[Scott]

My suggestion like putting ACEN logos on the covers is, I think, a good way to work with a problem, yet make it a positive beneficial thing. Heck, the covers could even have convention maps silkscreened on them (Include a label for the East Indoor Wall area please...).

Now if there was something like a new staff called B.C.T. (Bathroom Chaperone Team) or "gun-shot" cameras in the bathrooms that take photos when something loud happens, yeah that would be extreme... haha.

Dave, on May 20 2010, 05:26 PM, said:

I like this idea. Pictures of the worst damages with the caption "Your badge would have cost you $X less if we didn't have to pay for damages. I'ts your convention too, help keep costs down by reporting vandalism as it happens." It wouldn't have to be in so many words, just get the message across that damages are paid for with badge revenue.

Yeah, that would work too. Big bold lettering is best. The larger the sign, the better. I don't even know what the public bathrooms look like in the Hyatt, but I assume there are some blank wall available.

Takuya_Neko, on May 20 2010, 07:32 PM, said:

What if there was a ninja staff group so to say that could keep an eye out for trouble makers.

I would sign up for this if we could wear ninja suits with awesome headbands.

Suigetsu, on May 20 2010, 07:46 PM, said:

Actually, I think you should raise the ticket price by $5 across the board. That would help to cover the cost, but advertise why the price increase exists. Then, if this year the con isn't damaging, go back to the normal price. This will also cause people to peer pressure those who they see doing bad things not to. I think the only way to get to such an immature group is through fear and turning the entire world against them.
My take is that signs are not going to work. I think that it'll make more people want to do damage. It'll be a game to see who can get away with the most destruction.

Signs won't work, but raising the price $5 will? I think raising the price would only hurt the good con-goers and make a lot of people feel negative about the convention as a whole (think about how the music industry has alienated their good customers). I wouldn't be surprised if the ones causing serious damage are ones who forge badges or really wouldn't care much about the $5 difference to not trash the place next year. Assuming the reason would be in the program book, would these people even bother to read it? A very visible sign on location saying they could he arrested on the other hand... (stating whatever the legal consequences of vandalism in Illinois is)...

[kenkendazo]

Scott, on May 20 2010, 09:13 PM, said:

My suggestion like putting ACEN logos on the covers is, I think, a good way to work with a problem, yet make it a positive beneficial thing. Heck, the covers could even have convention maps silkscreened on them (Include a label for the East Indoor Wall area please...).

Now if there was something like a new staff called B.C.T. (Bathroom Chaperone Team) or "gun-shot" cameras in the bathrooms that take photos when something loud happens, yeah that would be extreme... haha.




Yeah, that would work too. Big bold lettering is best. The larger the sign, the better. I don't even know what the public bathrooms look like in the Hyatt, but I assume there are some blank wall available.




I would sign up for this if we could wear ninja suits with awesome headbands.





Signs won't work, but raising the price $5 will? I think raising the price would only hurt the good con-goers and make a lot of people feel negative about the convention as a whole (think about how the music industry has alienated their good customers). I wouldn't be surprised if the ones causing serious damage are ones who forge badges or really wouldn't care much about the $5 difference to not trash the place next year. Assuming the reason would be in the program book, would these people even bother to read it? A very visible sign on location saying they could he arrested on the other hand... (stating whatever the legal consequences of vandalism in Illinois is)...

The price up isn't to punish those who do the damage, it's an incentive to keep the con-goers vigilant. And they clearly know that what they are doing will lead to an arrest so there's no sense in restating it.

[KnitChick]

Why not put something in the letter mailed with the badges saying something like, "Acen has $x less to spend on guests because of vandalism in 2010. Please help us keep costs down by reporting vandalism" so that everyone sees it. Put the same info at each reg station so that the people who don't get their badge mailed also see it.

I'll definitely be heading to the bathroom more often next Acen and I think we should definitely have IRT and other staff make frequent potty checks. Maybe if staff badges are seen in the bathrooms more frequently, people will think twice about trashing. I'd even say, have a few more Rosemont PD hanging around. If more PD uniforms are seen wandering around that might help deter as well.

[manga1]

Covers for the seats would be good, but jacking the price up will make everyone jaded, putting a signs up at various spots where they are likely to be seen showing how much it cost the con last year might make people think twice about doing the little acts of "fun"

how do you steal a urinal? those are big. What are you going to do limit the amount of weight stuff can weight so it dont bust stuff up?

also posting the irt number so that its well known might help people be able to report it quicker if they see something that is not right.

signed Jeremy manga1

[daegan]

The issue with writing anything out, sending it in the letter, putting it in the program book, etc...

