[opimus.rm]

I'm curious on what the con would if they were told by the Hyatt or the fire marshall they could not have any dances. The fire marshhall may not want the dance do to possibe overcrowding. in the hotel. The hyatt may not want the dance because of the damage done to the hotel by the dance. There would a be riot at the hotel if the fire marshall tried to shut down the dance while it was going on.

[rondo]

opimus.rm, on May 21 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

I'm curious on what the con would if they were told by the Hyatt or the fire marshall they could not have any dances. The fire marshhall may not want the dance do to possibe overcrowding. in the hotel. The hyatt may not want the dance because of the damage done to the hotel by the dance. There would a be riot at the hotel if the fire marshall tried to shut down the dance while it was going on.

Make multiple, smaller dances, and spread them out between other sites to make sure they were in some sort of compliance. Or find a big, open spot in the Donald E. for it.

This post has been edited by rondo: 21 May 2010 - 08:31 AM

[opimus.rm]

rondo, on May 21 2010, 09:30 AM, said:

Make multiple, smaller dances, and spread them out between other sites to make sure they were in some sort of compliance. Or find a big, open spot in the Donald E. for it.

The problem is that the convention center closes up for the night. It would cost ACEN $$$ to keep it open over night.

[Voxx]

The Hyatt would still have the Main Programming areas open so maybe late night events like a larger Lolita Tea Party in one. That would be pretty cool and wouldnt be extremely crowded because it is kind of specific. A lot of people would be really upset without the dances but it wouldnt matter that much to me because I did the dances in my first years of going to acen but not so much anymore. The dances are a tradition for acen now but I'd like to see more variety of the larger main programming.

(Or make an outside parking lot rave like in the Night in the Roxbury) lol

[Seph]

wait.. there is more to acen than the dances? i find that hard to believe....

[Tiamat97]

you guys would find something better to do, as for me im not really a dancer so losing the raves, to me, isnt much

[Scott]

Tiamat97, on May 21 2010, 11:37 AM, said:

as for me im not really a dancer so losing the raves, to me, isnt much

Same here. I went to it for about 20 minutes, but all I did was walk around the parameter for a while to take some photos. It seemed pretty orderly in there I have to say.

[rondo]

opimus.rm, on May 21 2010, 11:11 AM, said:

The problem is that the convention center closes up for the night. It would cost ACEN $$$ to keep it open over night.

This is true. Then you would have to utilize the satellite hotels even more.

[Kasin]

Ska_Toranpetta, on May 21 2010, 11:10 AM, said:

The Hyatt would still have the Main Programming areas open so maybe late night events like a larger Lolita Tea Party in one. That would be pretty cool and wouldnt be extremely crowded because it is kind of specific. A lot of people would be really upset without the dances but it wouldnt matter that much to me because I did the dances in my first years of going to acen but not so much anymore. The dances are a tradition for acen now but I'd like to see more variety of the larger main programming.

(Or make an outside parking lot rave like in the Night in the Roxbury) lol

how did that gothic lolita tea party go???

[wrexness]

Seph, on May 21 2010, 11:34 AM, said:

wait.. there is more to acen than the dances? i find that hard to believe....

I know, right? XD

This post has been edited by wrexness: 21 May 2010 - 01:47 PM

[sere]

That is a difficult question. I have no idea what ACen would do as a convention, but I, as singular person who attends the convention, would rejoice. I don't like the dances and the ridiculous behavior that seems to result afterward.

I could see the latter of the two choices happening first. I really wonder if the Hyatt will get to the point where they are tired of the hotel being destroyed year after year, even if it is getting paid for every time. But that is a point I can only speculate on from the standpoint of fellow congoer.

[Some People]

What would ACen do if there were no more dances? Probably have more morning panels, which is nice for me as a person. (Never attended the dances for the four years I've been to ACen, though most of my friends went this year. I stayed back, tidied the room, watched AMVs, took a shower, and fixed cosplay. Much more productive as far as I'm concerned. XD)

~Gabi

This post has been edited by Some People: 21 May 2010 - 02:26 PM

[The Archfiend]

opimus.rm, on May 21 2010, 01:19 PM, said:

I'm curious on what the con would if they were told by the Hyatt or the fire marshall they could not have any dances. The fire marshhall may not want the dance do to possibe overcrowding. in the hotel. The hyatt may not want the dance because of the damage done to the hotel by the dance. There would a be riot at the hotel if the fire marshall tried to shut down the dance while it was going on.

If a riot were to break out, that'd be the death of Acen. Period.

