[disappearing_boy64]

A week ago, I was talking to a friend at school about a particular comic. She was starting to get frustrated by the conversation and told me she absolutely hates comic books. She's a huge Anime/manga fan and she thinks comic books are stupid. I was starting to get a bit confused and a little peeved she would say that.
This isn't the first time I've heard this someone say something like this before.
I've always enjoyed Anime/manga and comic books, I really don't see much of a difference to be honest.
I can have a conversation about anime as much as comics, but if I'm talking to someone that just likes anime, I feel singled out. I think someone can like both and have a good
and have a balance between both topics.

I wanted to get other peoples opinion and just see what other people have to say about this.

[Alkaren Hyralt]

There's always going to be fandom hate, man. No matter what you're in to.

[Lina]

I can see where you are coming from. Manga and comic books are basically the same thing. One "originated" in the East and the other in the West. Basically, she is saying comics in general are stupid (manga is in that category). While I don't agree with her, she has the right to an opinion. I do agree with Alk though.

[disappearing_boy64]

Yea true, I just notice so much negativity over both genres. It's like people can choose between one or the other. I particularly like both, depending on the time; I might be into one more than other for a certain time. It doesn't mean I can't still like the other genre. For instance since C2E2 is coming, I've been going crazy over what comics were coming out and the writers that are coming. I feel the same way when ACen comes around the corner or if I suddenly find a new series that I get interested in.

[i_like_kyos]

Well I read manga all the time but in general im not interested in comic books. Im pretty sure the only western comic i've read is watchmen, if that even counts. Superheroes is what I equate western comics and it doesn't seem interesting to me....

[disappearing_boy64]

Lina, on 24 February 2011 - 01:40 AM, said:

I can see where you are coming from. Manga and comic books are basically the same thing. One "originated" in the East and the other in the West. Basically, she is saying comics in general are stupid (manga is in that category). While I don't agree with her, she has the right to an opinion. I do agree with Alk though.

And she does have the right to her opinion, that is true.
Also I think when people say comic books, they immediately think of super hero comics, which is the general genre, but there are comics out there that have interesting stories
and do not fit into superhero genre at all. I most like the superhero genre, but there are comics I read that have nothing to do with superheroes.

[FlyingElf]

I'm disappointed by a lot of the hate in fandom in general. Aren't we all nerds? Shouldn't we support each other rather than get at put each other down over minor differences in opinion? I mean so what? There is certainly room for good natured debate between the 2 and I welcome that, but I see far too much rage over what amount to essentially irrelevant differences. Even amongst the anime community its getting worse. Look at how many people look down and ostracize someone for liking just Naruto and Bleach. Instead of putting them down and acting superior to them, why not sit them down and open their eyes to the world that is out there? And if you do that and they say no thanks, I like what I like, so be it. So what?

[Alkaren Hyralt]

FlyingElf, on 24 February 2011 - 02:05 AM, said:

I'm disappointed by a lot of the hate in fandom in general. Aren't we all nerds? Shouldn't we support each other rather than get at put each other down over minor differences in opinion? I mean so what? There is certainly room for good natured debate between the 2 and I welcome that, but I see far too much rage over what amount to essentially irrelevant differences. Even amongst the anime community its getting worse. Look at how many people look down and ostracize someone for liking just Naruto and Bleach. Instead of putting them down and acting superior to them, why not sit them down and open their eyes to the world that is out there? And if you do that and they say no thanks, I like what I like, so be it. So what?

I'm a pretty jaded person myself when it comes to things, and I'll be the first to admit so, but anyone who can't take some stuff given them through at the certainly has never lasted at my apples to apples game wouldn't be that fun to play with.

Basically don't be so thin-skinned is how I view it and you'll be cool. My A-Kon apples to apples rags hardcore on Naruto a lot in the past, but this girl that cosplay Naruto has been welcome at my table for years, and one of the people I allow to watch the game when I'm away.

Basically if someone can't take any criticism or have some fun with their fandom I don't think they're really cool people to hang out with in my groups.

FE and plenty of others rag on Texas and things like y'all all the time, for example.

Though as a follow up there was this really big black guy cosplaying some guy from Bleach with a beard and stuff and we started calling him Black Moses. He rolled with it, and this guy is probably one of my best con friends.