You're assuming that the people this message needs to reach would be willing to read this message. This is a very brave assumption. The people that engage in willful vandalism are not people who are going to take that message to heart; and honestly I bet that some of them don't even buy badges.

[Millions_Knives]

~reads~
so im to understand acen DOSE NOT get business and/or event insurance
???
and why doesn't the convention center/Hyatt have any
that just plan makes no sense (unless they are making acen pay the detectable)
and why are they charging acen if they do have it

that may be something to look into

accidental stuff may be avoided
but intentional stuff
good luck ~sigh~
some plp just like to do stuff like that


good times to all

[sentinel28a]

daegan, on May 21 2010, 05:24 AM, said:

The issue with writing anything out, sending it in the letter, putting it in the program book, etc...

You're assuming that the people this message needs to reach would be willing to read this message. This is a very brave assumption. The people that engage in willful vandalism are not people who are going to take that message to heart; and honestly I bet that some of them don't even buy badges.

It's better than nothing. At least the idiots' friends might step in and say, "Hey, jerkoff. I don't want my badge going up next year because you feel the need to compensate for something. Stop it!"

Another is to punish the perpetrators as harshly as possible--albeit within reason. You get yelled at by IRT because you think screaming at random passerby at 3 AM is a good idea--confiscation of badge, but that's as far as it goes. You get caught busting out windows--lifetime ban from ACen, plus prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

Deterrence only works when the consequences are terrible.

Ben Da Mad Irishman
"I'm onboard with public executions"

[sere]

I think that a ConWatch is an awesome idea. Swag rewards for the capture of any culprits would help to make it worth their while, and would be a much more cost effective solution if it does result in fewer incidences.

I hate to say it, but I too feel that there is a strong correlation between irresponsibility, vandalism, the destruction of property, public intoxication and the raves. I don't know if it is all the pent up energy from bumping and grinding for hours, not being able to get in for the bumping and grinding, or what, but it seems that the times of increased problems in the hotel is during/after the dances. (This is, of course, my personal opinion.)

A bathroom watch would suck, but hey, if it has to be done, right?

Also, I'm all for harsh punishments. Just getting warned by IRT isn't enough for some people. The banhammer needs to come down hard if people are getting caught destroying hotel property. (Again, just my opinion.)

[PixieSkull]

Bathroom checks seem to be the best deterrent in convenience stores, restaurants, etc.

Cosplayers with body paint should be warned they can be either charged for the repair or have their badge taken away if they destroy things. You should know that if you're in body paint that you should be more careful about what you lean against or sit on. Opening ceremonies should have the disclaimers, so should the booklet(s), the website, and the forum in the applicable locations. Accidents do happen, and the badges on the congoers are the contract that if they mess stuff up, they are responsible to clean it themselves or forfeit the right to wear one.

IRT on the elevators late at night, checking the bathrooms, and walking the hotel lobby are essential at this point. Could we also discourage people from sitting in the hotel lobby right by the front desk anyways? Encourage meeting elsewhere?

[Valkyrie]

On Accidental Stuff:

While a rule on body paint and "sitting areas" would make sense, a logical Socratic question would be: "how do we get that word out to everyone?" I know the forum population (and that's the bit that visits regularly) consists of just a minute fraction of the overall convention populace. On top of that, you may have slightly more than that amount who check the website by itself, and read the rules. And those are the ones who look into this information before setting their hearts on a particular cosplay...and care about what their cosplay might do to the surrounding environment. I think, for right now anyway, coordinating something with the hotel might work out better - I'm pretty sure they could get a hold of seat covers for the chairs and couches, and be able to change/launder them as needed.

On Intentional Stuff:

A ConWatch would be awesome, if we can pull it off. I don't know a lot of people who can easily pull off Night Shift (to that end I have a lot of respect for those on IRT's night shift), and this is when you get a lot of the more interesting folks.

Which brings me to beg the question: how did no one, not even RPS, hear what was going on in the bathroom(s) where the vandalism took place? (Even if this was in a secluded area, if it was late at night, sound can carry pretty far when there's no other noise to block it.) Thinking about it, it would cause quite a bit of racket simply to smash the counters and the mirror...but taking out a urinal? Those things aren't just big and heavy, but typically, they are bolted in. Either someone went psychonauts on the bathroom, or a group of drunks decided to make it their object of destruction...or both.