Rosemont has a typical suburban police force that has nothing but time on their hands when major events aren't in full swing at the Stephens Center or any of the other major event venues. In other words, they'd be inclined to use fairly harsh tactics as a result of (1) being badly outnumbered and (2) being bored suburban cops, period.

That being said...

In the case of a few overenthusiatic attendees going bonkers in the wake of a Fire Marshal shutdown, they'd come down hard on anyone in public view and intimate to the Hyatt that they are never, ever to book Acen there again.

In response, the Hyatt would probably tear up the contract in force through 2012 and sue MAPS for damages.

In other words, anyone b*tching about IRT getting antsy during Soap Bubble does not know what they're talking about given the possible consequences of their not using adequate crowd control when attendees get out of line.

[audaciouska241]

I love the raves and would hate to see them go.

That being said, I hate how people say that "IRT are a bunch of freakin nazis!!! GRRARRRGGGOMGWTF". I have gone to acen for 4 years, and I've never had a problem with them. Maybe they'd be nicer to you if people weren't going around destroying property just because it's "funny". Sometimes I think they need to make ACEN a 21 and up crowd. You never see this kind of stuff happen at a comic convention, and guess what? The majority of the attendees are older and know better.

[Alkaren Hyralt]

The fire marshalls and acen work very well together, so it's not really a possibility. While we try to stress the seriousness of his orders when trying to explain why we comply so easily with him, we have a good relationship with them. And the capacity of the room is closely monitored.

The fire marshall isn't there to shut down the dance, or the con - he's just there to make sure everyone is safe. Please remember this.

And please do not suggest there would be rioting because of us following a lawful order.

[Stkbayfield]

Just be sure to excercize safety in your dance, and that you CAN dance if you want to. You can leave your friends behind, because your friends don't dance and if they don't dance then they're no friends of mine.

[rondo]

Stkbayfield, on May 21 2010, 09:16 PM, said:

Just be sure to excercize safety in your dance, and that you CAN dance if you want to. You can leave your friends behind, because your friends don't dance and if they don't dance then they're no friends of mine.

As soon as I saw "safety", that song instantly popped into my head.

[The Archfiend]

Alkaren Hyralt, on 21 May 2010 - 07:10 PM, said:

The fire marshalls and acen work very well together, so it's not really a possibility. While we try to stress the seriousness of his orders when trying to explain why we comply so easily with him, we have a good relationship with them. And the capacity of the room is closely monitored.

The fire marshall isn't there to shut down the dance, or the con - he's just there to make sure everyone is safe. Please remember this.

And please do not suggest there would be rioting because of us following a lawful order.

*Ahem*

If you're addressing me, I'm suggesting no such thing on the part of Acen staffers. That wasn't my point.

Look, I used to work in IRT and know how worked up some attendees get when things don't go their way. We once came close to having a fight with guys we confiscated a 12-pack from, and although we would've had no trouble restraining them (they actually tried to start a confrontation in our HQ - not the smartest thing to do under the circumstances) even a relatively minor incident like that can flair up into something a lot worse. There are other incidents I could mention, but that's just an illustration of what can happen when somebody goes red-*ss over a minor issue that they were completely at fault on.

Keep in mind that there's tons of people who go to Soap Bubble. Tons. Although the vast majority would start walking when told to walk, there's always the possibility that a minority of idiots might take a fire marshal's order precisely the wrong way. That's what I was talking about, and that's why proper crowd control (for that or any other number of issues that can crop up in SB) is so important.

[Lina]

audaciouska241, on 21 May 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:

I love the raves and would hate to see them go.

That being said, I hate how people say that "IRT are a bunch of freakin nazis!!! GRRARRRGGGOMGWTF". I have gone to acen for 4 years, and I've never had a problem with them. Maybe they'd be nicer to you if people weren't going around destroying property just because it's "funny". Sometimes I think they need to make ACEN a 21 and up crowd. You never see this kind of stuff happen at a comic convention, and guess what? The majority of the attendees are older and know better.

I don't think making ACen 21+ will make a great difference. You'll still get crazy people who will destroy things. Especially drunks. You will get people who are in their 20s who act like they're 12 and some people who are younger than 21 are more mature than those who are 21+.

And most of those older people at comic conventions are probably in their late 20s and older.

[KnitChick]

The Archfiend, on 11 June 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

*Ahem*

If you're addressing me, I'm suggesting no such thing on the part of Acen staffers. That wasn't my point.

No, I think he was making the point to the OP's comment that there would be a riot.

