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The Last Airbender Yay or Nay?

#61 User is offline   Keiichi-chan 

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 02:03 AM

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your apparent belief that anyone who thinks One Piece or Scott Pilgrim is not the finest anime/manga series ever produced is a moron who must be destroyed.

that's you imposing that idea onto me in defense. i never felt that way at all, and i never said it was my belief as far as fandom or whatever.

you're taking it personally to be told, 'i don't really think it's fair for you to make that judgment since you don't really know what you're talking about without seeing a decent amount of the series.'i genuinely couldn't care less who likes what or how much. one piece isn't my favorite mang/anime and scott pilgrim isn't my absolute favorite comic, either, nor did i write either series; i'm not the one shoving my opinion here..

the version of one piece that aired on tv was a HEAVILY ALTERED version of the series, not the original show - it's like mistaking the transformers '80s cartoon to the movie. which is why i'm repeatedly saying, 'you have not seen one piece'. i cannot stress how little i care who likes the series, it's that i am 100%positive you have not actually taken the time to sit down and watch the original version of the series as it wasn't even available legally, unedited, until maybe a year ago? if you keep going 'that show sucks' over and over, i kind of doubt you went to a one piece streaming site or are watching it on one piece youtube channels, which is pretty much the only way to actually watch the animated version in its original form.

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If you don't believe me, check out your Scott Pilgrim thread, where every scrap of new info about this movie is hailed as the Second Coming.

dude..half the time my girlfriend, who regularly checks the author's twitter account, TELLS me to post this or that piece of news in case someone from the forum might not have heard about it. please don't pull a 'you're to fan-y' argument, because if there was an evangelion thread that was frequently commented in, you would be all over it in a considerably worst fashion than i am.

lina, who is my friend irl, dismissed the book in the scott pilgrim: game thread and said the first trailed looked dumb, and yeah, i totally bludgeoned her over the head with that single, teary-faced emoticon, didn't i? i took it sooo personally. no, actually i just acknowledged it and moved on, dude. it's the rhetoric that's frustrating, not preference; saying something is bad when i know that you haven;t even given something a chance. had you ever went, 'i watched the 5th one piece movie. not my cup of tea.' i wouldn't have taken issue. it's repeatedly pre-judging something you are barely even vaguely aware of. it's close-minded. people can do whatever the heck they want, but that doesn't make it any less close-minded or lame to do so. and you were the one who brought it up over and over again, to the point that i really couldn't do anything BUT respond to it.

if i saw an edited commercial for evangelion, with the voice cast of yugi-oh doing cartoony versions of all the characters and pretty much every aspect of the show changed completely to fit into american saturday morning cartoon standards, and mentioned over and over how bad evangelion was based on it...pretty sure you'd react the same way or worst. i've just said repeatedly, over and over: DON'T JUDGE IT UNTIL YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND WATCHED IT.

i don't even want you to/care if you do, i just think it's frustrating to ANYONE when someone dismisses something unfairly, repeatedly. 'dude, you can't say whether it's good or bad, seeing how you never really watched the thing.' was/is my mantra. you can say unfairly pre-judge whatever thing you please, but if i know you're doing it, don't get so upset and call me some rabid fanboy when i point out you don't really know what you're talking about.

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Sure, Naruto and Airbender are the most popular kid's shows out there. But to a Hollywood exec, that's not instant cash.

children are the most lucrative demographic, though, as they tend to purchase the most since they have no sense of responsibility and are spending their parents' money, anyway. if anything affected it not being a multi-movie deal, it was the lukewarm response at every single bit of info released for the film and shyamalan's steadily slumping directing career. that, or shymalan himself just wasn't interested in doing multiple movies. for all we know, the movie had already drawn up the contracts to do a series, but was waiting to see the response from this one. i'm sure if twilight had tanked, there wouldn't have been a trilogy at all.

prince caspian from the narnia trilogy had to be massively downsized due to the poor turnout from the original film, and i think there isn't even going to be a third anymore. i need to double check, but as far as i know, jackson was a brand-new director when he did lotr; that's the biggest reason WHY it was such a risk.