Moreover, manpower is a huge factor in patrols. We were what, 160 strong this year on IRT? Give or take? But divide that number by the different groups (Ops, Special Events, Dispatch, Guest Escorts), then into the different shifts (Days, Midshift, Nights), then divide THOSE between the con center and the hotel. There isn't a whole lot remaining to each little pack after that. And as much as we wish we could all be Schroedinger's cats, we can't be everywhere and nowhere at once. (Although some of us do come close sometimes.) Having IRT guarding bathrooms at night sounds like a good option, but considering how many bathrooms there are in the hotel, we'd have to really jump in staff numbers to pull that off...

But, if there was a way to set up a sort of reliable ConWatch, whether it be with more RPS or hotel staff (or banking on more folks taking IRT Nights), especially during raves and other big events, this would certainly help.

[obakasan]

My life experience says that when you have alcohol and people you get damage. I recall we had one incident in my college that resulted in extensive washroom damage by ONE drunk individual (ripped all the doors off the stalls for one thing). I also recall seeing at least one Hyatt soap dispenser that was broken (darn thing was PLASTIC. Come on...). Sadly I think cracking down on those under the influence is going to have to happen *Strongly.* With CERTAINTY of punishment.

Signs are going to have to be difficult to near impossible to remove. Or checked regularly and replaced.

ConWatch should also be stressed to ALL staff members. Those of us who were able to attend the pre-con meetings pretty much got some of the messages. Those who can't (from out of town) don't always get the messages. I would make ConWatch part of staff duties 24/7, granting every staff member "official" authority to intervene with at least cautionary words (may need some guidelines from IRT etc here - to remind that there needs to be a "hand's off" policy for example) and make sure each department head (DH, Section Chief, whomever) provides EVERY member of their staff an overview of the rules first thing when that staff arrives. Ask every staff member to (try) to have a cell phone on them at all times (if they aren't radio equipped) with either the IRT Hotline number or another number that can be called to report problems.

Public announcements will probably be a necessity as well. Yes the perps probably won't pay any attention, BUT peer pressure works wonders (both ways - I suspect some damage is done on dares). If word gets out that late night activities may have to be curtailed, the rave/dances cut even shorter it will have an impact. Yes you will get a whole lotta complaints, but hey... you make your bed, you sleep in it. Consequences. Although in actuality having all-night late-night dances and events that are *supervised* may work best to contain those who would otherwise go out and destroy elsewhere. Easier to keep an eye on them. A fair number of stores go to 24 hour operation to discourage break-ins as store personel and security are always on hand, as well as other customers who won't stand for irresponsible shenanigans.

I was overjoyed this year to see the Hyatt Dome doors survived intact.


Just some too-early-in-the-morning-for-me thoughts.

[kahad]

Sadly, I doubt that it is possible to totally get rid of the damage.

When you get 19,000+ people together in one place, stupidity will happen.

Especially when the majority of that 19,000+ crowd is college students or younger.

[rondo]

obakasan, on May 22 2010, 09:07 AM, said:

My life experience says that when you have alcohol and people you get damage. I recall we had one incident in my college that resulted in extensive washroom damage by ONE drunk individual (ripped all the doors off the stalls for one thing). I also recall seeing at least one Hyatt soap dispenser that was broken (darn thing was PLASTIC. Come on...). Sadly I think cracking down on those under the influence is going to have to happen *Strongly.* With CERTAINTY of punishment.

One thing we should make sure of is that we do not simply place the blame for damage all on drunk individuals. It is easy to assume so but on the other hand, I can say I've seen drunk individuals break things just like teenagers screwing around doing the same, sober.

Also, although much more unlikely due to the sheer numbers, I wouldn't be shocked if something like the damage in the bathroom might have been done by someone not even attending the con. For example, while at the Red Bar on Saturday, there was a small group of people complaining about all the stupid kids around the hotel, a bunch of weirdos who like dress-up. These folks were easily 20-30 and some of them were already tanked before they sat down at the bar. The way they were acting, they could have just as easily did damage to someplace in the hotel just as easily. Luckily, when one of them tried to skip out on their bar tab, they got caught and wound up paying and eventually left.