Basically folks, people may hate on stuff you like, but roll with it. If black moses and others hadn't rolled with it, I wouldn't have met some of the coolest con people I have. So just keep an open mind if you run across people hating on things you like. You might be surprised with the outcome.

[FlyingElf]

Alkaren Hyralt, on 24 February 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

I'm a pretty jaded person myself when it comes to things, and I'll be the first to admit so, but anyone who can't take some stuff given them through at the certainly has never lasted at my apples to apples game wouldn't be that fun to play with.

Basically don't be so thin-skinned is how I view it and you'll be cool. My A-Kon apples to apples rags hardcore on Naruto a lot in the past, but this girl that cosplay Naruto has been welcome at my table for years, and one of the people I allow to watch the game when I'm away.

Basically if someone can't take any criticism or have some fun with their fandom I don't think they're really cool people to hang out with in my groups.

FE and plenty of others rag on Texas and things like y'all all the time, for example.

Though as a follow up there was this really big black guy cosplaying some guy from Bleach with a beard and stuff and we started calling him Black Moses. He rolled with it, and this guy is probably one of my best con friends.

Basically folks, people may hate on stuff you like, but roll with it. If black moses and others hadn't rolled with it, I wouldn't have met some of the coolest con people I have. So just keep an open mind if you run across people hating on things you like. You might be surprised with the outcome.

I'm not talking about the people who poke fun with some good natured ribbing. I'm talking about people who seriously have a superiority complex when someone likes Naruto or feels the need to point out why that series sucks every time its brought up. Its like chill dude. You have an opinion. Awesome, but no need to make someone else feel bad because you don't like something they do.

[GITS SAC Motoko]

FlyingElf, on 24 February 2011 - 02:05 AM, said:

I'm disappointed by a lot of the hate in fandom in general. Aren't we all nerds? Shouldn't we support each other rather than get at put each other down over minor differences in opinion? I mean so what? There is certainly room for good natured debate between the 2 and I welcome that, but I see far too much rage over what amount to essentially irrelevant differences. Even amongst the anime community its getting worse. Look at how many people look down and ostracize someone for liking just Naruto and Bleach. Instead of putting them down and acting superior to them, why not sit them down and open their eyes to the world that is out there? And if you do that and they say no thanks, I like what I like, so be it. So what?

This!!!!!!!!!!!
We all like the same thing. It's like gaming too--why do we diss each other's consoles? You like Xbox, I like Nintendo...so and so likes PS3...who cares! Fandom hate to me is immature. Whatever series you like doesn't make you better. The more series you see THEN have your opinion about them is mature. *shakes head and sighs* People these days.... whatever happened to "hey i like this. Oh! Well I don't that very much but I like this. Oh cool!" Something along those lines. It frustrates me because I know people are better than that.

[Snow_Storm]

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She's a huge Anime/manga fan and she thinks comic books are stupid.

As somebody who grew up reading comic books first before gettin' into anime, I raged a bit. By your friend's logic, manga are also complete crap because mangas are basically another branch of comic books. I dunno, I just hate these younger generation of anime/manga fans who rag on American comic books because it's not Japanese or in the anime art form.

Me personally, I don't fanboyism off of anything. In fact, I think it's quite immature to do so. Yeah, I have my nerdgasm on a few things but I try to keep it under control.

[Prayer Police]

MANswer: Punch her......in the face!!!!

[Rukariou]

Same argument has been said over anime versus Western animation, too. It's like, whatever floats your boat. But like Elf and Alk said, no need to start ragging on it, its all in good fun.

I'm so used to reading manga right to left these days its hard for me to read comics (even web comics I do this lol) I really have to concentrate, but if I like the story enough I sure will.

This post has been edited by Rukariou: 24 February 2011 - 10:43 AM

[Shinamura]

Kinda sounds like my dad. But vice versa.

[YoungBirdcall]

Your friend is most likely associating super heroes in spandex with Western comic books (to be fair, not an unprecedented association on her part). If she isn't, then her statement is illogical (as other posters mentioned already, if comics are stupid then manga is stupid, as manga are just comics from a different part of the world). Many people find the notion of traditional American super hero comics to be a silly one, and that is her prerogative. Every one has their preferences, but a bit of brevity goes a long way during friendly discourse. Don't get long-winded when trying to defend Western comics, simply tell her that they and manga are two sides of the same coin, and maybe point out that plenty of Western comics do not feature super heroes at all.