one piece has a bad reputation in america thanks to the, ironically, popularity of anime (people think the art is weird, but that wasn't as much of a problem with dragon ball's equally weird art style, because no knew what an anime looked like then) and the horrible, kid-ified localization done for the anime. i can only imagine a hacked movie version of the already hacked apart american edition of the show. also, yes, haha, but i genuinely do not WANT american movie adaptations of japanese anime and manga in the first place. the cultures are way too different for it to ever feel all that faithful to the source material. ironically, scott pilgrim, a candian-created series, is probably the best adaptation we're going to get of something anime-styled until directors go to japan and work hand-in-hand with the creator of the pertinent product.

closing: daniel craig was awesome in layer cake, too. i was super-excited when he was picked for bond after seeing it. it's sad, because casino royale is definitely my favorite bond flick of the last decade..=\

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 02:21 AM

also, yes, i am geeking out in the scott pilgrim thread - so is everyone there. i am geeking out about something anime-related on an anime forum. your problem with that is..what, exactly?

i'm not being the slightest bit pushy and only even paying attention when people who've just found the series because of the movie (like the majority of people not up-to-date on recent comics) ask questions or are curious about the series. when have i ever, about anything in life, been running around like a rabid fangirl going SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! you have to read this right noaaw! go! go read it! ichigo is SO hawt omigawd!it's the best manga EVER!!!!!!

one of my acen friends actually complained about me not FORCING them to watch one piece, because of how intensely they loved it once they sat down and watched it on their own.

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 07:54 AM

There is a third Narnia movie coming out, Keiichi. It comes out around Christmas time I believe.
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 03:11 PM

Keiichi, when it comes to One Piece--I have seen enough for my belief to be that it stinks. It's like poking yourself in the eyeball with a stick. You don't keeping poking yourself to see if the next few times won't hurt as much. You stop poking yourself.

I don't care if what I saw was the "watered-down" version--maybe it was; I rented it from Hastings--and I don't care if it's the best-selling manga in Japan, which it is. I don't like it! It's not my cup of tea. I don't like the story, I hate the animation, and I find the characterization to be poor.

Naturally, that does not have to be your belief. Why do you care what I believe in when it comes to anime? Why not just say "Sentinel's a rockheaded jerk" and be done with it? I don't expect you to be bonkers over Inu-Yasha like I am (current Inu-Yasha fanfic: 17 pages and counting). I imagine the cookie-cutter characterization of Inu-Yasha is lacking compared to One Piece. But I. DO. NOT. CARE. I like it, I write fanfic about it, I buy gasparon and have a stuffed Kilala on my desk. It's my thing. It doesn't have to be everyone else's.

See, this is why I'm saying that you can be fanatical about this, dude. You just spent two posts and about five paragraphs explaining why I'm such a hypocritical butthole and that I haven't seen the "true" One Piece and therefore I have no "real idea" what One Piece is about.

Keiichi, I have better things to do than parse every single statement you have made over the years we have been on this forum just so I can post "AHA! YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE, SIR!" I should hope that you have better things to do too. Geez, man.

Hell, 75% of that last post of mine was made agreeing with you.

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 04:25 PM

frankly at this point it's unlikely a sequel is going to be made; the current film hasn't even broke even and that's before marketing budget is calculated in. I also find it odd that Viacom let M Night do this project after his string of financial/critical flops that started with The Village and also that his films are NOT very action-heavy.

Oh well, at least there's that rumored sequel series, Legend of Korra. If that turns out to be true maybe that'll get the bad taste out of our mouths.

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 06:27 PM

View PostKeiichi-chan, on 12 July 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

people knowingly supporting crap-movies is why crap-movies like this get made.
i don't care if it's the worst movie in the world, if you like AVATAR you have to see it as a TRUE FAN! avatar isn't someone unknown band that will die out if every fan doesn't support it; it's a MASSIVE franchise that's already ridiculously successful. not supporting it might actual end up with fans getting a decent remake movie.