This post has been edited by rondo: 22 May 2010 - 08:15 AM

[obakasan]

^True. Not everyone at/in the hotel were ACen related. We did have other shows (like the gem show) going on, and I think some proms etc were or have been scheduled at the Hyatt or surrounding hotels during the sme time as Acen. It may be more a case that as ACen had the largest precence, ACen was a convenient target to lay blame. (Plus it was of course full of "irresponsible" teenagers - even those of us with AARP cards in our pockets...)

I am a bit more awake now than dring my earlier post. So I do want to give High Kudos to whomever came up with the idea (and name) of ConWatch. I think it is a darned good idea. One that should be "formalized." Maybe some buttons or stickers or ??? at least staff members could wear would help promote it, and of course it should be extended to all attendees to join in. The one catch, in re what I just mentioned about non-ACen guests, is we would have little authority over "outsiders" other than to report them to the hotel or Convention Center staff.

[Some People]

Takuya_Neko, on May 20 2010, 07:32 PM, said:

What if there was a ninja staff group so to say that could keep an eye out for trouble makers. That way if the stupid people only think no one is around, they would be unpleasantly surprised. Because if someone is gonna be stupid they will do so if they don't think they will get caught.

I'm actually a fan of this idea, though obviously more staff would need to sign up since there's not enough to cover this and everything else (or, really, just everything else) at the moment. However, if it was put out during sign up as something that's not necessarily "hard core" (the adjective I want to use is evading me at the moment), but more like "well, you get a badge that's marked somehow, and you patrol around in normal clothes in hopes of finding troublemakers" perhaps people would go for it. (If I was old enough I certainly would.) I know a lot of people won't make trouble when staff if obviously around, but if they don't notice staff is around because they're "undercover" it would probably be easier to catch people.

Suigetsu, on May 20 2010, 07:46 PM, said:

Actually, I think you should raise the ticket price by $5 across the board. That would help to cover the cost, but advertise why the price increase exists. Then, if this year the con isn't damaging, go back to the normal price. This will also cause people to peer pressure those who they see doing bad things not to. I think the only way to get to such an immature group is through fear and turning the entire world against them.

Though I would hate to see the badge prices rise, I'm in agreement with this for the simple fact that a lot of vandalism/etc. does come from the younger crowds of ACen, meaning those who are also not as financially fit. As a teen who brings other teens to cons the badge fee is already a bit much for them, and while I would hate for them to not be able to come a higher badge price could possibly deter some trouble makers who simply come to party. (We actually had a group of friends who commuted, since we all live ~45 minutes away, and one of the girls only came to ACen with them for the raves. Not saying that's a bad thing, because as far as I know they were in control, but it's something to keep in mind.)

Of course, this does have the flip effect of harming people who love the con and can barely go as is, but it's still something to think about.

JediNight, on May 20 2010, 08:56 PM, said:

The intentional -- What bathrooms was this vandalism happening in? I would assume the ones in the Hyatt near Main? I would think with Panel Ops right next to the other bathrooms on the Entry level, that nobody would try messing with them. Only suggestion is to post an IRT at those bathrooms for at least like 9pm-6am (or whenever the dance lets out). Kids are much less likely to try breaking stuff if they know an IRT is standing outside 6ft away. I think the cost savings would be well worth having a few IRT full-time on bathroom duty, as stuff like urinals, mirror and wall damage runs into the thousands of dollars I bet...

General common sense opinion -- Holding an underage Rave/Dance is going to exponentially multiply the likelihood of vandalism like this happening. Yeah yeah, give me my cane and get off my lawn, etc. but honestly ... kids are away from home, usually not with supervision, it's probably the only rave/dance party they go to all year or very infrequently, it's dark etc. So they do stupid crap because "it's not my house" etc. and they think it's funny. People would break stuff at my HS all the time for no reason. Cons always have some vandalism occur, but a rave/dance is going to amplify that a lot.

People have said they don't want someone supervising bathrooms, though I still can't help but feel that someone outside would at least be a good idea. (I do understand there's probably much more awkwardness with a bathroom attendant in the men's room than in the women's, but still...) I know that, at least in one of the women's bathrooms in the DESCC, there was a bathroom attendant (or, at least, she was sitting there and looking official-y both times I went in) and while I don't believe she was actual ACen staff as much as maybe staff of the con center itself it still seemed like a pretty good idea.

