is a problem, but I feel it is a bigger focus than anime. I don't want the Soap Bubble to go because I know how important it is to people, but I think the focus should be on anime and not on parties. It may not be ACen's intention, but it is how it looks to me.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:51 AM

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:08 AM

Please return to the topic. Your post was not necessary or constructive.

As said in my previous posts regarding panels we are really pushing hard this year for more panels, in better rooms, and are focusing on related panels. There will always be a handful of non anime events. But we are severely limiting those events and no longer approving non related panels such as american cartoons, etc. Suggestions can be posted in the panel programming forum :)
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:13 AM

I have to agree at least to some extent. I've noticed all those things you mentioned, and I've been going since '08. I was pretty happy with some of the photoshoot gatherings, though. I really wish they had more of a variety at the dealer's hall, so hopefully next year will be different. And I do hope that more people will actually cosplay as cool characters. =/
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:23 AM

The dealers hall is completely up to which vendors come and register for it. ACen has no control over what vendors come, only which vendors we say no to. I know we have a lot of vendors signing up and Exhibit Hall is excited for when they can post their vendor list on our website. :)
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:05 PM

View Postopimus.rm, on 01 September 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

For someone who's on staff your post here is unacceptable and nonprofesional.


Actually, it fits the conversation perfectly. It IS the very attitude that is part of the problem.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:26 PM

View Postopimus.rm, on 01 September 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

For someone who's on staff your post here is unacceptable and nonprofesional.


DJ Jeffito is not on staff, as he does not have a staff title next to his name.
He is an outside individual whom Allen, our Main Programming Assistant Department Head, has had play at some of the "dances".
If you would like to officially complain about his behavior, I would suggest contacting the forum Admin(s) and they will relay it to the Chief of Staff, the Department Head, and the Department Head's Section Chief.
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Posted 02 September 2011 - 07:15 PM

2001 was my first ACEN, back when I was 13, so I've been going for quite some time... It's interesting to hear others views on the changes, because I was beginning to think it was just me, not Acen itself:

~Certainly I know my age has something to do it- a con is going to seem very different when you're 13 verses 20+. Plus, there was simply the "newness" of being at a con surrounded by all these people who loved anime like I did!

~The con has obviously gotten MUCH larger than when I first started going, which also obviously adds to the change. In the earlier years I remember being more active on the (lol) mailing list, and there being a mailing list meet-up where we all wore red stickers on our badge to identify ourselves (I can't be the only one who remembers this, I have pictures!) :P Now I feel there just is so many people that it's hard to feel like you belong? I don't know, earlier years always made me feel more like part of an Acen "family" or something...? Perhaps if I was still active in the community (here in the forums) I'd feel the same type of connection I felt before.

~Finally, I myself have gotten less involved with anime as a whole. I used to be nearly obsessed and as I've grown up I've sort of drifted away. I still watch random series, read the occasional manga, still cosplay, etc... but I thought maybe myself being less into anime made me enjoy the con less.

For all these reasons I've felt that maybe it was just -me- that was changing, not the convention, so I'm glad to hear others opinions. I certainly miss things like the con suite where you could stop and get free food, and I miss having random people just come up and talk to me instead of so many rude people critiquing people's costumes or whatnot.

Overall, I feel like the community feeling at ACEN just isn't the same as it used to be, and I think that what disappoints me the most. Honestly, I don't even know how to fix that, or if it's even possible with the amount of people here now! I don't think it's the so-called "new" generation of anime fans who only watch adult swim/etc, I don't think it's the rave kids who just come for the dance, I don't really think it's anyone specifically (except for rising amount of just plain rude people I've been noticing more and more of...), I think it's just something that happens as a con grows. Then again, I could be wrong because ACEN is the only large con I've gone to!

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 09:41 AM

View Posttfcreate, on 01 September 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

Actually, it fits the conversation perfectly. It IS the very attitude that is part of the problem.
I stated in my blog:
Decide on your masters, people, for you cannot serve both. Either be an anime con or be a 3-day frat party.

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Whoa what happened? DJ Jeffito sounds like a jerk or one of those 4chan trolls.

For the guys who are on the side of 'Acen being a dance con, take it or leave it,' the problem isn't that it's a dance con, the problem is that people take it too far and think that it's only a party con.

Example. The incident with the bottle being thrown outside of the dome and cracked the glass? Someone had to be either:

1)High
2)Drunk
3)Both
4)Bored
5)All of the above.

Now many people would think 'well Acen is a party con so getting drunk, vomit, and destroying property is just part of a party con life.' This is the issue I have. Some of the things I seen, and heard, from the Soapbubble was crazy. Now this wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't a family con as well. It's called Acen not 'Anime central dance and rave.' Dancing and rave is just a part of it, not the 100% main theme of the convention, or else it would only be for adults and older people.

