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#31 User is offline   Tiamat97 

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 08:37 PM

i think a reason why ACen became a party con is because Reactor is gone. i think most of us knew that before it was called Reactor it was Anime Reactor, but eventually it became so mainstream with parties and cosplays that had nothing to do with anime or video games, and thats why they they stopped calling it Anime Reactor. sadly, i do see this is happening to ACen, but with the addition of two new chicago based cons, perhaps ACen will go back to its roots, if it doesnt, its only a matter of time before we see the same things as Reactor
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 08:48 PM

View Postlinlindesu, on 18 August 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

Ok, I was digging this thread til I read this. I am really REALLY sick of the "Soap Bubble kidz iz teh izzue hur". Because honestly, whether you support it or not, Acen wouldn't have much anymore without the dances. People going JUST for the dances that are buying those one day badges are usually not causing any trouble because they go to the dance, enjoy themselves, then leave. Giving extra monies to MAPS considering they don't usually take part in any other activities. Getting rid of the dances will likely lead to a bunch of really bored people. Really bored people leads to a lot of them causing their own "fun". Everything from harmless room party to wrecking the hotel.

Now, here's a bit of a sad statement. Acen is officially more expensive than Anime Expo. Not considering travelling expenses, one would actually save a bit of money going to Anime Expo vs. Acen. Anime Expo may be an industry, for profit con, but it draws in major guests every single year. Hell, Sakura con has been kicking Acens' a** in the guest department for a few years now. I'm holding out for the fifteenth anniversary drawing a few major guests but I'm actually fearing disappointment. *crosses fingers*

Yes, Acen has been a party con for a while now. That may have to do with acen not really having a lot of events or good guests. People are not attending Acen for the panels, events, or seeing their favoritest jpop artist or seiyuu; People are attending to party and hear some amazing djs spin ( despite what anyone thinks of the "ravers", the Djs Acen books draw a huge crowd every year for a reason. )

First of all when it comes to the dances, they are nice to have if people don't want to go to panels, game rooms or video rooms, and if we did get rid of the dances I agree that people would make their own fun..which isn't the best idea. But if people don't want to attend Soap Bubble maybe have more panels (that aren't just 18+ panels) and maybe some other events at that time for those of us who do not want to go to Soap Bubble. I personally was in the tabletop gaming room then which was fun but I understand what people mean by "we don't want it to be a rave party." Plus, I do think some people are scared ACEN could be going The Reactor path turning into a straight out party-con. And I understand that concern, but I don't think ACEN's dedicated attendees and staff won't let ACEN turn into a hard core party con.

And it is kinda sad that AX is more than ACEN....but ACEN is non-profit so we don't get the amazing money amounts that sponsors give AX for advertising at AX. So I feel maybe that's a factor that could be causing it.
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:08 PM

View PostVisadin the insane, on 17 August 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

I knowpeople will be pissed at me, but i was drunk at acen for both nights but i was also only drunk in flying elf's room. the rest of thetime i was in the tabletop room and had a great time.

i say the issue is that the panals are becoming less about anime, there was a panal about batman this year.

on a brighter note, other then the bag rule, the game room was mush better then last year, there was petty mush every system and the arcade wasn't 15 DDR clones +MVC2.



This is something I've seen said about our panels concerning the past few years. As the new department head of Panel Programming I've set a new standard for our panels, gotten better placement for our rooms along with a room increase and plan to keep it convention theme related! We are doing a lot of new things to encourage anime, manga, cultural etc panels and to even guarantee ones we want at the convention. I encourage you to stop by our panel programming forum and post in the thread for ideas of panels YOU want to attend at ACen. We're also pushing for many more interactive ones such as workshops. I've already been in contact with a few professional companies who will also be bringing us related quality programming that I'm really excited for :) So please stop by our panel forum and give us ideas, I want there to be something for everyone going on!
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 10:30 PM

When I first heard about this convention I thought 'Hey, maybe I'll learn more about the Manga and Anime that I have been starting to read and see.' plus I was finding out some shows that I have seen turned out to be anime. So the 1st time I went with my friend we really didn't know what to do besides stay in the Dealer Hall/Artist Alley. :unsure: It took us awhile to figure out what we wanted to when our 2nd year was around the corner, so we were like lets try something new. It got me and my friend coming back for our 3rd year and we went to the Soap Bubble. For all three years we had work (plus family for me) get in the way of us getting to actually get to do something at the convention.