Also agreeing with the underage rave/dance thing. Though I've never been, pretty much all of the girls I took with me this year went and none of them were older than sixteen, with a commuting group of no older than seventeen, and while I don't believe they caused any damage (they know full well I would have probably called their parents and made them leave) I can only imagine a similar group easily could and would. Part of the reason I stayed back (the rest being I was just tired and don't find raves/dances fun/interesting) was to clean the hotel room (both Friday and Saturday night) that they had all trashed. All though the vandalism doesn't always come from the teenagers, a lot of them, as JediNight pointed out, are not used to being unsupervised, nor are they used to raves/dances/etc. They don't know how to react or what's appropriate all of the time, which results in more damage much of the time. (Plus, I'm the "spoilsport" who just thinks the environment of a rave/dance, at a con or anywhere else, just isn't advisable for people underage. *brick'd*)


ALSO: I don't have that post quoted in this one, but whoever suggested more obvious announcements about the IRT Hotline... please, yes. I didn't even know that existed until after ACen this year, and while I didn't necessarily have a need for it, it would have been nice to know, just in case.

~Gabi

[Rini]

I dunno...

I really like the sign idea with the pictures of the vandalism. I don't understand how people can intentionally destroy things like that. And they do it at EVERY con, not just ours. It's like there is a special breed of attendee who feel the need to masquerade as the hulk and demolish con bathrooms for no apparent reason.

:[

[Voxx]

We could also advertise the need for more IRT members and explain the different sections within because the main thought of them is that they are all just people with vests walking around keeping things in order. Giving the public more information(not any spoilers of course...just basics) about what you guys do might help and with the school/library presentations we can also push the need for more staffers so we can actually try for more security in some areas. I think that would be beneficial. Maybe each dept that will need more staff next year can make a pamphlet or something with info and who to contact to put in a request to be on staff that we could hand out at the presentations.

[yuesokka]

i know to alot of poeple $5 increase doesn't seem like much. but that would put acen's 3 day badge on the same price level as otakons, which is 3 times the sizes and just 2 months after. and realitively speaking that could drop the attendance by quiet a bit. and not just the trouble makers.

[Roark]

We really shouldn't another group that assumes authority over attendees. Do we really want a secondary IRT?

Staff visibility is probably the bigger issue. You walk into a store, and you can pretty easily identify staff by how they're dressed. You walk into ACen, and it's hard to ID staff that aren't IRT. Heck, my crew gets mistaken for hotel staff rather than ACen staff.

We probably need to move to standardization on appearance. We should be identifiable at a glance on the floor. Maybe not all staffers; I'm not giving up GR's suit and tie ethos. But, all customer-facing staffers should be recognizable.

Just increasing presence on the floor does wonders, especially with a see something/say something attitude. It doesn't take an IRT staffer to ask someone in body paint to be careful where they lean. It doesn't take IRT to make sure people aren't destroying doors. It just takes a visible, polite presence.

The bathroom situation is a bit easier: just have attendant. Yeah, it's a crummy job, but it works. Most larger venues have someone in the restroom to pass out towels, have mints/gum/cologne available, and just generally keep an eye on things like cleanliness and supply. I'm not sure if we'd need to get hotel to do this or if our staff would handle it. But, there's a reason bathroom attendants exist.

Visibility is key. A ninja squad to hunt trouble makers is a bad idea. A ConWatch secret police is a bad idea. You solve problems through effective customer service. This is retail 101.

[Voxx]

Roark, on May 22 2010, 11:24 AM, said:

Visibility is key. A ninja squad to hunt trouble makers is a bad idea. A ConWatch secret police is a bad idea. You solve problems through effective customer service. This is retail 101.

When I read "ConWatch" I think of the neighborhood watch system. Instead of a secret police dealy, why not make it more like a neighborhood watch? I think that would be much more effective.

Oh and to make it more fun for people on bathroom watch could we possibly give out mini bars of soap or something like that? Like have Dove or a brand of soap sponsor us in being clean?

[KnitChick]

Ska_Toranpetta, on May 22 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

Oh and to make it more fun for people on bathroom watch could we possibly give out mini bars of soap or something like that? Like have Dove or a brand of soap sponsor us in being clean?

I like that idea! I mean, we do have the "Got soap?" theme, why not see if we can expand that!!! Especially if they'd be able to put something Acen on the soaps.

[Voxx]

KnitChick, on May 22 2010, 11:48 AM, said:

I like that idea! I mean, we do have the "Got soap?" theme, why not see if we can expand that!!! Especially if they'd be able to put something Acen on the soaps.

D'aww cute little acen soaps. And with that I'm sure it would be a hit and that would put more attention on the bathrooms so people would *hopefully* be less likely to be reckless and damage property.

