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Posted 11 September 2008 - 06:16 PM

so im planing on doing full armour set for alphone, now my question is, what do you guys think is the best for this? wonderflex? styrene? any thoughts or comments?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 06:17 PM

Your best bet is asking Knives or T_C. I know they'll know.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 06:32 PM

::ponders if I should say anything about Wonderflex to summon Knives::

Well, your best bet (cost-wise) for sturdy construction is actually PVC plastic. (so there, Knives! :P )

There is a vinyl-over foam technique that produced this result, though...
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 06:42 PM

View Postthis_chick25, on Sep 11 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

::ponders if I should say anything about Wonderflex to summon Knives::

Well, your best bet (cost-wise) for sturdy construction is actually PVC plastic. (so there, Knives! :P )

There is a vinyl-over foam technique that produced this result, though...


i seen that, and i really didnt like how it turned out. If cost wasnt an issue id like to know, id like to start now incase it costs me 600+ to make.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 06:53 PM

Well in that case, you'd have to meet up with a plastics dealer. Knives is better-versed with this material, so he can help you out better with the cost, but you should be able to find a dealer in the phone book.

Just ask for "rigid PVC foam board".

You will also need the adhesive, screws, and shaping tools (hot knife, paint-stripping/heat gun/rotary tool). Those should cost you around $100 if you shop around.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 07:54 PM

wow people are actually listening to me
T-C gave you most of the info about pvc sheeting
pcv is under plastics in the phone book
heat gun=$50 for the good one dont buy the the ones for $20
hot knife=$20 for the set at Menards or $12 for a smaller set without hot knife tip then buy two better tips for $5 at Hobby Lobby
rotary tool=$20
get the adhesive in the link
it is the best for pcv plastic
there are other good things to have but there small things like box a cuter or file

wonderfex is good for organic, softer things, and may be armor if you cover it with something
but that's expensive

pcv sheeting should be about $35-$40 4' by 8' new (cheaper than wonderflex after shiping)
but you may be able to get it for $20 4' by 8' scrap
oh and some places sell it at about $2 a bl
really cheap
ask about scrap
it isnt like you need huge pieces any way

pvc is easy ot use
just cut out the shape
for curved pieces
just evenly heat with heat gun and shape
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:03 PM

View PostMillions_Knives, on Sep 11 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

wow people are actually listening to me
T-C gave you most of the info about pvc sheeting
pcv is under plastics in the phone book
heat gun=$50 for the good one dont buy the the ones for $20
hot knife=$20 for the set at Menards or $12 for a smaller set without hot knife tip then buy two better tips for $5 at Hobby Lobby
rotary tool=$20
get the adhesive in the link
it is the best for pcv plastic
there are other good things to have but there small things like box a cuter or file

wonderfex is good for organic, softer things, and may be armor if you cover it with something
but that's expensive

pcv sheeting should be about $35-$40 4' by 8' new (cheaper than wonderflex after shiping)
but you may be able to get it for $20 4' by 8' scrap
oh and some places sell it at about $2 a bl
really cheap
ask about scrap
it isnt like you need huge pieces any way

pvc is easy ot use
just cut out the shape
for curved pieces
just evenly heat with heat gun and shape



i realllly appreicate this. now my question is, you have any links to ppl who have made armour this way?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:31 PM

Knives made this. Technically it is a mech cosplay, but since he was the "machine", it is armor.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:35 PM

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:15 PM

View PostMillions_Knives, on Sep 11 2008, 09:35 PM, said:

theres more links of my work in my signi
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yea i seen the esca was that all pvc? and is it hard/easy to paint the pvc?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:35 PM

all pvc and screws
you can buy pcv sheeting in any color
any color
~looks at pcv gauntlet the exact color needed for alphone three inches from computer~
and many thicknesses
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:44 PM

I'm making Fran's Armor from FF12..
And was wondering, would this PVC method be good to use for it? Her armor as a lot of detail in it, and there aren't many big pieces, and it mostly conforms to her body, so ~ What do you think?

Or, should I try and become pro with craft foam? ;P
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:51 PM

Her armor is almost like lace in some parts, and although it is possible to do the whole thing using different thicknesses of PVC, parts of it would probably be done better with PVC for the plated parts and craft foam with hotglue detailing because of all the curlicues in the armor.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:00 PM

well id say no
pcv does not flex
it wont be comfortable for fran
also the the armor is thin and the pvc is likely to crack somewhere

~take breath~
in this case i would heave to say wonderflex
but cover it with pleather or pcv fabric two way stretch
do all the layering and details in wonderflex then glue the fabric over it
warmed wonderflex bonds very well to fabric and foam
pvc does not have this ability

some of frans armor could be done in pvc
like the gauntels
but to make the cosplay look consistent
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:10 PM

::gasp!::

Knives condoned the use of Wonderflex?!?

::faints::

(Just kidding :P)
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:15 PM

hey i seen you were in lynwood not to far from me, and i work there some days, depending where i get sent, (work for comcast as a tech).

now what do you mean skrews? what kind?

2nd would you ever mind coming by to help me out/start once i buy everything, im going to go look at stuff this weekend, but wont have much money till next paycheck to start out. dinner could be in it lol :)
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:03 PM

Normally he would be willing to take you up on such an offer, but Knives is in Peoria at the moment attending Bradley. It'll be a while yet before he comes home.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:56 PM

Wonderflex? I was gonna use that for her ears, and that's about it.
And pleather you say? I could probably do that.
Is wonderflex easy to use? And what kind of places sell it?
I feel like a n00b 8)



Also, on another forum, someone suggested Craft Foam and Styrene? Does anyone know anything about that?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:59 PM

pvc takes very nicely to screws
i use the ones that screw in flat to the surface with a philips head
the size depends on what your doing
1/4 inch pvc is good for a strong structural base because you can put screws into it from any direction
the standard 1/8 inch is to thin to put screws into sideways
escaflowne had lots of springs and mechanisms so it had to be especially strong
with alphone you will likely not need very many screws

pm me if you want details on good plastics dealers near Chicago Heights



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wonderflex is a bit easier to use that pvc sheeting
it basically the same and uses the same tools but its softer so you can cut it with scissors
you can use hot water to soften it and shape it
but the heat gun is much quicker, less messy, and has more even heating

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 01:31 AM

Awesome, thank you SO MUCH for the help! <3 !!!
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Posted 12 September 2008 - 08:59 AM

i would love the info for the chicagoheights guy. i work not far from that town.
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