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Two Concurrent Soap Bubbles? Simple solution to a growing problem. (Read with an open mind)

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 10:28 PM

View PostCaerulea Windseeker, on May 23 2008, 10:54 PM, said:

I believe it's not so much a matter of how many people were in the room as it is how fast would those people be able to exit the room. If a fire breaks out, there can be a panic, and then you have people getting hurt or killed not just because of the fire, but because of each other. I suspect that the fire marshal would not allow nearly as many people in there if there weren't the rather large number of doors to get out of the place. But that's just my suspicion.



View PostJuri, on May 24 2008, 02:51 AM, said:

This is exactly correct. :)

Wouldn't be a problem if IRT wasn't leaning against the doors holding them shut.
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Posted 24 May 2008 - 03:53 PM

View PostWeighted Companion Cube, on May 23 2008, 01:43 AM, said:

I'm bummed, but that makes a lot of sense, actually. I had no idea it was union labor. Yea, while yer at it, get Shigeru Miyamoto to french a man dressed as a Playstation. It would probably be cheaper. If that's going to be the case, then the largest space is still the main ballroom. There just has to be a way tho. Yes a lot of people were pleased, but man it pissed a lot of people off.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 03:58 PM

View Postozone_00, on May 23 2008, 11:28 PM, said:

Wouldn't be a problem if IRT wasn't leaning against the doors holding them shut.


We wouldn't have to monitor those doors and keep them shut if dumb otaku didn't keep trying to sneak in every year to circumvent the fire code limit. Besides, in the event of a fire, you can bet those IRT are going to be the people propping open those doors and holding them while you guys rush out.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 02:43 AM

View Postjrbestler, on May 23 2008, 09:48 PM, said:

I would like to hear from the DH on what issues they believe splitting the dance into two would cause. I don't doubt there would be issues, but I too would like a more concrete explanation.


...quoted lest this one drop off the radar.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:16 AM

I am not a DH but I can see a few issues. Saturday with IRT the dance was fully irt staffed. But the hotel night shift IRT wound up understaffed because of it. Solution would be has more IRT of course but the problem was having a lot not show up to shift. Im sure irt is already working on how to fix this.

Cost. DJs cost money, equipment we rent costs a lot of money. At the moment it is probably not possible due to that alone since it would be renting twice the amount of stuff.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 08:56 AM

View PostBloo09, on May 25 2008, 08:16 AM, said:

Cost. DJs cost money, equipment we rent costs a lot of money. At the moment it is probably not possible due to that alone since it would be renting twice the amount of stuff.



I was talking about this thread last night with some staffers (see, we do listen ;) ) and this was one of the main reasons two concurrent dances would be a problem. The equipment used for the Soap Bubble comes from two places: rentals (used also for Main Programming) and from our (generous) DJs. It would be fairly cost-prohibitive to rent duplicate equipment for another dance. I am not aware of the exact costs, but I do know Main Programming's AV costs tens of thousands of dollars.

Now that I've said all that, it's not entirely out of the question if we continue to have two Main Programming rooms. However, we need to balance the popularity of the Soap Bubble with the need for counter-programming for all those who aren't interested in the dance.

It isn't a simple matter of "raise badge prices!" or "two Bubbles!" or "move it somewhere bigger!" Not that those aren't viable suggestions; it's a matter of balancing the resources of the whole convention in order to make sure everyone has a great time.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 12:29 PM

I think all the people who are complaining about this
need to cool it
the staff understands that reg sucked and we had to wait
they had to stand for hours just like us to reg everyone
and they dont get paid

the soap bubble
isnt easy to handle i mean it is mass chaos they can only do so much to control everything thats going on
they try their best to keep it fun for all of us non stop the whole weekend

but a 4 day con i am tottaly in support of and it would cost more but i think it would solve a lot of problems
but again money is the issue here and the fact that acen is growing INSANELY which is awsome btw!!!

we all want to have fun and enjoy this all think the lines are stupid and its over crouded and the soap bubble is the hugest event at acen i believe

but the staff is trying i mean look they tried to make a new system for it with the lines

so i mean acen staff what if u put up something so people can make donations to u guys
like putting u a patition for more space and this is how much its gonna cost im sure a lot of people would donate money to make this possible for all acen goers

well thats just my crazy imput on this board!