Some of the people I know are young, between the ages of 13-17, and they might not want to see people get wasted just because you turned 18 and want to drink, or lo and behold, you are just an adult who likes to drink and party and don't care who sees it. Or suffer from it.

I have been going to Acen for the past four years; I missed 2010 because of personal reason. I remember how it was just me and my ex at the time and we could just talk to random people, the Soapbubble had no line, and there wasn't incidents. Then as the years went on it started to get crazy, (every year someone went to the hospital, one year someone overdosed and there was sick on the floor, someone groped my butt, etc.)

This year was the worse. There was the Nazi symbol and Hetalia cosplayers doing the Nazi salute, (from what con goer told me, I didn't see the two guys doing it,) people were tackling people everywhere, there was signs everywhere, even when I showed the IRT they just shrugged and said, "Well it's the rapture so it's ok," there was one girl almost raped, and one guy was laid out on the bathroom so that nobody could go in. Thank god it was the men's bathroom. Also people were just taking stuff like estacy, weed, and a combination of drugs.

Now I know someone might say, 'well if you don't like it then don't see it or go around the chaos,' but the point is that Acen isn't just for you, it's for everyone who attendents. So if you like to drink and you know you act crazy, either contain yourself or don't go at all out of the respect of everyone else. What might be a wild weekend for you, might be the worse weekend for someone else, just because you don't remember throwing a bottle or groping a girl in the Soapbubble, who was passing by to go to her friend's hotel room to say bye, because you was too wasted to do so.

I go to Acen out of habit, I actually love the staff and decent people, and because it's the closest convention in my state. But I am still weary down the years if Acen gets worse and more expensive.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 11:06 AM

dj jeffitos statements are his own and do not speak for the rest of the staff or for the promoters of the soapbubble(me). if anyone is offended by his statements I'm truly sorry.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 03:58 PM

I just want to say that I apologize if I offended anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. My statements do not represent anyone's opinion but my own and I FULLY stand by them.

Once again, on behalf of myself, I apologize.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 04:40 PM

View PostDJ Jeffito, on 03 September 2011 - 03:58 PM, said:

I just want to say that I apologize if I offended anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. My statements do not represent anyone's opinion but my own and I stand by them.

Once again, on behalf of myself, I apologize.


Thank you for apologizing. When I first read your comment I admit I was ready to go into a rage but I kept myself from doing so. It just was not something I needed at that moment.

Hopefully we can refrain from further comments along those lines in the future, anywhere on this board.


That being said, I think it's obvious that ACen seems to have two faces, the "Day" face which people regularly associate with cons (cosplay, panels, etc) and the "Night" face (raves, dances, Soap Bubble, adults only panels, etc). In my opinion while the "Day" face still holds a majority of ACens image, the "Night" face seems to get more and more of a share.

I can't deny the impact the dances have on attendance, because I'm sure someone on staff can throw out some numbers that discredit claims to the contrary, but I feel that if the balance is reversed then that defeats the purpose of calling yourself Animecentral.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:13 AM

I'm going to try to not be too long. I will be disagreeing, but respectful. I have been to 8 Anime Centrals my first one being 2002 and the only two I missed were 2006 and 2007 due to school. I can't speak for everyone but for the most part I think ACen has IMPROVED. While I may sound rude in saying this, I originally thought some of the staff were rude jerks. I apologize to anyone on here who take offense but here are three examples: in 2003 when I saw part of the registration line move, I started to walk with them. One guy blew up at me and said "You're not supposed to be moving!!!" I understand the case somewhat in the next example but I waited 6 hours in line to meet Steve Blum and Beau Billingslea and I remember the guys rushing us out "NO PICTURES JUST AN AUTOGRAPH THEN GO!!!" Luckily Steve and Beau were real friendly otherwise my con experience would have been very negative that year. Final example in 2008. I was walking by the escalator deciding where to go and an IRT guy rushed by me, I guess he said "move" I got out of the way and said "Oh I'm sorry." He then shouts "Get the F••• out of my way!" Look, I've never been on staff, I know it can be stressful and aggravating especially since it is volunteer work and you're not paid and maybe the situation wasn't good (didn't see an ambulance rushing anytime after) but there's no reason to blow up like that!!!