So this year is when I started to notice more around me, I had nothing that had me coming or going so I was determine to check out what Acen had in store. So did I? NO! something is trying to stop me. :thumbdown: I notice there wasn't much offered to see except a few events. This year I noticed that the crowds were younger and that I felt like I wasn't suppose to be there because I don't know what is popular anymore, school, work and family get in the way so not much time to really see or read. I did notice all the drinking more this year then last year. I feel like there is not a lot of anime or manga related theme going on, so I'm still debating on whether to even continue to go this year or the next year. I came to have fun and to discover anime and manga that will catch my interest along with the cosplay that everyone is :heart: to be or eager to show how much they like. Hopefully Acen does a 180 degree and get back on track on why they started in the first place.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 01:16 AM

thanks guys
i hope my posts come across like im smiling while im typing

so hares some sentimental bs
i couldnt wedge in a meaningful way


i feel that many long term con goers find themselves at a point such as this
all room issues have been salved
and theyer a well oiled con going machine
theyve got your set of friends who do this with them
the rest of the high school/college buds kind of fall away
(at least for con)
but by this point everything a con has to offer has been seen
and their room friends are only fun for so long


its time to make new friends
ill spare myself some typing as this point
and skip to the type of friendship ppl who have a vested interest in the con community
and its future would most likely want
the lasting kind
not the short lived fun that a raver may be looking for
the forums are kind of awesome in this way
id like to think we all have a feeling for each other through this place
and b/c walking up to someone at a con may be a bit unnerving to us nurdly kind


but what im hearing is the need for person to person interaction
with out the noise of those other groups
i understand that need for ppl who are just as into this stuff as you
and meetups are were those ppl are
like a super cell of anime fandom
it kinda sucks all of you out and about in the world
but if your paying all this money going to events
ya kind of have more problems with
to see friends
why not cut the fat


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this bit of ranting goes to the ppl with problems with acen it self
and those with that vested interest in the con community
join us staff (+panels)


if you chose your section well youd
be doing the same thing youd doing at cons otherwise
cutting con costs
and many of the other staff are hard core fans like us
so have some cool times too


this is impotent
while the ppl who staff for the free badge are useful
the ppl who are part of the active community are so much better
they are the ppl who make change
listen to the communities wants and needs
and are listening now
you want acen to be better
lets make it better


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would it be such a big sacrifice
for something we all care about
to say Staff




rrr so much sentimental bs
good times to all






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Posted 19 August 2011 - 01:25 AM

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 02:06 AM

Before you read my post, please remember, I do not speak on behalf of Acen, MAPS or my work affiliates. My opinion is my own.

Having attended Acen since '01, the changes are difficult not to notice, but these are not the issues we need to address. As it was pointed out a few times already in this discussion, Acen is a non-profit convention and ultimately fan run.

Dances: As stated earlier, much of the single day badges purchased are due to the dances. This is the double edged sword. Without it, bigger named guests would be out of the question. With it, come the "ravers". I beleave this fits under the few spoil for many aspect. With any growing crowd, rebelious nature may/will insue do to the need for individualism. Those acting out are in need of attention, but spreading hatred instead of discontent only hurts the process of change. Keep in mind that even though it is a big event at the convention, it's not the only thing happening. Panels, video rooms, TT Gaming, and workshops are still running at the same time. If handled properly, the only issue should be personal schedule conflicts.

Panels: In short, We, as con-goers, are responsible for their shortcomings. We run them. We dictate what material is covered/discussed/shown; if there is a decline in anime related panels, we need to come up with them ourselves.

Dealers Room: It's all about what sells. Yes there has been a study decline in anime related goods, but that's because We are not purchasing them. The vendors take this into account and bring only what they can sell. With the dance groups and variances growing, it makes sense that they would change inventory. Supply and Demand

Cosplay: With the worlds economy in a decline, it would make sense that the cosplay become simpler. It just seems that they all kinda gear towards certon series do to the "what can I do" attitude of the con-goers. It's not do to lack of effort or conforming to a crowd, but lack of funds. I'm just glad they're trying.