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 01:07 PM

View PostJuri, on May 25 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

I was talking about this thread last night with some staffers (see, we do listen ;) ) and this was one of the main reasons two concurrent dances would be a problem. The equipment used for the Soap Bubble comes from two places: rentals (used also for Main Programming) and from our (generous) DJs. It would be fairly cost-prohibitive to rent duplicate equipment for another dance. I am not aware of the exact costs, but I do know Main Programming's AV costs tens of thousands of dollars.

Now that I've said all that, it's not entirely out of the question if we continue to have two Main Programming rooms. However, we need to balance the popularity of the Soap Bubble with the need for counter-programming for all those who aren't interested in the dance.

It isn't a simple matter of "raise badge prices!" or "two Bubbles!" or "move it somewhere bigger!" Not that those aren't viable suggestions; it's a matter of balancing the resources of the whole convention in order to make sure everyone has a great time.


I know YOU listen. :) And you have my utmost gratitude for that. If it was you in charge of the event I'd already be picking out my glowsticks for SB '09. But it's hard to dispute that the single most important person in this process is the event-specific Department Head, who has not shown that he is concerned with anything beyond which DJ's play when, and refuses to admit that there is even room for improvement.

Juri, I can tell from your posts that you are doing your absolute best to make ACEN the best three-day anime event in the United States, and I truly believe we will do it. You've been realistic, accountable, open-minded, and compassionate. It's more than obvious you are doing everything in your power to make ACEN '09 the best damn con there is.

And this year more than ever before, I have seen this repeated all over these boards. My IRT complaint, which very nearly resulted in police involvement, has been handled with compassion and understanding, and I have no doubt that next year will be vastly streamlined. This is my fifth year of board-lurking and I have seen more readiness for positive change than ever before.

From most people.
Having said that, it seems greedy to ask for more, but my only request to the folks like you is that you hold those who make the final decisisions accountable.

What you've said about cost makes sense: I'm sure it's not as simple as "half the room size means half the cost." What you've said about balancing the needs of the convention is something I'd lost track of, but of greater importance, and honestly it fills me with warm fuzziness to get a realistic response like that.

So. You're in a much better position to catch opportunities for improvment, and I know you'll take them if you see them, so my parting words are thus: keep up the good work. :heart: :heart: Thanks! :)

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 08:57 AM

View PostDogao, on May 25 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

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Wow, I feel so loved! Thank you!

Some staff might express it a little...strangely... but for the most part we have the same goal of putting on a great show. And when staff gets out of hand on the boards, we take 'em out back and spank them. XD Seriously, we do talk to staffers getting out of hand on the boards, but we usually do it off the forums; no need to further any unprofessional activity by having a warned/suspended/banned member of staff. If that makes any sense.

As for accountability... it might not seem like we're doing a lot in this area at the moment, but right now it's ACen's cooling-off period. Some staff are probably still zonked out under chairs at the Hyatt. ;) Some of us are tying up loose ends. We have a postmortem staff meeting in two weeks, where we'll be doing a gripe/brainstorming session. Then we'll work out new staff for 2009.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 10:46 AM

I have a question for all of you with the dances in mind. I personally believe you couldn't create a second soap bubble to run alongside the first one...

We probably won't have a room just as big, so if I wanted to go to the dance, I'd want to go to the big one... I'd want to go to the one where the headlining DJs wanted to spin. I don't exactly want to go to the smaller dance.

Here's the next question... what if we developed a concept for a different event to run at the same time. Maybe a different dance, maybe something else entirely... Honestly, I feel that's the most probable solution for this dilemma.

Being someone who has worked at Otakon for a number of years as well, I will say that their dance has no where near the capacity of the soap bubble. They use two rooms (maybe 700 people capacity) and then use the hallway area outside of it... both of which total to less space than our main events. Would there be anything else we can do on Saturday night to let you guys enjoy the con?
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 11:26 AM

View PostDJFLuFFKiNS, on May 26 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

I have a question for all of you with the dances in mind. I personally believe you couldn't create a second soap bubble to run alongside the first one...

