[chibiskuld]

Here's a news article about it:
http://www.dallasnew...y-showdown-.ece

What do you people think? Think maybe soon we'll start to see some pretty crazy AI applications from this? Or is this just reallllly scary and creepy?

[Rukariou]

I hope somebody can track these episodes down online. It's one thing to read about it, and another to actually watch Watson play Jeopardy. Even most of the questions where he wasn't "sure" about the answer, and the other contestants answered he was still right. And then there were other times where Toronto suddenly became an US city But joking aside, it is really amazing. And something that could be applied to the medical field and diagnose fast and possibly save lives.

It's not scary or creepy at all. Watson doesn't interact with humans, he can't see or hear. He doesn't understand facial ticks or tone of voice. Once they teach a computer do all that a la Hollywood, then you can be scared.

[The Fujoshi]

First question: No

Second question: did you see what was said at the last question? Simpson ref. from the contestants.

If computers take over I welcome our overlords and personally think it would be cool to be a cyborg or Vocaloid myself.

[chibiskuld]

The Fujoshi, on 18 February 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

First question: No

Second question: did you see what was said at the last question? Simpson ref. from the contestants.

If computers take over I welcome our overlords and personally think it would be cool to be a cyborg or Vocaloid myself.

Actually, I never answered what I thought.
1. imagine a website you can go and ask a computer like this any kind of trivia question, it'd be an awesome instant media archive.
2. Nah, probably not really that creepy. Unfortunately I'm in the same boat as most people, I haven't been able to watch the show but only read about it.

[Millions_Knives]

with up most gravity i watched with great foreboding
it absolutely acted in a way a human would (faults and all)
though with vastly greater resources

Rukariu a computer does not need to interact with humans to be powerful
(im sure IBM fully understands this)

i personally would like a bit more versatile body to honest

This post has been edited by Millions_Knives: 18 February 2011 - 02:26 PM

[Rukariou]

Millions_Knives, on 18 February 2011 - 02:25 PM, said:

with up most gravity i watched with great foreboding
it absolutely acted in a way a human would (faults and all)
though with vastly greater resources

Rukariu a computer does not need to interact with humans to be powerful
(im sure IBM fully understands this)

i personally would like a bit more versatile body to honest

I didn't say that? I'm not saying it's not powerful, I'm saying there is no reason to be scared of this technology because it's not like it's going to run the world, or something.

[wrexness]

For all of the advances that Watson shows in terms of spoken language comprehension, it's still a looooong way to go before we get to Hollywood-style androids. Keep in mind it took close to a decade just to be able to get Watson to be able to play Jeopardy... and that's it... There are certainly applications that can be based on this research, but it takes a ton of effort designing algorithms and a lot of space to store the computers just to perform this one application.

Don't get me wrong, Watson's performance is incredible. I have personal experience in AI (only a couple of semesters of work in college, but still) so I have an idea of how hard it would be to make something as advanced as Watson, but it's still a very specialized use of AI technology. It's a step towards androids, but it's a small one.

[chibiskuld]

It's still fun stuff. I wonder if there's going to be like "challange watson" episodes in the future.

[wrexness]

What I would love to see (if they don't already have plans to do so already) is a DVD release detailing the behind-the-scenes about everything that went into this event. Without a doubt it's very fascinating.

[XenoBlade]

Rukariou, on 18 February 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

I didn't say that? I'm not saying it's not powerful, I'm saying there is no reason to be scared of this technology because it's not like it's going to run the world, or something.

Yeah we shouldn't be scared now, but for jobs maybe. Yeah yeah they said we shouldn't worry about that at the very end, but with the emergence of all these automated jobs (car plants, self serve) and all that, I'm quite sure when this technology picks up a bit more, a lot of business will want to go the cheaper path. lol

But as Wrex said with the tech, I believe this won't be for years upon years.

[Keiichi-chan]

i don't think it's anywhere near AI yet; it just seemed like a really advanced version of wikipedia with voice recognition capabilities.

did IBM really get to keep the million buck it won for them, though? i thought this was just a promotional thing, or maybe for charity..?

[Rukariou]

It all went to charity. The human conestants donated a portion of their winnings too.

[sentinel28a]

I have three things Watson doesn't.

Opposable thumbs and a hammer.

Ben Da Mad Irishman
"Answer this in the form of a question"

[Smokey]

sentinel28a, on 18 February 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

I have three things Watson doesn't.

Opposable thumbs and a hammer.

LMAO!!!

[Ranko]

We are a long way from making a computer even nearly comparable to the human brain, we simply don't have the processing power to make something like that. While this is impressive, it's just a knowledge bank, essentially wikipedia in a computer, and to be honest, you can program a computer to act as though it has flaws... it's what I would do, speaking as a programmer of course.

[Ashori]

I watched this as well - I loved every moment of it. It was very exciting to watch a smart computer, albeit still with flaws, going up against the two smartest champions of Jeopardy! (my mom was mad that Ken Jennings came in second over Brad Rutter, but meh, she'll get over it), and I'd really like to see a rematch of some sort in the future. It'd be interesting to see how well Watson would do five to ten years or so down the line after some more research and improvements on technology.

[Professor_Hojo @_@]

Open the pod bay doors Watson.

IBM made both HAL and Watson, hmmmm....

[wrexness]

Rukariou, on 18 February 2011 - 08:56 PM, said:

It all went to charity. The human conestants donated a portion of their winnings too.