[Keiichi-chan]

comic books and manga are generally pretty different thematically and aesthetically; that prevents people who're really into either from giving the other a chance.

i encountered this a lot, and used to be sort of pro-manga and anti-comics in high school, assuming manga was more 'adult' or whatever. now that i actually read comics, i sort of feel the exact opposite. they're both sequential art, and people definitely SHOULD try and be more open-minded. when manga fans think of comics, they think of cliched and silly superhero stories, but there are plenty of amazing non-superhero comics. when comic fans think of manga, they think of pokemon and naruto, and generally sort of trendy series aimed at preteens that they consider to have no depth--but there are plenty of great series beyond the trendy preteen stuff.

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Even amongst the anime community its getting worse. Look at how many people look down and ostracize someone for liking just Naruto and Bleach.

i fully support the disdain for these two series as they are both terrible manga.
no, no, i'm kidding, but honestly, most naruto and bleach fans i know make fun of and bash the series THEMSELVES because both series have fallen so low in terms of quality at this point that it's undeniable even to long-term fans. i hear naruto is starting to improve with the recent story arc, but meh..

i personally think if you've actually watched/read the series, you have the right to bash it or complain, especially if you purchased manga and/or dvds. it's only when people are bashing a series because it's trendy to bash it that it pissed me off; naruto was an okay series in the beginning, but many people refused to watch it and slammed anyone for liking it even then, purely because the fanbase was so large.

This post has been edited by Keiichi-chan: 24 February 2011 - 12:25 PM

[Keiichi-chan]

GITS SAC Motoko, on 24 February 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

This!!!!!!!!!!!
We all like the same thing. It's like gaming too--why do we diss each other's consoles? You like Xbox, I like Nintendo...so and so likes PS3...who cares! Fandom hate to me is immature. Whatever series you like doesn't make you better. The more series you see THEN have your opinion about them is mature. *shakes head and sighs* People these days.... whatever happened to "hey i like this. Oh! Well I don't that very much but I like this. Oh cool!" Something along those lines. It frustrates me because I know people are better than that.

people were never, ever like that.
no offense, but i don't agree with that analogy at all.
ps3, xbox, and wiis are different systems, all with different strengths and flaws and that's undeniable. every single anime or manga series that exists doesn't necessarily have its own personal strengths. there are plenty of series that are just irredeemably bad; it's more like books or tv shows or movies than video game consoles.

i wouldn't make fun of someone for liking whatever they like, but i don't see the harm in simply saying that i personally think something is crappy or overrated, especially if i used to like that series or have tried very hard TO LIKE it. there should be some kind of word-of-mouth quality control, so that i don't waste all my time and money checking out crappy over-hyped series after crappy over-hyped series until i find one that's actually good.

This post has been edited by Keiichi-chan: 24 February 2011 - 12:23 PM

[disappearing_boy64]

Keiichi-chan, on 24 February 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

comic books and manga are generally pretty different thematically and aesthetically; that prevents people who're really into either from giving the other a chance.

i encountered this a lot, and used to be sort of pro-manga and anti-comics in high school, assuming manga was more 'adult' or whatever. now that i actually read comics, i sort of feel the exact opposite. they're both sequential art, and people definitely SHOULD try and be more open-minded. when manga fans think of comics, they think of cliched and silly superhero stories, but there are plenty of amazing non-superhero comics. when comic fans think of manga, they think of pokemon and naruto, and generally sort of trendy series aimed at preteens that the feel have no depth--but there are plenty of great series beyond the trendy preteen stuff.

i fully support the disdain for these two series as they are both terrible manga.
no, no, i'm kidding, but honestly, most naruto and bleach fans i know make fun of and bash the series THEMSELVES because both series have fallen so low in terms of quality at this point that it's undeniable even to long-term fans. i hear naruto is starting to improve with the recent story arc, but meh..

i personally think if you've actually watched/read the series, you have the right to bash it or complain, especially if you purchased manga and/or dvds. it's only when people are bashing a series because it's trendy to bash it that it pissed me off; naruto was an okay series in the beginning, but many people refused to watch it and slammed anyone for liking it even then, purely because the fanbase was so large.