Oh really? So when is the next Superman movie coming out? oh wait, it isn't cuz nobody saw it in the theaters and the ones that did said it was terrible. Now I don't like Superman in the slightest. But I'm saying that Superman is a huge franchise and they stopped making movies of The man of steel. In fact the only other mention I've heard of Superman is in the JLA movie. But that is probably over 5 years from now.

What we are trying to say is that if something is made into a movie you love you should at least see it. If it does suck you at least have a foot to stand on to complain. Nothing bugs me more then someone who rants about a movie they've never seen. I may hear the last airbender sucks. But I'm not gonna tell someone "oh last air bender is crap." cuz of course they'd ask why, and I'd have to stay, "idk, I've never seen it."
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 11:06 PM

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But I'm saying that Superman is a huge franchise

superman is a huge icon, but the movies themselves haven't been a franchise as far as movies are concerned since the '70s. mickey mouse is a recognizable icon, but will kids go see a mickey mouse movie today? probably not.

even as far as comics, right now batman has definitely become a bigger and more dependable franchise. a popular character alone doesn't make a movie franchise just happen out of thin air.

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But I'm saying that Superman is a huge franchise and they stopped making movies of The man of steel.

last i heard they're doing a superman reboot film. a lot of people don't want to touch the man of steel, because superman just isn't appealing to today's more cynical youth. and he isn't really superman if they dress him all in black, drop the cape, and try and make him 'edgier'.

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What we are trying to say is that if something is made into a movie you love you should at least see it.

the movie and original work are mutually exclusive, though. i like avatar, but the original creators didn't have control of the movie, so it didn't even LOOK like avatar to me. i didn't care. i was never excited for it. a movie is a 'spin-off', not the original product. if you're a SUPER FAN, maybe you HAVE TO give it a try, but even that is debatable. it certainly isn't required you watch the spin-off to be a fan of the actual series.

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I don't care if what I saw was the "watered-down" version--maybe it was; I rented it from Hastings--and I don't care if it's the best-selling manga in Japan, which it is. I don't like it! It's not my cup of tea. I don't like the story, I hate the animation, and I find the characterization to be poor.

version you watched =/= one piece. it isn't even a watered-down version, it's a completely altered show: entire story arcs are cut, everything is edited out, characters' personalities are changed completely, the english voice acting is done HORRIFICALLY, lame jokes added where there was well-written dialogue, etc. you saw the mystery science theater 3000/what's up tigerlily version of the show; you saw the outter-shell with completely different insides.

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I don't expect you to be bonkers over Inu-Yasha like I am (current Inu-Yasha fanfic: 17 pages and counting).

not my point at all. i've actually watched and read inu yasha. i was into the show before it was even licensed. it has nothing to do with whether or not you like it, like i keep saying. it's judging it without actually SEEING the original show. even that only became an issue when you repeatedly mentioned it in this super-condescending way, like every day, all the time, in threads that weren't even about anime. at that point, it was pretty much REQUIRED that i go out of my way to correct you.

it's equally a shame, because, like every single person in japan can attest to, one piece is a damn good series. a definite must-see classic for pretty much anyone. i genuinely have never seen anyone give that series a chance and NOT enjoy it on some level, regardless of taste. forgive me for 'overreacting' but that doesn't make that sort of smug, know-it-all attitude toward something you're totally oblivious to any less inaccurate - or frustrating to people who actually give things a fair shake before complaining about them.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 12:57 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 13 July 2010 - 03:11 PM, said:

Keiichi, I have better things to do than parse every single statement you have made over the years we have been on this forum just so I can post "AHA! YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE, SIR!" I should hope that you have better things to do too. Geez, man.




Don't get so butthurt, he just gets upset when anybody doesn't give anything a fair shot before dismissing it and calling it stupid or saying they dislike it.
It's less about him being fanatical and more about him generally hating anyone who refuses to be open-minded.

He does it with food, too.