With those incidents, the overall staff seeming snooty, and the horrible disorganization of registration, I almost would have not come back had it not been for the extremely nice people, cool costumes, and panels. I want to say though on more recent years I have found all the staff and IRT very friendly and knowledgable. I've started using the forums this year and I must say a lot of the staff I've talked to on here seem very helpful, they seem to really care about the convention and attendees, and are just pleasant. So for that ACen Staff/IRT, I want to say thanks for the improvements and thanks for making ACen really fun!

All that said, yes ACen has changed a bit. It has expanded itself and diversified in my opinion. It was once strictly about anime but now appears to be open to all geeky pop culture aspects, I for one greet it with big wide open arms! I like anime a lot, maybe not as much as I did in high school but I still like it and encourage others to watch but I'm also a video game, American cartoon, comic, and movie guy. I'm not saying everyone is this way and I understand if you strictly want anime/manga/Japanese pop culture. Here's how I see it though, new people can come to the con that don't watch anime but maybe some people can try and sway their opinion while talking prior to the Dr. Who or World of Warcraft panel. I know it's not guaranteed and maybe silly, but why not? Also I remember a person was upset that the karaoke no longer does strictly Japanese/anime songs. You know I understand some people know Japanese here and attend, but how many people can we really think knows the exact way to sing a theme to some of these shows? I thought it was a very fun event and from the surroundings, everyone seemed to have enjoyed it.

As for the Soap Bubble and Hardcore Synergy, I think they're fine. Yes there are some "bad eggs" who will get tanked/high and raise hell but do we all really believe this wouldn't happen if the events weren't there? I'm not a tabletop gamer (I like board games like Monopoly and sorry but don't regularly play), I can't speak for their aspect but has the raves really effected your experience in that aspect? I thought I saw the rooms with people playing. I know there ate late night panels and viewing rooms that aren't all 18+, but as far as after hours go, it happens? I guess it can be somewhat annoying that more people who are there only to party and don't care about the rest of the con are around (they're missing out IMO) but you know what? Forget them! As long as you have your friends, your panels, and your hangout you can do whatever you want. If any of them gives you crap (via harassing you or making racket when you're trying to sleep) get IRT or in real bad cases the police.

Wow went a lot longer than I hoped (I remember saying initially "I'll make this brief" lmao.) To summarize, I'm fine with ACen diversifying! Until I see panels about "The Kardashian Family", "Jersey Shore tribute" and "Who is your pick for Superbowl 2014" then I think having diversity is great even if it somewhat breaks the message. For the raves/dances, I'm not sure how feasible it is but I think their needs to be a "family or 20/17 and under dance and one for either 18 or 21+. Just my opinion but I think it would prevent some problems there with underage drinking and other stuff. I don't have a solution to this problem and won't stop going to ACen due to it but just food for thought.

Only thing I can say that I think needs to be done is the registration problem. It's been 15 years and apparently no system has been organized or it's a very faulty one. I really mean no offense but honestly when people are complaining that they paid $2 to have their badge shipped and end up having to wait in line, that is just wrong. IMO, people who pre-register should not have to deal with a long line, at least nothing near 3-5 hours. I've been lucky :knocks on wood: because I do it first day opening from now on but others have shared horror stories. My suggestion is talk to staffs at other cons or set aside a budget and pay an outsourced company to handle it. I think it would be very well worth it! If it involves a price hike, so be it but something really needs to be done.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:51 PM

I avoided posting in this thread like the plague... but reading these posts makes me wonder if I simply imagined all of the harassment I saw while walking to my hotel on saturday night. People don't just "go to the dance then leave" They hang around the Hyatt. Or maybe I just imagined the throngs of people there, stopping me and basically throwing themselves at me to touch them for no reason. [Surprise; not everyone is ok with strangers obviously high out of their minds throwing themselves at you <3] Maybe that girl that was groped in line for the soapbubble was just faking it. I see a lot of apologists in this thread.... It's one thing to party and have a good time. I do that when at photoshoots. But when you harass other people and your 'good time' causes other people to have a bad time, this is obviously a problem. And when one can no longer feel safety even when IRT is around, there is a problem. Simply saying "Well, it's the soapbubble, it brings in a lot of money" and shoving these issues and stories of harassment under the rug is.... unbelievable. If this is the mindset acen has then this is definitely my last year.

As Fujoshi has said "Now I know someone might say, 'well if you don't like it then don't see it or go around the chaos,' but the point is that Acen isn't just for you, it's for everyone who attendants. " Acen is no longer fun for those of us that don't want to get completely wasted and destroy hotel property, that is the point of these threads. Should we just be ignored for the popular commodity?

@STVO - my problem with acen branching out is that there are a million other cons for other things in the chicago area. There's no need for them at an anime convention. Granted, there are new anime cons that have popped up this year but none have the ability to get guests and hold as many events as acen does. Most are still in their first or second years.