I can agree, I'm not a fan of Naruto or Bleach.
I am amazed by the fandom of these two series though.
I also loathe Gundam Seed. I loved gundam until Seed appeared.

[Kasin]

Well, idk about the hate for comics, but i could see a dislike of them.

Comics are based largely on superheros, and very few see the light of day when they are not. ex: walking dead, or the losers. where as anime/manga have a huge varity, but if she doesn't like comics, then she shouldn't really enjoy all anime/manga.

naruto,bleach,DBZ, and etc are actually starting to appear in superhero discussions, and fan list. Although this is weird to me, since my idea of a hero is the suit, the unique powers, and etc.

I like some of both, because both are done very well. Both have great story lines.

I think many people put an image on things. Like naruto fans are all spazzy, or comics are all superman/batman/deadpool like and nothing else. I remember a sterotype that said every anime has big hair, big eyes, big boobs, and big robots. DBZ and pokemon made a bad image for anime for a while. I remember every one i talked to about anime instantly mocked DBZ or pokemon for years.

[Keiichi-chan]

Kasin, on 24 February 2011 - 12:40 PM, said:

Well, idk about the hate for comics, but i could see a dislike of them.

Comics are based largely on superheros, and very few see the light of day when they are not. ex: walking dead, or the losers. where as anime/manga have a huge varity, but if she doesn't like comics, then she shouldn't really enjoy all anime/manga.

naruto,bleach,DBZ, and etc are actually starting to appear in superhero discussions, and fan list. Although this is weird to me, since my idea of a hero is the suit, the unique powers, and etc.

I like some of both, because both are done very well. Both have great story lines.

I think many people put an image on things. Like naruto fans are all spazzy, or comics are all superman/batman/deadpool like and nothing else. I remember a sterotype that said every anime has big hair, big eyes, big boobs, and big robots. DBZ and pokemon made a bad image for anime for a while. I remember every one i talked to about anime instantly mocked DBZ or pokemon for years.

..a hit television series based on it is somehow 'not seeing the light of day'?
pretty much any popular comic book series nowadays gets tons of fanfare. scott pilgrim started off as a tiny indie book, and they literally painted ALL OF THE COMIC-CON CONVENTION into a giant billboard for the multi-million dollar movie adaptation last summer. they're making a giant lord of the rings-style adaptation based on jeff smith's BONE; literally every other comic that becomes a hit gets tons of producers pouncing on licensing and hyping it to mainstream audiences.

manga tends to ride genre cliches a LOT harder than comic books in the last decade have, actually. you think there's more diversity in manga purely because you're more familiar with manga than you are western comic books, the same way comic fans assume ALL manga is just a different version of naruto.

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Both have great story lines.

dbz, naruto, and bleach all have the exact same storyline--not my definition of great, but to each his own..

This post has been edited by Keiichi-chan: 24 February 2011 - 12:49 PM

[ninjaxllama]

While I'm not really that big into comics, I probably wouldn't mind reading them if given the chance. I know a friend who doesn't really care for them because of the art style that most of them have. I think she has every right to think this way because everyone has their own aesthetic preferences.

[KirbyFanOne]

Comic books and manga to me convey the story the same way; through the mixed use of well done artwork and well written text. They are both graphic novels to me, and to hate one or the other when you like the opposite is, in my opinion, a huge waste of time and personal resources.

[Keiichi-chan]

ninjaxllama, on 24 February 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

While I'm not really that big into comics, I probably wouldn't mind reading them if given the chance. I know a friend who doesn't really care for them because of the art style that most of them have. I think she has every right to think this way because everyone has their own aesthetic preferences.