We probably won't have a room just as big, so if I wanted to go to the dance, I'd want to go to the big one... I'd want to go to the one where the headlining DJs wanted to spin. I don't exactly want to go to the smaller dance.

Here's the next question... what if we developed a concept for a different event to run at the same time. Maybe a different dance, maybe something else entirely... Honestly, I feel that's the most probable solution for this dilemma.

Being someone who has worked at Otakon for a number of years as well, I will say that their dance has no where near the capacity of the soap bubble. They use two rooms (maybe 700 people capacity) and then use the hallway area outside of it... both of which total to less space than our main events. Would there be anything else we can do on Saturday night to let you guys enjoy the con?


One word: Karaoke. ^_^

(And yes, I realize lack of equipment has been the reason for a lack of karaoke. But I miss the days of Acen karaoke. It was casual, laidback, a lot of fun, a great chance to meet fans, a great place to chill out, etc. Karaoke has been more of a Japanese cultural phenomenon in the US than anime, and for longer. A lot more people know what karaoke is compared to Japanese TV, movies, J-Rock, etc. Would it be possible to reuse the equipment from Acen Idol later in the evening for karaoke?

No matter what, I know I and many others would appreciate a renewed effort on Acen's part to bring back the glory days of Acen karaoke, including its Card Captor serenades, Ranma op themes, Menchi songs, and strict anti-"Cruel Angel's Thesis" policies.)

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 04:47 PM

View PostDJFLuFFKiNS, on May 26 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

I have a question for all of you with the dances in mind. I personally believe you couldn't create a second soap bubble to run alongside the first one...

We probably won't have a room just as big, so if I wanted to go to the dance, I'd want to go to the big one... I'd want to go to the one where the headlining DJs wanted to spin. I don't exactly want to go to the smaller dance.

Here's the next question... what if we developed a concept for a different event to run at the same time. Maybe a different dance, maybe something else entirely... Honestly, I feel that's the most probable solution for this dilemma.

Being someone who has worked at Otakon for a number of years as well, I will say that their dance has no where near the capacity of the soap bubble. They use two rooms (maybe 700 people capacity) and then use the hallway area outside of it... both of which total to less space than our main events. Would there be anything else we can do on Saturday night to let you guys enjoy the con?



Wouldn't that decrease the amount of people going to the SB? Which would suck.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 06:59 PM

Well I'm kind of assuming some of the issues with the SB are that it's at capacity and you can't get in... That's why I'm looking for new things :)
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:16 PM

View PostDogao, on May 25 2008, 03:43 AM, said:

...quoted lest this one drop off the radar.


While I am not with special events, hi, I was the main programming person in charge of the soap bubble this year at the con. Many of the issues with splitting the soap bubble have already been outlined; cost, space/location, staff, equipment, etc. I'm sorry about the lines this year as well to everyone. I wanted to play it safe with the heavy presence of the fire marshalls, and so I lowered our cap inside by around two hundred, which seems to have worked for keeping them happy with us. :)
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 10:26 AM

View PostXCMNate, on May 23 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

We do need to fix the Bathroom problem, even if you just rope off a path to the bathrooms and have some IRT watch so people don't go under the rope.

That's exactly what I was thinking, back here, but I think my post was buried. xD;
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 10:53 AM

View PostDJFLuFFKiNS, on May 26 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

I have a question for all of you with the dances in mind. I personally believe you couldn't create a second soap bubble to run alongside the first one...

We probably won't have a room just as big, so if I wanted to go to the dance, I'd want to go to the big one... I'd want to go to the one where the headlining DJs wanted to spin. I don't exactly want to go to the smaller dance.

Here's the next question... what if we developed a concept for a different event to run at the same time. Maybe a different dance, maybe something else entirely... Honestly, I feel that's the most probable solution for this dilemma.

Being someone who has worked at Otakon for a number of years as well, I will say that their dance has no where near the capacity of the soap bubble. They use two rooms (maybe 700 people capacity) and then use the hallway area outside of it... both of which total to less space than our main events. Would there be anything else we can do on Saturday night to let you guys enjoy the con?