My acen mind has been cleared many times before but of course, it always goes unheard. As Lina has said earlier, I don't feel that joining staff should be a necessity. I'm saving up money to go to other cons because acen just isn't worth the price anymore when it has hardly any guests, panels or events and is focusing more on the partying side. Hopefully this year wows me and something gets done....But I know I've said that on a few other threads lol.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 01:43 PM

View PostGabichox, on 04 September 2011 - 11:51 PM, said:

@STVO - my problem with acen branching out is that there are a million other cons for other things in the chicago area. There's no need for them at an anime convention. Granted, there are new anime cons that have popped up this year but none have the ability to get guests and hold as many events as acen does. Most are still in their first or second years.


Agreed, but you can say that for the strictly-anime conventions too. There's several of them. They will grow in time and gain more guests. While I'm not a fan of things I love changing their messages (MTV to all-reality shows, Cartoon Network adding live action, Adult Swim adding... crap) it does happen. You can argue ACen is non-profit, but let's face it, they're always looking for ways to expand and as long as we don't see panels for Jersey Shore, celebrity gossip, or the NFL, for most part I'll greet it with open arms. That's my opinion though and you nor anyone else on the forums don't have to (and most likely won't) share my opinion.

As for the people outside, I understand not everyone wants to be harassed and you should be able to freely walk. I don't know a logical solution, maybe write to IRT telling them they should have more people outside watching them? Also, I won't say it does happen at other conventions, but who's to say they won't do it there late night? It could happen, hopefully not but it could. One other suggestion is to have a 21+ event at another hotel and then have the Soap Bubble be for the younger guys. That's not at all a guarantee it will help, but who's to say that anything else would be?

My only other advice is do what The Fujoshi said and walk around the people that you feel would harass you, tell anyone that harasses you that you'll report them (and do it if they continue), and just go to the events that you enjoy. If there's no events, then really it's probably time to pursue the other cons. It's unfortunate, but that happens with a lot of things in life.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 08:17 PM

In and of themselves, there is nothing wrong with having these parties. But to use an anime convention to hide them is fundamentally wrong.
Have the parties one week, the con the next.

Many whole cities do this. Daytona Beach Fla. has made an industry of such things. But they call them what they are. Adult parties.

Most of the ravers and drinkers/druggies want nothing to do with the anime.
Most of the anime lovers aren't interested in the parties. Why force them into the same environment?

You have two distinct, often clashing cultures both trying to do their own things at the same time, only one is hiding behind the other.
It won't work.
When you mix college age drinkers/drug users with Families, High School and middle school aged kids you're asking for massive amounts of trouble.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:41 AM

View Posttfcreate, on 05 September 2011 - 08:17 PM, said:

In and of themselves, there is nothing wrong with having these parties. But to use an anime convention to hide them is fundamentally wrong.
Have the parties one week, the con the next.

Many whole cities do this. Daytona Beach Fla. has made an industry of such things. But they call them what they are. Adult parties.

Most of the ravers and drinkers/druggies want nothing to do with the anime.
Most of the anime lovers aren't interested in the parties. Why force them into the same environment?

You have two distinct, often clashing cultures both trying to do their own things at the same time, only one is hiding behind the other.
It won't work.
When you mix college age drinkers/drug users with Families, High School and middle school aged kids you're asking for massive amounts of trouble.


I think that it's unfair to say that "most of the anime lovers aren't interested in the parties." If this were actually the case, then the Soap Bubble would not exist at all. It's a dance-party/rave that was started by anime fans at an anime convention. How could "anime lovers" not be interested in it? They created it!

But I digress. All of the issues that people are complaining about (loss of a "feeling of community", diversification of Acen's panels/guests/activities/etc) are directly related to the growth of the convention. These issues are also directly related to the behavior of the con's attendees. You guys don't like panels that discuss non-anime topics? Well, that's a huge bummer for you, because they're not going anywhere. These panels exist because people are willing to organize/create them, and because other people are willing to attend them. The same goes for the dances. This convention has grown to a tremendous degree. My first year at Acen was my sophomore year of high school, 2002. The convention was much smaller then than it is now, and it was much more anime-focused. It seems that many of you wish that Acen would go back to being this way. That is never going to happen. As the years have passed, the attendees have grown and changed. We have seen many more people attend Acen this year than in years past. There are diverse people with a wide range of interests, and Acen is catering to the broad spectrum of attendees. Why can't an anime convention have dance parties in addition to more traditionally anime-centric activities such as panels and viewing rooms? They are not mutually-exclusive.