Modern Attendees: It's true that the fandom has changed, but it all comes down to what's in. Naruto, Bleach, Soul Eater, ect... has built a fan base acceptable to today's standards. The following is not looked down on by much of the world do to there being content that has something for just about everyone. Story, art, emotion, conflict, romance, comity. It may not have the depth of anime past, but it has enough to be deemed acceptable by the normal people and keep us coming back. Thus their reach and effect being so massive.


On that note, I plain to host a panel (if selected) about the industry decline do to the causes and effects of the Modern People. I believe Acen is the foundation for the convention, but it is us who build it into what it is, what it will be. There is need to change, but it starts and ends with us.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 02:15 AM

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:03 AM

View PostEvangelion_Unit_01, on 18 August 2011 - 12:28 PM, said:

Hey Tatter....you know I was kind of on a rant last night because of how much was on my mind.

I didn't take offense, buddy :)

View Postlinlindesu, on 18 August 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

Now, here's a bit of a sad statement. Acen is officially more expensive than Anime Expo.

Sad indeed. Also, I don't think we need to be hating on the ravers. I definitely don't condone the drug use and annoying drunakrds (I mean those who are out of control, not people who drink at the con- I drink).

View PostGITS SAC Motoko, on 18 August 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

And it is kinda sad that AX is more than ACEN....but ACEN is non-profit so we don't get the amazing money amounts that sponsors give AX for advertising at AX. So I feel maybe that's a factor that could be causing it.
Good call.

View PostS1NN3R, on 19 August 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

There is need to change, but it starts and ends with us.[/color]

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 10:17 AM

View PostS1NN3R, on 19 August 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

Before you read my post, please remember, I do not speak on behalf of Acen, MAPS or my work affiliates. My opinion is my own.

Having attended Acen since '01, the changes are difficult not to notice, but these are not the issues we need to address. As it was pointed out a few times already in this discussion, Acen is a non-profit convention and ultimately fan run.

Dances: As stated earlier, much of the single day badges purchased are due to the dances. This is the double edged sword. Without it, bigger named guests would be out of the question. With it, come the "ravers". I beleave this fits under the few spoil for many aspect. With any growing crowd, rebelious nature may/will insue do to the need for individualism. Those acting out are in need of attention, but spreading hatred instead of discontent only hurts the process of change. Keep in mind that even though it is a big event at the convention, it's not the only thing happening. Panels, video rooms, TT Gaming, and workshops are still running at the same time. If handled properly, the only issue should be personal schedule conflicts.

Panels: In short, We, as con-goers, are responsible for their shortcomings. We run them. We dictate what material is covered/discussed/shown; if there is a decline in anime related panels, we need to come up with them ourselves.

Dealers Room: It's all about what sells. Yes there has been a study decline in anime related goods, but that's because We are not purchasing them. The vendors take this into account and bring only what they can sell. With the dance groups and variances growing, it makes sense that they would change inventory. Supply and Demand

Cosplay: With the worlds economy in a decline, it would make sense that the cosplay become simpler. It just seems that they all kinda gear towards certon series do to the "what can I do" attitude of the con-goers. It's not do to lack of effort or conforming to a crowd, but lack of funds. I'm just glad they're trying.

Modern Attendees: It's true that the fandom has changed, but it all comes down to what's in. Naruto, Bleach, Soul Eater, ect... has built a fan base acceptable to today's standards. The following is not looked down on by much of the world do to there being content that has something for just about everyone. Story, art, emotion, conflict, romance, comity. It may not have the depth of anime past, but it has enough to be deemed acceptable by the normal people and keep us coming back. Thus their reach and effect being so massive.


On that note, I plain to host a panel (if selected) about the industry decline do to the causes and effects of the Modern People. I believe Acen is the foundation for the convention, but it is us who build it into what it is, what it will be. There is need to change, but it starts and ends with us.