Honestly, I really don't care about the dances. I don't go to them, I don't want to go to them, it's not my interest. But I know a lot of people are interested. We're trying our best to make sure as many people as possible can go to the Soap Bubble, but there are logistical hurdles to overcome. For now what I can say is exercise patience, and PLEASE do not discuss unlawful actions if the fire marshall asks us to do something for YOUR safety.

[GLaDOS]

Personally I dislike the dances... all I ever do is find people with drugs, people on drugs, or people circle-jerking it in the middle of the rave. @_@ (IRT op here)

ACen isn't about the dances, it's about the animu and the video games. If people boohoo about the dances being gone(IF that ever happened, I don't see it ever happening really), and if they only reason they went was for the dances, then that's really not people we want representing the convention, I don't think. \:

But that's just my two cents. :B

This post has been edited by GLaDOS-tan: 24 June 2010 - 02:26 PM

[mmy-sama]

GLaDOS-tan, on 24 June 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

Personally I dislike the dances... all I ever do is find people with drugs

Really now? What kind of drugs?

I've never really been to the dances much in the past but I would certainly like to check them out sometime.

If they where shut down for reasons of overcrowding then people would all pile into the hall. There'll be a lot of confusion, people won't know if it's done for good or if it'll open later in the evening, so there'll be a lot of people packed into the hall, really tightly, it'll be difficult for people to get in and out. People will be looking for exits, but the only exits there are those screwed up fire exits that don't have any indication of being fire exits (honestly, if the fire Marshall is the kind of guy who lets a venue get away with having unmarked fire exits that look like regular exits, then why should I respect anything he says? It sounds like he sucks at his job. he'd better make the Hyatt put up signs saying "emergency exit only" on those doors before he starts breaking up dances). Anyway, it'll get dangerously crowded, then something will catch on fire and everyone dies.

[CurseOfTheLeek]

I don't go to the dances, but I know people really like them; they're like the main event.
So I'd be pretty sad if they were gone. One of my favorite things at the con is seeing all the people having a good time.
Even the people waiting in line for the dance seem to enjoy themselves

[Cherry_Wolf]

I've never been to the dances, I've wanted to but every time I went there is a big line and I find it pointless then

Either way, I wouldn't miss it if it were gone. I'm on the same line as GLaDOS. Anime conventions are there mainly for anime. While I like the concept of the dance and am glad a lot of people who like anime, but are more casual fans rather than hardcore, have a dance to go to and enjoy. If the dance(namely soap bubble...) were to cease, I think ACen would lose a lot of attendees, but that's just my opinion, of course.

[Neko_master_Luna]

opimus.rm, on 21 May 2010 - 09:11 AM, said:

The problem is that the convention center closes up for the night. It would cost ACEN $$$ to keep it open over night.

Wait, don't they have Proms in there. I remember my prom ending 1am before post prom, but still?

[Saturn's Pheonix]

looking from the standpoint of an ACEN Veteran who has been there for years and never once set foot in the dance, simply they can emphasize anything else there because I never found a need to be at the dance I just found a need to go to panels and main programming.

[Ashori]

From my personal view, I don't care if the dances stay or go - I don't participate in them and really don't plan on doing so in the future. I find other things to do around the con to participate in. My friend, however, wouldn't be too happy - he loves to go to raves and dances and such, and considering he missed out on last years, it's his goal to go to next year's and any other year's dances he can. XD

[Voxx]

I find it really interesting that the majority of the people on the forums don't go to the dances. I don't because they are similar to other dances I've been to and I'd rather experience something different instead of waiting in line for hours. I think we really should consider doing something different but keep one of the dances.

[Valkyrie]

Well, what you also have to take into account is that the population on the forums is merely a fraction of the overall con population :3 (And I certainly wouldn't call nine posts a "majority.") Judging by how many people go to the dances each year, I'd say there'd still be plenty of congoers who would object to losing a dance or three. Especially those who come to ACen specifically for the Soap Bubble.

[Voxx]

Valkyrie, on 05 September 2010 - 04:56 PM, said:

Well, what you also have to take into account is that the population on the forums is merely a fraction of the overall con population :3 (And I certainly wouldn't call nine posts a "majority.") Judging by how many people go to the dances each year, I'd say there'd still be plenty of congoers who would object to losing a dance or three. Especially those who come to ACen specifically for the Soap Bubble.

This is true (the servers wouldn't keep up if we had 20k people online lol) and I'm sure a lot of people would be upset if there wasn't a rave or dance but, I don't know. To me it seems pointless to have more than one dance at an anime con as a main event. After so many years of the same rave I'd just like to see something else. There's a lot of newcomers every year so it is new to them, but then theres the Acen vets that are getting old of it