"That's gross."
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"No."
"EAT IT D:<"

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 01:07 AM

View Postsentinel28a, on 13 July 2010 - 12:14 AM, said:

I admit you got me on Scott Pilgrim, but I did give One Piece a chance, and I still think it sucks. And I also admit that one of the reasons I argued with you so vehemently, Keiichi, is because of your apparent belief that anyone who thinks One Piece or Scott Pilgrim is not the finest anime/manga series ever produced is a moron who must be destroyed. With you, IMHO, it seems that it's not enough to agree to disagree, but that the other person has brought a personal insult against you if they don't like One Piece or Scott Pilgrim.

You take it personally to the point of near fanaticism. If you don't believe me, check out your Scott Pilgrim thread, where every scrap of new info about this movie is hailed as the Second Coming. Now I admit you were right and Scott Pilgrim does look pretty damn awesome, but don't launch a vendetta against people who, for reasons known only to them, think it sucks. Even if they're wrong. In the scheme of things, it doesn't matter.





Actually, all of that was me. Keiichi actually got on my butt in the videogame thread for telling several people who didn't like the art to gtfo and that they didn't know what they were talking about.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 03:17 AM

I'm not butthurt, Kii. That only happens when my hemmoroids flare up. Isamu can tell you about the problems of age.

I'm sorry I'm not open-minded enough for either one of you. I wasn't aware that the Test of Life required me to be so. I've stated my opinion on Keiichi's favorite anime, but the man simply will not. let. go.

It would make a great episode of Ah My Goddess, actually, with me as Keiichi Morisato and Keiichi as Urd. One Piece is whatever bizarre medicine Urd has invented, and Urd is sitting upon Keiichi trying to force his mouth open screaming "EAT THIS, YOU LITTLE BASTARD! JUST BECAUSE YOU PROJECTILE VOMITED YOUR LOWER INTESTINE ON SKULD THE LAST TIME DOESN'T MEAN IT'LL HAPPEN AGAIN!"

While I understand Keiichi's desire to make me more open-minded, he doesn't look like my mother because he lacks gray hair and bewbs. So I do hope he understands when I say I want him to quit trying to be my mother. If I want to be a closeminded SOB, let me. This is America, Obama is President and the world shall continue on its ellipse around the sun if I take one look at nuclear waste and decide that maybe it's not a good idea to eat it based on its appearance.

And for heaven's sake, don't dare me to eat it. The last time I took anyone up on a dare I ended up in a dress. In public. In front of 16,000 people. Not doing it again, because I care.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 05:05 AM

I'd like to meet a mother who:

a) Looks like Keiichi

b ) Tries to make you watch One Piece and read Scott Pilgrim.

Hottest/Coolest mom ever.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 07:44 AM

I'm thinking of renting a giant bouncy house and putting sock'em boppers on everyone and just let people go at it.

Everyone can agree to disagree but if people keep going, "but you don't understand this so," *shoves down your throat to try and make you understand*, I'm going to have to start babysitting people and quite frankly unless I can raid someone's fridge I won't like it. :(


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Posted 14 July 2010 - 11:57 AM

View PostSongstressLenne, on 14 July 2010 - 07:44 AM, said:

I'm thinking of renting a giant bouncy house and putting sock'em boppers on everyone and just let people go at it.

Everyone can agree to disagree but if people keep going, "but you don't understand this so," *shoves down your throat to try and make you understand*, I'm going to have to start babysitting people and quite frankly unless I can raid someone's fridge I won't like it. :(



This would be more fun to watch actually. I haven't seen Sock'em Boppers since I was a lad and bouncy castles are hella fun.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 02:26 PM

View PostKeiichi-chan, on 13 July 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

superman is a huge icon, but the movies themselves haven't been a franchise as far as movies are concerned since the '70s. mickey mouse is a recognizable icon, but will kids go see a mickey mouse movie today? probably not.

If you go by the sells of micky mouse products we sell at work I'd have to disagree with you on that one. But who knows what Disney will do.

