Takuya_Neko, on May 20 2010, 07:32 PM, said:
What if there was a ninja staff group so to say that could keep an eye out for trouble makers. That way if the stupid people only think no one is around, they would be unpleasantly surprised. Because if someone is gonna be stupid they will do so if they don't think they will get caught.
I'm actually a fan of this idea, though obviously more staff would need to sign up since there's not enough to cover this and everything else (or, really, just everything else) at the moment. However, if it was put out during sign up as something that's not necessarily "hard core" (the adjective I want to use is evading me at the moment), but more like "well, you get a badge that's marked somehow, and you patrol around in normal clothes in hopes of finding troublemakers" perhaps people would go for it. (If I was old enough I certainly would.) I know a lot of people won't make trouble when staff if obviously around, but if they don't notice staff is around because they're "undercover" it would probably be easier to catch people.
Suigetsu, on May 20 2010, 07:46 PM, said:
Actually, I think you should raise the ticket price by $5 across the board. That would help to cover the cost, but advertise why the price increase exists. Then, if this year the con isn't damaging, go back to the normal price. This will also cause people to peer pressure those who they see doing bad things not to. I think the only way to get to such an immature group is through fear and turning the entire world against them.
Though I would hate to see the badge prices rise, I'm in agreement with this for the simple fact that a lot of vandalism/etc. does come from the younger crowds of ACen, meaning those who are also not as financially fit. As a teen who brings other teens to cons the badge fee is already a bit much for them, and while I would hate for them to not be able to come a higher badge price could possibly deter some trouble makers who simply come to party. (We actually had a group of friends who commuted, since we all live ~45 minutes away, and one of the girls only came to ACen with them for the raves. Not saying that's a bad thing, because as far as I know they were in control, but it's something to keep in mind.)
Of course, this does have the flip effect of harming people who love the con and can barely go as is, but it's still something to think about.
JediNight, on May 20 2010, 08:56 PM, said:
The intentional -- What bathrooms was this vandalism happening in? I would assume the ones in the Hyatt near Main? I would think with Panel Ops right next to the other bathrooms on the Entry level, that nobody would try messing with them. Only suggestion is to post an IRT at those bathrooms for at least like 9pm-6am (or whenever the dance lets out). Kids are much less likely to try breaking stuff if they know an IRT is standing outside 6ft away. I think the cost savings would be well worth having a few IRT full-time on bathroom duty, as stuff like urinals, mirror and wall damage runs into the thousands of dollars I bet...
General common sense opinion -- Holding an underage Rave/Dance is going to exponentially multiply the likelihood of vandalism like this happening. Yeah yeah, give me my cane and get off my lawn, etc. but honestly ... kids are away from home, usually not with supervision, it's probably the only rave/dance party they go to all year or very infrequently, it's dark etc. So they do stupid crap because "it's not my house" etc. and they think it's funny. People would break stuff at my HS all the time for no reason. Cons always have some vandalism occur, but a rave/dance is going to amplify that a lot.
People have said they don't want someone supervising bathrooms, though I still can't help but feel that someone outside would at least be a good idea. (I do understand there's probably much more awkwardness with a bathroom attendant in the men's room than in the women's, but still...) I know that, at least in one of the women's bathrooms in the DESCC, there was a bathroom attendant (or, at least, she was sitting there and looking official-y both times I went in) and while I don't believe she was actual ACen staff as much as maybe staff of the con center itself it still seemed like a pretty good idea.
Also agreeing with the underage rave/dance thing. Though I've never been, pretty much all of the girls I took with me this year went and none of them were older than sixteen, with a commuting group of no older than seventeen, and while I don't believe they caused any damage (they know full well I would have probably called their parents and made them leave) I can only imagine a similar group easily could and would. Part of the reason I stayed back (the rest being I was just tired and don't find raves/dances fun/interesting) was to clean the hotel room (both Friday and Saturday night) that they had all trashed. All though the vandalism doesn't always come from the teenagers, a lot of them, as JediNight pointed out, are not used to being unsupervised, nor are they used to raves/dances/etc. They don't know how to react or what's appropriate all of the time, which results in more damage much of the time. (Plus, I'm the "spoilsport" who just thinks the environment of a rave/dance, at a con or anywhere else, just isn't advisable for people underage. *brick'd*)
ALSO: I don't have that post quoted in this one, but whoever suggested more obvious announcements about the IRT Hotline... please, yes. I didn't even know that existed until after ACen this year, and while I didn't necessarily have a need for it, it would have been nice to know, just in case.