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Posted 19 August 2011 - 01:05 PM

The funny thing about room parties, I remember Acen 2000 in the dealer room or just outside it there being a bulletin board and all sorts of room party invites on it. I don't think the amount of room parties have increased, rather focus on them has.
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 01:03 PM

View PostS1NN3R, on 19 August 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

There is need to change, but it starts and ends with us.[/color]



That is the best thing I have read yet...short and perfectly worded =)

It really is up too us, and maybe we should all talk about these changes...we have to start somewhere and I dont see anyone else leading or paving the way to a better con. We should all step up
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 01:23 PM

View PostEvangelion_Unit_01, on 20 August 2011 - 01:03 PM, said:

That is the best thing I have read yet...short and perfectly worded =)

It really is up too us, and maybe we should all talk about these changes...we have to start somewhere and I dont see anyone else leading or paving the way to a better con. We should all step up


I actually had this thought in mind after Acen of 2011 with all of the disorganization and lack of cordination. I was shocked about all of the mishaps and told myself to try to help out with something in 2012 if I could. Since many of the incidents that happen is due to a lack of extra help or people who said that they were going to work just not show up to help at all, (but still go to the con or expect things to happen right.)

The problem is that people step up and then either back out or the last minute or coward out. So I'm trying to make sure my persona life is ok so I don't end up as a statistic.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 09:42 PM

It would really be nice to actually collaborate with others here on the boards, and make Acen a better con. Most of the die hard Acen goers are the ones that POST here on the forums so what better place than here.

I'm sure if we put our heads together we can throw great panel ideas; among other things at the Acen Admins. I mean Bloo gave us the thread to post panel ideas...we should all take advantage of this.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 11:52 AM

Please do :D we have 5 more panel rooms this year and we need to fill them :) we had a little over 200 panels last year and barely more than that in applications, and that didn't even fill 9 rooms. So we'll need a lot more this year.
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:38 AM

View PostBloo09, on 21 August 2011 - 11:52 AM, said:

Please do :D we have 5 more panel rooms this year and we need to fill them :) we had a little over 200 panels last year and barely more than that in applications, and that didn't even fill 9 rooms. So we'll need a lot more this year.


Maybe they'll be taken up by some panels that harken to the days when ACEN was in its early iterations. With this being the big old 1-5, I'd like to see some retro-themed panels.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:07 PM

With my future in the air about ACen '12 and life in general, I'd really love to host my own panel. I think as a con goer that's my next step in doing something but I still have to iron some things out.
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 12:05 AM

If you need ideas we have a thread of ideas in the panel forum and in September we will be posting a list of specific panels panelists can apply for with a benefit for doing a panel ACen wants hosted. :) More will be posted about that soon! Posting it in September so people will have a month or so to prep their application for October when we open.
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 10:22 AM

View PostKirbyFanOne, on 22 August 2011 - 11:07 PM, said:

With my future in the air about ACen '12 and life in general, I'd really love to host my own panel. I think as a con goer that's my next step in doing something but I still have to iron some things out.


That would be awesome...I would come =D Hmmm...I need to start brainstorming some ideas
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 12:44 PM

View PostKirbyFanOne, on 22 August 2011 - 11:07 PM, said:

With my future in the air about ACen '12 and life in general, I'd really love to host my own panel. I think as a con goer that's my next step in doing something but I still have to iron some things out.


I'll show up if you do one for 2012.

I thought about doing a panel but had no idea what it would be about or who would join in, since my group of friends is limited to people from the forums >.<

Actually.....I would help you co panel if you do a panel and I can't think of anything for 2012. Not only do you save on badge prices, it would be a fun experience too.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:55 PM

View Postlinlindesu, on 18 August 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:


Yes, Acen has been a party con for a while now. That may have to do with acen not really having a lot of events or good guests. People are not attending Acen for the panels, events, or seeing their favoritest jpop artist or seiyuu; People are attending to party and hear some amazing djs spin ( despite what anyone thinks of the "ravers", the Djs Acen books draw a huge crowd every year for a reason. )


Truf.

I've been attending ACEN since 01'. First went cause a bunch of my friends were (and still are) on staff and was told there would be sweet arcades and games. And there was! I worked for the game room from 02' to 04' then joined the army and for those of you who know me, you know where this story goes.

ANYWAYS, been going every year since. And YES. ACEN HAS CHANGED.

Me personally, I don't watch a single anime, don't have any interest and don't ever plan on it. BUT hey if you don't like what ACEN is now, there ARE other cons out there. Take Anime World for example. A lot of people were impressed at the amount of anime related stuff there was there.

But I digress.

ACEN is and will always be a party con. People from other cons (heads of staff mind you) that I've talked to agree that we have the best party of any anime convention ever. Hell even other guests and DJs from out of this country LOVE coming every year just to hang out and party! I'm kinda biased because I'm talking from a behind the scenes perspective (been partying backstage every year since 01') but even among the dance floor, it's a blast! And everyone's so nice and cheerful. Hotel parties everywhere, it's a GREAT place to make new friends and keep in touch with those you see once in a while.