I don't see anything wrong with the current state of affairs (I enjoyed this past Acen far more than I did my first in 2002). In any large convention, there are going to be people who harass others. There are going to be people who break laws. There are going to be people who act like immature jerks. But to say that these people "spoil the convention for everyone else" smacks of sour grapes. Just because you see people doing things that you don't agree with does not mean that you have to give those people power by allowing them to affect your mood such that your convention has been ruined.

When I was in line for Soap Bubble, there was a group of four dudes behind my friends and I. They were obviously drunk, possibly high, and totally inappropriate. IRT had their hands full, and as such there was no one around for me to report them to (not that I would have reported them anyway). Did I allow these dorks to ruin my convention? Heck no! I laughed at them and proceeded to enjoy the dance. I'm not saying that you should just brush it off if someone assaults you physically or does something else that is illegal. But if you're worried about drunken 19-year-olds acting like morons and cat-calling women, you should probably stop going to Acen. That sort of thing isn't going to stop happening, so your only chance of avoiding it is to refrain from attending. Bummer, right? Why should YOU have to stop going to your favorite convention just because of some jerks that enjoy things you don't, and may or may not make you feel awkward and unsafe? If you're this kind of person, YOU should also avoid theme parks, colleges, bars, nightclubs, college towns in general, movie theaters on a Friday or Saturday night, parties, roller derbies, taffy pulls, and certain pumpkin patches that cater to adults. If your sensibilities are so weak that one momentary encounter with a less-than-pleasant person is enough to destroy your psyche and ruin your convention weekend, then I think that Acen isn't your problem; you are. I'm not directing this at any one person or post. I'm just saying that all of the complaints voiced in this thread are irrelevant and silly. If you want a convention that is strictly anime-themed and only deals with anime, there are others in the area and across this fine nation which fit that mold. Acen is clearly not that. Acen will never be that again. Get over it. If you don't like it, stop attending. Complaining on a message board that "Acen just isn't the same as it used to be, GUYS" isn't going to achieve anything.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:48 PM

@YoungBirdcall

I agree with your post somewhat but what I have been saying is what should we do? Apparently this is a big thing if this many people complain about it and some people can't even enjoy Acen or cosplaying in general because of the small majority that ruins it for everyone. Just like the tackling, the glomping, and the groping issues.

The only problem I had this year was as I mentioned the breaking of the hotel property, which may or may not resulted in rising hotel costs fees in 2012 and other costs, people tackling other people and just a lack of disrespect, and the lax in the IRT. I know they were busy in the soapbubble but they were more disorganized this year than the other years I seen. I used to be able to just ask them questions and they would know. I had to ask about three people in staff about one basic question for badges.

The sign issue was another big example. I was mentioned to not even make a sign and tons of people had them, very BIG ones. It was basically like 'screw the police.'

Now me personally I can just shrug a lot of this stuff off because that's the type of person I am. One year was the year of nightmares at Acen, (from me sleeping on the floor through weed smoke, to the pizza I just paid 30 dollars for locked in someone's car because my ex bf is an idiot and not paid back for it,) but I still didn't let it get me down. Even this year was fun with the meetup as well as getting my manga signed but that's me.

My attitude is that everyone should enjoy Acen. Not the people that just come there to smoke weed or party or the people just into anime. It might be ok for someone else to just say 'well don't go then if you don't like it,' but would you do that? If you really enjoyed something in the past or parts of something, would you personally stop attending it or even being bothered with it? It's usually easier to say things to other people on what they should do but on a personal level not much so.

Well people are self centered naturally. If someone gets robbed no big deal, just get over it. If you get robbed you want the army to practically find the guy in good old James brown 'REVENGE.'

I am personally trying to make people more aware at cons so groping and other issues won't happen as much by making a panel and try to find a position for staff, but I can't do everything and my personal life and making sure I have a stable job comes first.

I just don't want Acen to end up like how some people view AX in California.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 05:44 PM

View PostYoungBirdcall, on 06 September 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

certain pumpkin patches that cater to adults.


LOL, I don't know why, but that one made me laugh for some reason. :) Nonetheless, I agree very much Birdcall and that's what I said earlier without trying to insult anyone (not saying you were of course.) Admittedly, maybe the ACen Staff could try to figure a new area hold Soap Bubble (The Embassy?) and try to separate it from areas where people just want to play video games, table top RPGs, family events, etc. If that happens though, then people might complain "It's too far for me to walk to Soap Bubble, it should be where I'm staying!" "Yo brah! Why's there so much kiddie stuff happening at the Hyatt, I want to get my dance on!" You can't win them all really.