i used to feel that way until i actually starting reading comics and saw that they tend to have more diverse art styles than manga, actually. i mean, 3-4/5 manga look VERY SIMILAR, down to the point that it's tough or impossible to tell who the author is from the art alone. sometimes, it's tough to tell which character is which, who is a male or female, etc.-- and, with many manga artist, everyone generally looks exactly the same just with different hairstyles. even when it's a manga i enjoy, i still think it's kind of lame for the artist to be THAT lazy with character designs. =\

now if i just pick a few pictures from comics i've been reading and post them here, i'm almost positive they're going to have VERY different art styles from book to book:
http://graphics8.nyt...oks/vizz190.jpg
http://images2.fanpo...7-1600-1200.jpg
http://www.lambiek.n...ez_j_maggie.jpg
http://robot6.comicb...sdonesmalll.jpg
http://farm3.static...._2493b9a52c.jpg
http://blog.eduify.c...ig-Thompson.jpg
http://www.beguiling...images/4925.jpg
http://lambiek.net/a...l1_march_08.jpg
http://goodcomics.co...chiggers_11.jpg


if i want to find 3 or manga art styles that look drastically different from one another, i really have to search around..not to bash manga or anything, but between the two comic book styles it definitely isn't the one with artists using all these totally unique drawing styles. i do think it's just easier to find GOOD manga than it is to find comic books you'd enjoy because of the way comics have lower printings, lots of comic books are out of stock or discontinued, the genres are less defined, etc. western comics are just way less accessible and tougher to get into than manga, because you have to hunt around a lot more before you begin to find series and authors that suit your taste.

This post has been edited by Keiichi-chan: 24 February 2011 - 01:40 PM

[Kasin]

Keiichi-chan, on 24 February 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:

..a hit television series based on it is somehow 'not seeing the light of day'?
pretty much any popular comic book series nowadays gets tons of fanfare. scott pilgrim started off as a tiny indie book, and they literally painted ALL OF THE COMIC-CON CONVENTION into a giant billboard for the multi-million dollar movie adaptation last summer. they're making a giant lord of the rings-style adaptation based on jeff smith's BONE; literally every other comic that becomes a hit gets tons of producers pouncing on licensing and hyping it to mainstream audiences.

manga tends to ride genre cliches a LOT harder than comic books in the last decade have, actually. you think there's more diversity in manga purely because you're more familiar with manga than you are western comic books, the same way comic fans assume ALL manga is just a different version of naruto.

dbz, naruto, and bleach all have the exact same storyline--not my definition of great, but to each his own..

what are you talking about? i didn't say that at all. Scott pilgrim was one of the few that saw the light of day, just like walking dead. I never said it didn't, and in fact i said "Comics are based largely on superheros, and very few see the light of day when they are not.". In fact I used walkiing dead as an example of this.

Just because we know of other comics, doesn't mean non comic fans do. They DO get tons of fanfare from comic fans, but people who are not fans consider comics mostly all superman/batman/deadpool like.

I bet the majority don't even know kickass was a comic first, or walking dead.

You said "every other comic that becomes a hit", compared to the tons that do not?

And i see alot of different genres of manga, i walk into a comic store, either here or down town chicago, and see very little.

Finally, The naruto, bleach, and DBZ comment, was an example of anime/manga character being considered superheros.
That statement was meant torwards comics, and manga in general. "I like both, because both have good storylines.". Such as, soul eater, and the knight fall arc from batman.

This post has been edited by Kasin: 24 February 2011 - 02:08 PM

[Rori]

ninjaxllama, on 24 February 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

While I'm not really that big into comics, I probably wouldn't mind reading them if given the chance. I know a friend who doesn't really care for them because of the art style that most of them have. I think she has every right to think this way because everyone has their own aesthetic preferences.

THIS.

There are plenty of art styles (manga, comics, or otherwise) I'm not really a fan of, but I can respect where they came from. I get irritated at the immaturity of people who feel the need to "prove" that what-have-you art style is stupid. That's why its art, not science.

*shrug*

[Keiichi-chan]

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what are you talking about? i didn't say that at all. Scott pilgrim was one of the few that saw the light of day, just like walking dead. I never said it didn't, and in fact i said "Comics are based largely on superheros, and very few see the light of day when they are not.".

those books 'saw the light of day' because they were insanely popular.
scott pilgrim and the walking dead were the two best-selling comic books in america for the last couple years pretty consistently. this gives me the impression it has less to do with genre, which is your argument, and more to do with popularity, which makes sense from a business standpoint, kasin. plenty of superhero comics don't get movie, tv, or merchandising because they simply aren't popular enough.