I believe they each said they'd donate half of their winnings. Just out of curiosity I wonder where each contestant chose to donate their money.

Ranko, on 18 February 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

We are a long way from making a computer even nearly comparable to the human brain, we simply don't have the processing power to make something like that. While this is impressive, it's just a knowledge bank, essentially wikipedia in a computer, and to be honest, you can program a computer to act as though it has flaws... it's what I would do, speaking as a programmer of course.

Well it's not quite that simple either. Just having the knowledge base would only get the correct answer about 20% of the time roughly. You still have to be able to parse the true intent from the question (oh Jeopardy, you and your puns...) and interpret the results based on the findings (hence the "confidence" part of Watson's programming). Though actually it does have the entirety on Wikipedia on its hard drive and then some.

This post has been edited by wrexness: 19 February 2011 - 12:02 PM

[Ranko]

wrexness, on 19 February 2011 - 11:58 AM, said:

I believe they each said they'd donate half of their winnings. Just out of curiosity I wonder where each contestant chose to donate their money.


Well it's not quite that simple either. Just having the knowledge base would only get the correct answer about 20% of the time roughly. You still have to be able to parse the true intent from the question (oh Jeopardy, you and your puns...) and interpret the results based on the findings (hence the "confidence" part of Watson's programming). Though actually it does have the entirety on Wikipedia on its hard drive and then some.

I still think it's a lot easier than they want people to believe...

[The Fujoshi]

Machines are only as good as the people who make them. They can do things that most humans can't do like stand to deal in 1000 degrees or what not but they can't do basic things outside of their programing.

Or Kaito would replace my bf right now.

Those two guys have been on a lot of websites and I personally think they are cooler than many of the contestants of other game shows Most other ones act butt hurt....

[wrexness]

Ranko, on 19 February 2011 - 01:26 PM, said:

I still think it's a lot easier than they want people to believe...

It's not "a lot" easier by any means, but no it's not as huge as people are believing. Unless the person you're talking to has dealt directly in artificial intelligence design and programming you can't really adequately explain what goes into it. Teaching a computer how to deal with the subtleties and innuendo of natural language is very difficult when you're talking about a machine that can't truly "learn" and tends to deal in binary logic and absolutes. It's no big deal at all to be able to build a giant catalog of data (about 4 TB worth in Watson from what I've read). The hard part is being able to accurately determine the intent behind a Jeopardy clue and to be able to find the solution faster than a human can.

For the record, previous to Watson, the US government had conducted its own unofficial Jeopardy competitions, and Watson's predecessors could only answer about 70% of the questions correctly and took on the scale of minutes to find the answer. To go from that stage to being able to compete with a human that can answer almost instantaneously is a significant step forward.

[Ranko]

wrexness, on 19 February 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

It's not "a lot" easier by any means, but no it's not as huge as people are believing. Unless the person you're talking to has dealt directly in artificial intelligence design and programming you can't really adequately explain what goes into it. Teaching a computer how to deal with the subtleties and innuendo of natural language is very difficult when you're talking about a machine that can't truly "learn" and tends to deal in binary logic and absolutes. It's no big deal at all to be able to build a giant catalog of data (about 4 TB worth in Watson from what I've read). The hard part is being able to accurately determine the intent behind a Jeopardy clue and to be able to find the solution faster than a human can.

For the record, previous to Watson, the US government had conducted its own unofficial Jeopardy competitions, and Watson's predecessors could only answer about 70% of the questions correctly and took on the scale of minutes to find the answer. To go from that stage to being able to compete with a human that can answer almost instantaneously is a significant step forward.

I still believe what I said, you aren't going to change my mind lol.

This post has been edited by Ranko: 19 February 2011 - 04:00 PM

[chibiskuld]

Once the 3D printer a.k.a. replicator is refined, well, then there won't be the need for money anymore. Anything we want will just be 'printed'. Though, I can see services still requiring human intervention and money.. damn health care.

Edit:
Damn communism.

This post has been edited by chibiskuld: 19 February 2011 - 05:29 PM

[sentinel28a]

chibiskuld, on 19 February 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

Once the 3D printer a.k.a. replicator is refined, well, then there won't be the need for money anymore. Anything we want will just be 'printed'. Though, I can see services still requiring human intervention and money.. damn health care.

Edit:
Damn communism.

Yeah, but the replicators will be run on Windows Vista. You'll ask for "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" and get a bottle of Jeremiah Weed.

Of course, some people would see that as a feature, not a bug.

Ben Da Mad Irishman
"Like GUTG"

[chibiskuld]

sentinel28a, on 19 February 2011 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yeah, but the replicators will be run on Windows Vista. You'll ask for "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" and get a bottle of Jeremiah Weed.

Of course, some people would see that as a feature, not a bug.

ROFL

And then there'll be the open source version which works, just is years behind.

[wrexness]

Ranko, on 19 February 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

I still believe what I said, you aren't going to change my mind lol.

Well fair enough, but if it were really that easy I doubt it would've taken IBM five years to complete it.

[Millions_Knives]

before thought there is choice
fight or flight
a lower brain function
but it fills stomachs and spawns young

[chibiskuld]

Millions_Knives, on 20 February 2011 - 04:12 PM, said:

before thought there is choice
fight or flight
a lower brain function
but it fills stomachs and spawns young

lol wut?