It's kind of like C2E2 vs. Wizard World (Chicago Comic Con.) Wizard World has grown and grown each year (like ACen), they have moved away from being strictly comics by adding celebrities of yester-years TV and movies, pro wrestlers, Billy Corgan, etc. I personally don't mind that because I usually like the celebs they have and I enjoy the geeky comic fandom as well. People who don't like a mix and want things strictly comics now go to C2E2 only. Time will tell if that will evolve into a bigger con, it's possible as G4 and IGN visit (or at least have visited) the event.

I don't want to repeat myself too much, but I have lots of close friends who unlike me, don't care for the Soap Bubble, late night festivities, etc. Despite them not doing that stuff, they always seem to have a blast going to anime-centered panels, the Masquerade, the dealers' room, etc. I'm not saying it hasn't happen but I don't recall seeing drunk or high people raising hell in the day times when such events occur which generally seems like the thing people are most upset about here. As Birdcall and I have said, once a convention (or a company, or an event, etc.) has grown, they will expand to reach a wider audience even if it means dropping the less popular events that might have had die-hard fans. Anime World Chicago and many other cons might feed your Anime-Only need. While I don't want to diss my fellow Otaku/Anime-Lovers, but I feel more welcomed in an environment where there's a wide range of interests as opposed to "like this only!" There have been many cases where I have met people who have a larger interest in anime than myself and act snooty if I didn't know that Dragon Ball GT had more episodes than the original Dragon Ball or whatever fun fact.

For me personally, the only real way Anime Central might "jump the shark" is if they decide to have the cast of Jersey Shore (I REALLY HATE THAT SHOW) show up to sign autographs, panels are about sports/MMA/WWE (I'm a fan of the latter two but even I'd think that's moving too far away), and other things that move away from geekdom. I've stated it 100s of times, the only problems I really have with ACen right now are Registration (I suggest spending some money and outsourcing, no offense) and line organization from what I've continued to hear (if it's anything like me waiting 6 hours in line to meet Steve Blum, then I will agree with those complaints.) Those two issues aside, Power to ACen!


View PostThe Fujoshi, on 06 September 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

The only problem I had this year was as I mentioned the breaking of the hotel property, which may or may not resulted in rising hotel costs fees in 2012 and other costs, people tackling other people and just a lack of disrespect, and the lax in the IRT. I know they were busy in the soapbubble but they were more disorganized this year than the other years I seen. I used to be able to just ask them questions and they would know. I had to ask about three people in staff about one basic question for badges.

The sign issue was another big example. I was mentioned to not even make a sign and tons of people had them, very BIG ones. It was basically like 'screw the police.'





Yes, that property damage puts a damper on things in respect to us people who are responsible (or at least somewhat responsible) not to do something that costs thousands in damage. I don't blame ACEN/The Hyatt for a price increase do to that as that was some idiot's fault. As for the sign issue, may I ask what their problem was with yours? I had a sign for my "Presidential Candidate Brak" character where I used an old children's pool cue and it read "Vote 4 Me Brak Four President of the United Steaks of Canada" and they were about to stop me but let me pass. I think I'll dodge signs for the future as carrying that, wearing a big giant mask and a suit, among other things gets tiresome. :P

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 01:00 AM

View PostYoungBirdcall, on 06 September 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

I think that it's unfair to say that "most of the anime lovers aren't interested in the parties." If this were actually the case, then the Soap Bubble would not exist at all. It's a dance-party/rave that was started by anime fans at an anime convention. How could "anime lovers" not be interested in it? They created it!

But I digress. All of the issues that people are complaining about (loss of a "feeling of community", diversification of Acen's panels/guests/activities/etc) are directly related to the growth of the convention. These issues are also directly related to the behavior of the con's attendees. You guys don't like panels that discuss non-anime topics? Well, that's a huge bummer for you, because they're not going anywhere. These panels exist because people are willing to organize/create them, and because other people are willing to attend them. The same goes for the dances. This convention has grown to a tremendous degree. My first year at Acen was my sophomore year of high school, 2002. The convention was much smaller then than it is now, and it was much more anime-focused. It seems that many of you wish that Acen would go back to being this way. That is never going to happen. As the years have passed, the attendees have grown and changed. We have seen many more people attend Acen this year than in years past. There are diverse people with a wide range of interests, and Acen is catering to the broad spectrum of attendees. Why can't an anime convention have dance parties in addition to more traditionally anime-centric activities such as panels and viewing rooms? They are not mutually-exclusive.

I don't see anything wrong with the current state of affairs (I enjoyed this past Acen far more than I did my first in 2002). In any large convention, there are going to be people who harass others. There are going to be people who break laws. There are going to be people who act like immature jerks. But to say that these people "spoil the convention for everyone else" smacks of sour grapes. Just because you see people doing things that you don't agree with does not mean that you have to give those people power by allowing them to affect your mood such that your convention has been ruined.