To me it will always be this way. I mean there's the sweet game room (which I still greatly participate in by donating my arcades) and it's the largest gathering of awesome dudes and dudettes in Chciago!

Why do you guys have to be dissing something that's great? ACEN is where I gained and LOST (yeah that) a lotta things.

I'm very grateful that I'm a resident DJ for the Soap Bubble and much thanks to linlindesu for that post. I know I speak for the other SB DJs when I say it really means a lot to us. I used to go just to attend the SB and yes, there were times when I was SH!T-faced drunk and probably on 305982590 other drugs, and there were times when I wasn't. Either way, I have fun. People I'm with usually do. And if stuff gets out of hand, we have one of the best voluntary security teams out there.

So like it's been said before, if you can't handle the change, go to other cons.

I will always love and defend ACEN till it's over or I die. Whatever comes first.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:50 PM

View PostDJ Jeffito, on 31 August 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:

Truf.

I've been attending ACEN since 01'. First went cause a bunch of my friends were (and still are) on staff and was told there would be sweet arcades and games. And there was! I worked for the game room from 02' to 04' then joined the army and for those of you who know me, you know where this story goes.

ANYWAYS, been going every year since. And YES. ACEN HAS CHANGED.

Me personally, I don't watch a single anime, don't have any interest and don't ever plan on it. BUT hey if you don't like what ACEN is now, there ARE other cons out there. Take Anime World for example. A lot of people were impressed at the amount of anime related stuff there was there.

But I digress.

ACEN is and will always be a party con. People from other cons (heads of staff mind you) that I've talked to agree that we have the best party of any anime convention ever. Hell even other guests and DJs from out of this country LOVE coming every year just to hang out and party! I'm kinda biased because I'm talking from a behind the scenes perspective (been partying backstage every year since 01') but even among the dance floor, it's a blast! And everyone's so nice and cheerful. Hotel parties everywhere, it's a GREAT place to make new friends and keep in touch with those you see once in a while.

To me it will always be this way. I mean there's the sweet game room (which I still greatly participate in by donating my arcades) and it's the largest gathering of awesome dudes and dudettes in Chciago!

Why do you guys have to be dissing something that's great? ACEN is where I gained and LOST (yeah that) a lotta things.

I'm very grateful that I'm a resident DJ for the Soap Bubble and much thanks to linlindesu for that post. I know I speak for the other SB DJs when I say it really means a lot to us. I used to go just to attend the SB and yes, there were times when I was SH!T-faced drunk and probably on 305982590 other drugs, and there were times when I wasn't. Either way, I have fun. People I'm with usually do. And if stuff gets out of hand, we have one of the best voluntary security teams out there.

So like it's been said before, if you can't handle the change, GROW THE FU@K UP. Or go to other cons.

I will always love and defend ACEN till it's over or I die. Whatever comes first. SO STFU and stop being losers.



Really? Now that's just being rude. :rolleyes: Not everyone likes to party or go to the Soap Bubble. Sorry that there are people out there that don't care for the Soap Bubble and don't want to see ACen become less and less of an anime convention, which is what it is supposed to be. Heaven forbid that ACen doesn't have anything anime-related. It might as well be called Party Central. I never go to the Soap Bubble anymore because the line is too long no matter what time it is and it has gotten less appealing to me. I really hope that ACen will be known as a great anime convention and not a party convention. I will gladly stop going if the changes continue to go in the party central direction. I have been attending since '03 and I love ACen a lot, but not as much as I used to. It was my first con and was my only con 'til '08. I would talk about how awesome it was and try to get people to go, but the last few years haven't been that great. I have really only been coming for friends who I only see once or twice a year because ACen doesn't get a lot of guests I am interested in and there aren't that many panels I'm interested in. ACen has become a tradition and I love that it is only 15-20 minutes from me, but if things don't pick up, I will be sad to say that '12 will be my last year.