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They DO get tons of fanfare from comic fans

tv shows, movies, video games, merchandising, etc. are all mainstream tie-ins and fanfare from major companies. they're trying to sell the series to mainstream audiences, not doing it for the fans alone to have those things.

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You said "every other comic that becomes a hit", compared to the tons that do not?

why should a company support a comic that can't find an audience?
superman movies aren't made for fans of the character, they're made so the company backing it can make cash off the title. the walking dead and scott pilgrim got made because the companies saw something that was doing well with a smaller audience, and they wanted to make a boatload of money by introducing it to a larger audience in hopes that it would be a mainstream success.

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And i see alot of different genres of manga, i go to comic stores, and see very little.

-that's because you're unfamiliar with comic books, and you're more familiar with manga, not to mention, like i said, genres in comic books are less defined than in manga. most manga is pretty much a 'committee' creation, with the editor and popular trends having a HEAVY influence over the creative process. most non-superhero comics, and even some superhero ones, are just an author telling whatever story they want to tell, so there's less of the 'it needs to have this character and follows this sort of story routine' type of thinking; it's tougher to define western comics, while most manga fits into a really specific genre.

-sadly, the majority of manga i see in stores is either just tons and tons of either ecchi or shonen, that's not what i consider 'tons of genres'. i normally have to order online if i wanted manga of any genre besides shonen..

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[Kasin]

Keiichi-chan, on 24 February 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

those books 'saw the light of day' because they were insanely popular.
scott pilgrim and the walking dead were the two best-selling comic books in america for the last couple years pretty consistently. this gives me the impression it has less to do with genre, which is your argument, and more to do with popularity, which makes sense from a business standpoint, kasin. plenty of superhero comics don't get movie, tv, or merchandising because they simply aren't popular enough.

tv shows, movies, video games, merchandising, etc. are all mainstream tie-ins and fanfare from major companies. they're trying to sell the series to mainstream audiences, not doing it for the fans alone to have those things.

why should a company support a comic that can't find an audience?
superman movies aren't made for fans of the character, they're made so the company backing it can make cash off the title. the walking dead and scott pilgrim got made because the companies saw something that was doing well with a smaller audience, and they wanted to make a boatload of money by introducing it to a larger audience in hopes that it would be a mainstream success.


-that's because you're unfamiliar with comic books, and you're more familiar with manga, not to mention, like i said, genres in comic books are less defined than in manga. most manga is pretty much a 'committee' creation, with the editor and popular trends having a HEAVY influence over the creative process. most non-superhero comics, and even some superhero ones, are just an author telling whatever story they want to tell, so there's less of the 'it needs to have this character and follows this sort of story routine' type of thinking; it's tougher to define western comics, while most manga fits into a really specific genre.

-sadly, the majority of manga i see in stores is either just tons and tons of either ecchi or shonen, that's not what i consider 'tons of genres'. i normally have to order online if i wanted manga of any genre besides ecchi or shonen..

So are you saying that out of the millions, and millions, of comic books super hero or not, that walking dead, and scott pilgrim, are not part of a few non superhero comics that see the light of day?

I never said all superheros get games and movies, but can you name 10 non superhero/hero comics that came out in the last 3 years with movies and games? I got the first 5: scott pilgrim, walking dead, losers, scott pilgrim the game, kickass...

but your absolutely right! Why would they promote something with little fanbase? why let it see the light of day? others don't care, and so only a few make it, and like i said in my example, walking dead did. So did scott pilgrim.

On the manga

True, but thats what's popular in manga, and are sold at books stores. Unfortunately there are no manga shops. Doesn't mean the selection is limited. When i go into a comic shop, and see the indie comics on one shelf in the back, that worries me.

[Keiichi-chan]

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So are you saying that out of the millions, and millions, of comic books super hero or not, that walking dead, and scott pilgrim, are not part of a few non superhero comics that see the light of day?

no, i'm saying you insinuating that non-superhero comics are being discriminated against by movie studios and whatever big companies back the venture of pushing a comic adaptation to the public is ridiculous. the comic industry itself might be discriminating against non-superhero series, but once they're popular enough, it doesn't make a difference to movie producers and stuff; they just know that it's making money with comic fans, now maybe it can make 10x that with the general public.

you don't seem to understand that larger companies like marvel or dc tend to back superhero books with larger print runs and promotion, so it's tougher for any non-superhero books to find an audience with comic fans in the first place. once it's a hit, studios don't show any bias in making it into a film or whatever. there has been a BONE video game around since before making superhero movies was even popular.