When I was in line for Soap Bubble, there was a group of four dudes behind my friends and I. They were obviously drunk, possibly high, and totally inappropriate. IRT had their hands full, and as such there was no one around for me to report them to (not that I would have reported them anyway). Did I allow these dorks to ruin my convention? Heck no! I laughed at them and proceeded to enjoy the dance. I'm not saying that you should just brush it off if someone assaults you physically or does something else that is illegal. But if you're worried about drunken 19-year-olds acting like morons and cat-calling women, you should probably stop going to Acen. That sort of thing isn't going to stop happening, so your only chance of avoiding it is to refrain from attending. Bummer, right? Why should YOU have to stop going to your favorite convention just because of some jerks that enjoy things you don't, and may or may not make you feel awkward and unsafe? If you're this kind of person, YOU should also avoid theme parks, colleges, bars, nightclubs, college towns in general, movie theaters on a Friday or Saturday night, parties, roller derbies, taffy pulls, and certain pumpkin patches that cater to adults. If your sensibilities are so weak that one momentary encounter with a less-than-pleasant person is enough to destroy your psyche and ruin your convention weekend, then I think that Acen isn't your problem; you are. I'm not directing this at any one person or post. I'm just saying that all of the complaints voiced in this thread are irrelevant and silly. If you want a convention that is strictly anime-themed and only deals with anime, there are others in the area and across this fine nation which fit that mold. Acen is clearly not that. Acen will never be that again. Get over it. If you don't like it, stop attending. Complaining on a message board that "Acen just isn't the same as it used to be, GUYS" isn't going to achieve anything.



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Posted 07 September 2011 - 09:01 AM

@STVO: I remember signs being an issue one year with props, (on ABA had to break her key in half,) and was really strict. So I asked about a sign for a Russiamerica America that was based on a pixiv comic this year. Everyone said 'No, unless its canon.' I was cool with that and decided to be regular America with a plush.

Now the only person I seen with canon signs were the 'cake is a lie girl' (which was awesome,) and the dude with the poster sign and suit every year. Everyone else had the rapture, free hugs, and various memes.

I agreed with your posts the most. You can't please everyone. The gripe I have is that a lot of party goers have a lack of disrespect at night and anime goers during the day and it seems to get worse each year. Like the attitude is 'Oh well lol.' Someone had a great idea about the Hyatt elevators, since I assume that when they break down thats out of Acen's pockets too, and the hotel seems to be oh well about it too? I would bring it up if it could cut down on costs in other places.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 06:03 PM

View PostYoungBirdcall, on 06 September 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

I think that it's unfair to say that "most of the anime lovers aren't interested in the parties." If this were actually the case, then the Soap Bubble would not exist at all. It's a dance-party/rave that was started by anime fans at an anime convention. How could "anime lovers" not be interested in it? They created it!


The numbers in the raves/party are easily quantifiable since the fire marshal requires that the event knows how many are in there, and I have seen people counting those entering. Subtract that from the total con attendance and we have our number.

And they may have created it, but it is far different from what it was originally.



View PostYoungBirdcall, on 06 September 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

But I digress. All of the issues that people are complaining about (loss of a "feeling of community", diversification of Acen's panels/guests/activities/etc) are directly related to the growth of the convention. These issues are also directly related to the behavior of the con's attendees. You guys don't like panels that discuss non-anime topics? Well, that's a huge bummer for you, because they're not going anywhere. These panels exist because people are willing to organize/create them, and because other people are willing to attend them. The same goes for the dances. This convention has grown to a tremendous degree. My first year at Acen was my sophomore year of high school, 2002. The convention was much smaller then than it is now, and it was much more anime-focused. It seems that many of you wish that Acen would go back to being this way. That is never going to happen. As the years have passed, the attendees have grown and changed. We have seen many more people attend Acen this year than in years past. There are diverse people with a wide range of interests, and Acen is catering to the broad spectrum of attendees. Why can't an anime convention have dance parties in addition to more traditionally anime-centric activities such as panels and viewing rooms? They are not mutually-exclusive.

I don't see anything wrong with the current state of affairs (I enjoyed this past Acen far more than I did my first in 2002). In any large convention, there are going to be people who harass others. There are going to be people who break laws. There are going to be people who act like immature jerks. But to say that these people "spoil the convention for everyone else" smacks of sour grapes. Just because you see people doing things that you don't agree with does not mean that you have to give those people power by allowing them to affect your mood such that your convention has been ruined.