View PostKeiichi-chan, on 13 July 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

even as far as comics, right now batman has definitely become a bigger and more dependable franchise. a popular character alone doesn't make a movie franchise just happen out of thin air.

Unless the next movie goes the way of Batman Forever, who knows. Considering they can't have the same joker. But again who knows about that one.

View PostKeiichi-chan, on 13 July 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

last i heard they're doing a superman reboot film. a lot of people don't want to touch the man of steel, because superman just isn't appealing to today's more cynical youth. and he isn't really superman if they dress him all in black, drop the cape, and try and make him 'edgier'.

The don't necessarily have to go that way. There are a few stories that have been very bleak and unhappy for the man of steel. Namely the one where Superman thinks he can stop world hungry and is proven maybe he's not that perfect.

View PostKeiichi-chan, on 13 July 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

the movie and original work are mutually exclusive, though. i like avatar, but the original creators didn't have control of the movie, so it didn't even LOOK like avatar to me. i didn't care. i was never excited for it. a movie is a 'spin-off', not the original product. if you're a SUPER FAN, maybe you HAVE TO give it a try, but even that is debatable. it certainly isn't required you watch the spin-off to be a fan of the actual series.

The very first X-men movie wasn't very close to the comic, but it was still good. Much better then the 3rd one. Just because it's not the original work doesn't make it bad.
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 07:25 PM

maybe 'not open-minded' is too strong and and judgmental of me to say.
it's definitely personally frustrating for me when people are stubborn and dismissive toward something they might actually enjoy if given a fair shot.

i am overreacting to it a bit, i admit, but that doesn't make it any less..non-cool?
i don't want to beat a dead horse or you to feel like i'm ATTACKING you relentlessly or something, so i'll drop the off-topicness right now. i'm just saying, you can miss out on something that would be your most favorite thing, song, movie, food, book, whatever, if you totally dismiss things based on a cursory first impression: 'i don't like the art style!', 'it looks/sounds dumb!' 'the title is stupid', etc.

refusing to give it a try because of all those reasons is exactly the argument anime/manga-haters use as an excuse to never give it a try. and i think you can agree, that those people are missing out. : )

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 07:35 PM

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The don't necessarily have to go that way. There are a few stories that have been very bleak and unhappy for the man of steel. Namely the one where Superman thinks he can stop world hungry and is proven maybe he's not that perfect.

that doesn't matter at all; as long as he's wearing the goofy blue suit, and the dorky red undies and cape combo..kids will think he's lame and uncool.

i watched a huge 'making of' on the last superman flick where they explained this and showed concept sketches of how they were originally planning to hot topic-ify superman to make him relevant to kids today.

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If you go by the sells of micky mouse products we sell at work I'd have to disagree with you on that one. But who knows what Disney will do.

because if you'd buy a mickey mouse plush doll, you'd obviously pay for and sit through a 2 hour mickey mouse film, right..? how many mega-smash hello kitty movies have come out of hollywood? now, how much hello kitty merchandise have you seen people purchase. pop culture penetration doesn't equate movie sells on its own.

the last superman movie was a massive disappointment sales-wise. it was an ATTEMPT to start a huge movie franchise up, but it failed. no one cared. now, how many people would buy a superman logo t-shirt? pretty much everyone. just because people recognize a character, doesn't mean they care or are interested in seeing a film, dude.

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The very first X-men movie wasn't very close to the comic, but it was still good. Much better then the 3rd one. Just because it's not the original work doesn't make it bad.

definitely. i'm just saying it's less likely to be made contentiously and with love and care unless the creator is involved, or the director is a HUGE fan of the original work.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 12:00 PM

He should not have made that movie, or changed alot of the things he did change.
He should have picked better actors, I'm sorry to say but cosplayers, people I know can do better than the people he chose. D:
and they do it for a living.
I gave the movie a D-.
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Posted 18 July 2010 - 12:23 PM

I haven't seen it yet but the previews look so bad butt. I'll let you no war I think wen I've seen it

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