Though I can see that you are biased since you A. Don't like anime and B. Are a DJ for the Soap Bubble, so I see why you would want to push ACen toward the party direction. ;)

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 12:02 AM

I've been attending since '04 and I've wanted to DJ Soap Bubble from the very beginning. I worked my way up from staffing for 2 years, DJing the car show and finally DJing the Soap Bubble in 2010. Luckily I was invited back to DJ again in 2011. My goal was to play more J-pop, K-pop, nerd and video game music at the Soap Bubble. People were begging for this stuff. I did my best to play it. So when I hear people saying how the dances are really relevant to the culture, it hurts a little.

If you don't like whats happening to the con, I suggest you contribute to the con by paneling or staffing like it did. I was one of y'all at one point. I wasn't satisfied with the experience I was having at Acen. I staffed '08-'09 and had a great time. At the same time I developed a new found respect for what the staffers have to put up with. Some of my buddies thought that the panels at Acen were lacking so they decided to run their own panel. Their panel "RPG's of the 90's" is one of the highest rated panels at Acen. I hate to sound like an after school special but, you can do something about Acen if you really wanted to.

Sadly I won't be back in 2012 because of reasons beyond my control. I wish I could be there to convert some haters of the dances to appreciate what I tried to bring to the con. Best of luck to ya!

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:24 AM

First of all, get some tape cause your breaking my heart. Acen changes every year a little more and a little more like its evolving, some things will stay some will go. Obviously with 24,000+ people last year more and more people are enjoying it, and considering the last 2 years the line has almost hit the highway for the dj rave parties, its safe to assume there are some people who enjoy the raves. Even 5 years ago Acen had what, 10,000 people? So the attendance has more than doubled. But there is a simple solution to it, dont go to the rave if you dont like it. I enjoyed both raves each night and guess what when i was done, i went down to the video game room and saw plenty of people still up, plenty of people in the card rooms just hangin out talking. Who cares if some random people come just to party, guess what, that makes Acen more popular to people besides anime fans, and if your gonna turn away people cause there emo, or goth, or ravers, or anything, than your just stupid cause plenty of people turn away people who like anime its called discrimination. I say whoever shows up to Acen to have a good time or looking for fun, come over, I dont care. And for people who put on crappy cosplays so what? That makes the people who spent 100 hours on a costume stand out that much more and make them shine. And for the room parties and drinking and drugs, owell, the world goes round and your never gonna stop that, theres 24000+ people. You know what also was new this year, someone proposed on stage, and guess what, theres gonna be 2 couples getting married, at ACEN. Should we stop those people if there not die hard anime fans, or they just show up to rave and have fun? Also, Extacy rave sounds like an awesome name someone make a panel. I've been a die hard anime fan for as long as I can remember and I'm 25 some im not some young kid saying a bunch of bs. As for the steam punk ppl who show up, good for you guys! You deserve to come to acen because even if acen started just for people who like anime, its become much more and since i dont know anything about steam punk and if you have your own conventions, you should be able to come cosplay and enjoy acen just like everyone else. Theres still table top gaming, Figurines, Anime, Manga, Plushies, Wallscrolls, and cool collectables and if theres not as much as there used to be its bc ppl either lost interest or people dont wanna make there own rooms. Don't also get the wrong idea about what I'm saying, there are always things that are good and arent good about anything but the way I look at it is that more people come to acen each year, every year its evolving, and i still see thousands of anime fans, cosplayers, and some new things. Guess what, i like anime and i love to rave, and im not the only one. I saw wall to wall almost of cosplayers, steam punkers and regular people in the ballroom and thats never happened once at any acen and was awesome! And to those who think the spirit of the con is gone think again, it doesnt have to be in every person that comes to acen, it just has to be in you and the people you go with to have a good time. ACEN keep doing your thing never a dull moment! Each year you go beyond impossible and kick reason to the curb!!!

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:32 AM

ok after reading all of this i feel that i have to respond.

for those of you who don't know me i've been working for acen since 99 and i am also the person that started the soapbubble in 2000(unofficially)/ 2001(officially). i would like to think that i'm responsible for what the soapbubble is today, the largest and best anime convention party in the country, but i'm not. i've had the help over the years of some of the best DJ's in the midwest, chicago, LA, Detroit, Milwaukee, the U.K. and Japan(DJ Khek, DJ Vinh Vu, DJ Jeffito, DJ Amaya, DJ Maru, DJ Mark Jandes DJ Mike Jandes,M-Project, Red Alice, Kors K and so many others). i consider all of these guys and gals the reason why every year since 2000 that the Soapbubble has grown the party it is today. As the promoter i'm very very pleased with the way the Soapbubble has grown, my only wish is that we could get it to run more smoothly and so people are not waiting in line for hours standing outside doing nothing.