When I was in line for Soap Bubble, there was a group of four dudes behind my friends and I. They were obviously drunk, possibly high, and totally inappropriate. IRT had their hands full, and as such there was no one around for me to report them to (not that I would have reported them anyway). Did I allow these dorks to ruin my convention? Heck no! I laughed at them and proceeded to enjoy the dance. I'm not saying that you should just brush it off if someone assaults you physically or does something else that is illegal. But if you're worried about drunken 19-year-olds acting like morons and cat-calling women, you should probably stop going to Acen. That sort of thing isn't going to stop happening, so your only chance of avoiding it is to refrain from attending. Bummer, right? Why should YOU have to stop going to your favorite convention just because of some jerks that enjoy things you don't, and may or may not make you feel awkward and unsafe? If you're this kind of person, YOU should also avoid theme parks, colleges, bars, nightclubs, college towns in general, movie theaters on a Friday or Saturday night, parties, roller derbies, taffy pulls, and certain pumpkin patches that cater to adults. If your sensibilities are so weak that one momentary encounter with a less-than-pleasant person is enough to destroy your psyche and ruin your convention weekend, then I think that Acen isn't your problem; you are. I'm not directing this at any one person or post. I'm just saying that all of the complaints voiced in this thread are irrelevant and silly. If you want a convention that is strictly anime-themed and only deals with anime, there are others in the area and across this fine nation which fit that mold. Acen is clearly not that. Acen will never be that again. Get over it. If you don't like it, stop attending. Complaining on a message board that "Acen just isn't the same as it used to be, GUYS" isn't going to achieve anything.


Since it looks like it's a "we took over so it's our way or the highway," approach, then there is no debate, and this and other "how can we make the con better," threads are just so many more electrons floating around the web.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 09:49 PM

View Posttfcreate, on 07 September 2011 - 06:03 PM, said:




And they may have created it, but it is far different from what it was originally.




as the creator of the Soapbubble i would say the only thing thats different is the amount of people that attend the soapbubble. the overall vibe and feel of the party is definitely the same as it has been since the very beginning.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 11:31 PM

ACen, like many other cons always evolve every year to be better. Anything they do, it won't please everyone but I'm sure they'll know what to do next time so that it will make more people happier.

I don't know if it's just me but I noticed that I'm watching less anime now because there's a lot out there that's too similar. The newer ones are cool but you can't beat the old hand-drawn classics. So in retrospect, maybe that's why cons aren't as good as what they used to be: it's new but it's something we've actually seen before.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 06:00 AM

View PostSpicyNinjaCat, on 07 September 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

ACen, like many other cons always evolve every year to be better. Anything they do, it won't please everyone but I'm sure they'll know what to do next time so that it will make more people happier.

I don't know if it's just me but I noticed that I'm watching less anime now because there's a lot out there that's too similar. The newer ones are cool but you can't beat the old hand-drawn classics. So in retrospect, maybe that's why cons aren't as good as what they used to be: it's new but it's something we've actually seen before.



I concur. It might be me getting older and thinking "it's not as good as it used to be" but most titles just aren't as appealing as they were back then. Maybe I'll have to try more video rooms next year. Again, as long as the con is primarily anime and Japanese culture, I don't mind additions being made to the con.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 06:42 AM

I think I know a good way to define part of the sentiment - it's the "Back In My Day" effect. :)

I have a good feeling about this year, though. I'm sure we can make it work. Again, you can't please everyone - someone will always be unhappy with something, whether it can be changed or not. And with cons as big as ours, even changes aren't always well-received when we make them. But, let's see where this Road to April takes us. The way these months are flying by, Acen XV will be here before we know it.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 07:31 AM

View PostValkyrie, on 08 September 2011 - 06:42 AM, said:

I think I know a good way to define part of the sentiment - it's the "Back In My Day" effect. :)

I have a good feeling about this year, though. I'm sure we can make it work. Again, you can't please everyone - someone will always be unhappy with something, whether it can be changed or not. And with cons as big as ours, even changes aren't always well-received when we make them. But, let's see where this Road to April takes us. The way these months are flying by, Acen XV will be here before we know it.


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Posted 08 September 2011 - 12:28 PM

hmm well it seems we are back on the problems of acen
and we were on such a positive note

now whats all this line in the sand stuff
last time i checked anime cons were not dance clubs
and they were not a bunch of panels
this kind of division isnt constructive or realistic
acen is the some of its parts
good and bad

so there they are ~points up~

what do you all intend to do about it
if you care enough to complain and argue
do you care enough to do something about it?

idk
it seems odd for ppl to complain about their community
but dont participate in making it better
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