[obakasan]

To me "ConWatch" is just looking out for each other and general health and safety. Picking up trash etc. Not some "death from above" ninja squad... Right on par with New York's "See it, say it" program. Although for different reasons...

[CrimsonAnime]

Firstly - WOW! I'm shocked at how much stuff happens...

Secondly - the accidental stuff
- I agree with the idea of "See something say something" but I think that there should be acen volunteers (like a branch of IRT or something) that is in charge of cleaning the messes ASAP so that the Hotel doesn't have to divert busy housekeeping to do the job. (I know that they are busy so they might get to it later than our own people). I also think that having this team would allow for more people that want to be on staff but apply late to get a space in staff (maybe like a discounted badge or room if not full staff discounts). Anyway - I got off track.

- In terms of the body paint i second the idea of seat covers. they can come cheap and i'm sure the hyatt would prefer that over high cleaning costs. And they can be replaced like every night during those few down hours so they don't slip or something.

Thirdly - the intentional stuff
- i think alot of it might just be people fooling around too much. Stealing is seriously intentional but I picture people hyped up from the con and jumping around and breaking urinals off the walls, or play fighting (maybe even really fighting) and punching the wall too hard. This is the harder thing to control because we do want people to have fun but not go wild. You can either limit the bathrooms that are open OR create a bathroom line (like have an IRT person monitor who goes in and out to make sure that it doesn't get to crowded and therefore not too rowdy). People might think that it's too much security but that will cut down on BR damage.


Hope these ideas help!

[JediNight]

About the staff visibility thing -- you bring up something I wanted to mention and forgot. This is a big issue I think that would be nice to handle.

I've only worked for one other con besides Acen (Tekkoshocon, attendance of ~3k) and Staff shirts were included for all staffers, and only one color of ink.

Acen Staff shirts are full color, so they cost a lot more, and are optional -- so what it leads to is most staffers not actually buying the current shirt, and once staffers have one... just wearing that one for multiple years. This makes it so you can't really know if they are a current staffer, or just wearing the shirt (unless you can see their badge). And the words Staff are only written in small letters on the front, so a lot of attendees at a distance won't even know that it is a staff shirt, especially from behind.

I think it would be better to work into the budget to provide staff shirts for all departments. If that means cutting it down to 1 color to save on costs, so be it. Or at the very least have the DH for each department have a box of them on Thurs night so they can get their staffers shirts before the con starts. I know I generally don't get around to even buying shirts until Fri night or Sat afternoon, for example.

[rondo]

More visible? How about moving away from the black vests? Use a bright color so IRT easily stands out and just doesn't blend in with the masses. This would be especially true at night in the dark. Would be nice to have something like large velcro'd call signs on the back of the vest.

The conwatch is pretty interesting, sorta like a community block watch for the con.

This post has been edited by rondo: 22 May 2010 - 08:58 PM

[Scott]

rondo, on May 22 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

More visible? How about moving away from the black vests? Use a bright color so IRT easily stands out and just doesn't blend in with the masses. This would be especially true at night in the dark. Would be nice to have something like large velcro'd call signs on the back of the vest.
The conwatch is pretty interesting, sorta like a community block watch for the con.

I chuckled to myself when I saw some that were seemingly decked out in full tactical gear. In a way it made them stand out... I still think something mandatory and brightly colored would help. Even IRT wrist-bands or that have glow in the dark/reflective properties (a hat would be more visible though).

[Scott]

CrimsonAnime, on May 22 2010, 05:45 PM, said:

Thirdly - the intentional stuff
or play fighting (maybe even really fighting) and punching the wall too hard.

That reminds me. I remember seeing one quick fight near the elevators as I was walking up the stairs. It died down fast, which meant IRT did their job well.

[Ranko]

Reading this.. I can only think to myself.. how do you rip a urinal off of the wall?

As for the ideas, I really like the visibility topic being thrown around. IRT should definitely be visible to anyone, and Scott's idea of a hat or wrist band that has a glow to it is something I could see as being effective.

[obakasan]

Ranko, on May 23 2010, 01:10 AM, said:

Reading this.. I can only think to myself.. how do you rip a urinal off of the wall?

As for the ideas, I really like the visibility topic being thrown around. IRT should definitely be visible to anyone, and Scott's idea of a hat or wrist band that has a glow to it is something I could see as being effective.

Radioactive propeller beanies? Illuminated Moogle pom poms?