don't get me wrong i get a kick seeing how many people are out there trying to get in, it just shows that we are doing something right if people really are dedicated to standing in line for 3hours just to get in and dance and listen to our awesome DJ's. if there were a way for us to make the wait less then i would absolutely do it. I think the only solution for that would be to move the Soapbubble into a much larger venue, but then comes the matter of cost and i know that is a definitely a tough thing to over come for us at acen.

some of you think acen being a party con is a bad thing, but it isn't a good majority of people come to acen to "party" but everyone's definition of "party" is different. i think of partying as hanging out with my friends and having a good time where ever it maybe, a club, a bar, our apartment having a BBQ playing Street Fighter in the garage, whatever it maybe. the people that attend the Soapbubble like to party that way. you guys who are against the Soapbubble like to do other things when you party. So why do you have to look down on those that like to go to the Soapbubble?

The Soapbubble is one of the largest if not the largest attended event at acen. I've never seen the room as packed as it was this year it was a sight to see and i was so happy to see the room filled with fans dancing there buttes off.

i'm not gonna rag or put you guys down if you don't like Soapbubble and the people that attend, but honestly everyone that goes to acen is there to have a goodtime and meet up with friends that probably haven't seen all year. lets try to be a bit more understanding remember at one point you were NEW to acen too and the older crowd that had been goin since 98 or 99 probably didn't understand the stuff you liked at the time.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 02:03 AM

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:44 AM

For those who've recently posted, I ask that you read/skim the posts prior. Not only has the Soapbubble issue already been discussed, and for the most part resolved, but the response lina gave was do to DJ Jeffito's disregard to the people on this forum.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:02 AM

I would recommend that everyone go to as many cons as you can afford. Get a different spin on how other cons run.
I've been to many. Each has their own merits and shortcomings.
There are several new cons here in the Chicago area and they have yet to be tainted by the party/drug/drunk/4chan crowds.
It's a different, more fun world... and dare I say it, less drama filled.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:40 AM

View PostDJ Jeffito, on 31 August 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:

Truf.

I've been attending ACEN since 01'. First went cause a bunch of my friends were (and still are) on staff and was told there would be sweet arcades and games. And there was! I worked for the game room from 02' to 04' then joined the army and for those of you who know me, you know where this story goes.

ANYWAYS, been going every year since. And YES. ACEN HAS CHANGED.

Me personally, I don't watch a single anime, don't have any interest and don't ever plan on it. BUT hey if you don't like what ACEN is now, there ARE other cons out there. Take Anime World for example. A lot of people were impressed at the amount of anime related stuff there was there.

But I digress.

ACEN is and will always be a party con. People from other cons (heads of staff mind you) that I've talked to agree that we have the best party of any anime convention ever. Hell even other guests and DJs from out of this country LOVE coming every year just to hang out and party! I'm kinda biased because I'm talking from a behind the scenes perspective (been partying backstage every year since 01') but even among the dance floor, it's a blast! And everyone's so nice and cheerful. Hotel parties everywhere, it's a GREAT place to make new friends and keep in touch with those you see once in a while.

To me it will always be this way. I mean there's the sweet game room (which I still greatly participate in by donating my arcades) and it's the largest gathering of awesome dudes and dudettes in Chciago!

Why do you guys have to be dissing something that's great? ACEN is where I gained and LOST (yeah that) a lotta things.

I'm very grateful that I'm a resident DJ for the Soap Bubble and much thanks to linlindesu for that post. I know I speak for the other SB DJs when I say it really means a lot to us. I used to go just to attend the SB and yes, there were times when I was SH!T-faced drunk and probably on 305982590 other drugs, and there were times when I wasn't. Either way, I have fun. People I'm with usually do. And if stuff gets out of hand, we have one of the best voluntary security teams out there.

So like it's been said before, if you can't handle the change, GROW THE FU@K UP. Or go to other cons.

I will always love and defend ACEN till it's over or I die. Whatever comes first. SO STFU and stop being losers.



For someone who's on staff your post here is unacceptable and nonprofesional.

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