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I never said all superheros get games and movies, but can you name 10 non superhero/hero comics that came out in the last 3 years with movies and games? I got the first 5: scott pilgrim, walking dead, losers, scott pilgrim the game, kickass...

umm..what point are you trying to make? but okay, your funeral, man..i assume you count tv shows, too, because the walking dead is a tv show, not a movie or video game. 3 years is a ridiculous number since it takes almost that long just to MAKE a damn film, though. i'm going to use 'films made in the 2000's that were based on non-superhero comics,' if you don't mind..i mean, there probably haven't even been ten SUPERHERO movies in the past three years alone..

10.scott pilgrim
9. the walking dead
8. the losers
7. kick-a$$
6.scott pilgrim the video game (don't know why this counts twice, but it's part of your list..)
5.a history of violence
4.road to perdition
3.american splendor
2.ghost world
1.art school confidental

*bonus round*: wanted
**bonus bonus round**: jonah hex

i avoided movies like 'the crow'(there were 2-3 crow films made in the mid-2000's) and things like '300' or 'sin city', just to make it a little more challenging or whatever.

This post has been edited by Keiichi-chan: 24 February 2011 - 03:00 PM

[Kasin]

Keiichi-chan, on 24 February 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

no, i'm saying you insinuating that non-superhero comics are being discriminated against by movie studios and whatever big companies back the venture of pushing a comic adaptation to the public is ridiculous. the comic industry itself might be discriminating against non-superhero series, but once they're popular enough, it doesn't make a difference to movie producers and stuff; they just know that it's making money with comic fans, now maybe it can make 10x that with the general public.

you don't seem to understand that larger companies like marvel or dc tend to back superhero books with larger print runs and promotion, so it's tougher for any non-superhero books to find an audience with comic fans in the first place. once it's a hit, studios don't show any bias in making it into a film or whatever. there has been a BONE video game around since before making superhero movies was even popular.

umm..what point are you trying to make? but okay, your funeral, man..i assume you count tv shows, too, because the walking dead is a tv show, not a movie or video game. 3 years is a ridiculous number since it takes almost that just to MAKE a damn film, though. i'm going to use 'films made in the 2000's that were based on non-superhero comics,' if you don't mind..i mean, there probably haven't even been ten SUPERHERO movies in the past three years alone..

10.scott pilgrim
9. the walking dead
8. the losers
7. scott pilgrim
6.scott pilgrim the video game (don't know why this counts twice, but it's your list..)
5.a history of violence
4.road to perdition
3.american splendor
2.ghost world
1.art school confidental

i avoided characters like 'the crow'(there were 2-3 crow films made in the mid-2000's) and things like '300' or 'sin city', just to make it a little more challenging or whatever.

you seem to be putting words in my mouth, and then proving me right. I never said anything about media, so idk where your going with that.

However, this "you don't seem to understand that larger companies like marvel or dc tend to back superhero books with larger print runs and promotion, so it's tougher for any non-superhero books to find an audience with comic fans in the first place. once it's a hit, studios don't show any bias in making it into a film or whatever.." is exactly my point. You go to a grocery store, you go to a comic shop, and what will u see? How many non superhero/hero comic will you see? So those who are not, for a lack of better works, comic geeks, think of who...superman maybe? batman?...spider-man?

stop reading to much into my comment, it was simply. "very few non superhero comics see the light of day.". examples of one that did, walking dead.

Great list, now how many were in mainstream threaters like sin city, the losers, and scott pilgrim (scott pilgrim the game counted because i said movies and games)?

also kickass was technically about superheros.

Also, anything past the first crow is a joke, just like the other robocops.

This post has been edited by Kasin: 24 February 2011 - 03:18 PM

[Kasin]

Also, i'm going with the media topic because u brought it up. however, it's an example of who actually sees the movies, in which the general public don't. However, they heard about ironman, and knew abot the ironman movie way more then scott pilgrim.

Heck even the scott pilgrim dvd/bluray trailor was down played on tv.

This post has been edited by Kasin: 24 February 2011 - 03:24 PM