Maybe instead a large alternative event there could be a series of smaller ones? I missed having Hentai-a-gogo this year; It was smaller but it kept me out of trouble for two hours. I remember there being a failed attempt at an ice cream social; last year. I like the karaoke idea. Maybe a second showing of Midnight Madness? I skipped the showing on Friday because the line was too intimidating.

What about a LARP? No doubt small compared to something like the dance but intensely involved for participants. (I brought the idea up badly a few years back and it got shouted down)

Dogoa: Thanks for bumping my earlier comment. :)

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:27 AM

View PostDogao, on May 21 2008, 01:28 AM, said:

I am not posting in a year-old topic so my radical idea can be buried in ancient nonsense. I don't care if it's more convenient for you to read this all in one post. It wasn't very convenient for me to wait in line for an hour only to have to bail at the last second to rescue my boyfriend from IRT after he had to pee.

If the only person who refuses to even consider this idea is the Department Head for this event, who seems to think everything is peachy-keen the way it is...I have another reeeealllly good radical idea.

It's time for a new department head!


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Posted 01 August 2008 - 12:54 AM

View PostSarah Lynn, on Jul 31 2008, 01:27 PM, said:

I completely agree to this!


Sarah Lynn and Dogoa...

Do you mean a new Department Head for Main Programming or the People actually in charge of the Soap Bubble?

I was the one in charge of giving the space over to the Soap Bubble. What they did with it is all on them. But after several stage diagrams suddenly ended up missing, though they had been submitted, this year ended up being tougher than previous.

As it stands, I am stepping down as the Main Programming DH, turning it over to my ablest minion. He and I have discussed different changes to the venue of Main Programming to increase the capacity. We shall do what we can to aloow greater capacity, but we are also dealing with a finite number ultimately.

Now, as to a second Soap Bubble,it does in fact come down to space(both in terms of size and the location), funding, and IRT presence. Finding another room comperable in size to Main Programming near the Hyatt is mildly difficult without incurring extra fees. Plus, the location of said room would have to be considered because who would want to walk close to 1/2 mile just to go to another possible dance. On the funding side, it is both DJ equipment rental as well as extra lights, speakers, boards, wiring, people to run/manage/watch over said equipment. This past year, as in many years previous, IRT received many volunteers from other departments to help cover things. This in turn left several departments short handed Sunday morning till Noon because the extra volutneers didn't get the rest they needed. Yes, IRT staff could be increased, but it coems down to getting them trained and prepped for ACen.
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Posted 06 August 2008 - 05:53 PM

I just want to tag on--my whole team have been doing a good job expressing the challenges. I want to express something else:

We are actively plotting some alternatives to help lessen the insanity of the lines.
We are putting measures into place so that if lines get excessive, people can grab a 'bio break' or get some water, etc.

We want this fixed, every last one of us, and we're trying very hard to listen to al the ideas, put them together, and shake them together until we have a viable, workable plan, and about sixteen backup plans.

If we get down to the need for plan Q, I'll break out my karaoke machine and let people take turns serenading us while the line exists.

We can make it better. We owe you that. We won't forget it.


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Posted 08 August 2008 - 12:44 AM

I am looking forward to Soap Bubble '09, and what will probably be, at its genesis, the Most-Discussed Bathroom-Break Plan in HISTORY! *dramatic music*

Rosa: Ohmigod I love you. If not for your committment and capability, both of which you clearly have in spades, for your unexpectely-hilarious signature that made me snort coffee out my nose.

Jazhed508: My call for a new DH was a snarky, whiny response to Allen's perpetual "I'm doing the best I can its a great party as it is" response. Clearly, the message has gotten through...and in fact, it appears that my suggestion was MORE than taken seriously, since the first I've heard of the Saturday dances next year is that there will probably be two of them. In any case, I am no longer calling for anyone's head. Maybe better grammer skills would be nice, but I don't feel a great need to unseat anybody at the moment. Frankly, I'm sad to see you go.

And for all concerned: I'm doing what I can for the IRT shortage. My boyfriend, first-time congoer last year, will be joining at the first opportunity, so you'll have one more capable hand in the ring. Cheers!

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 04:55 AM

And as a side note, I know that the coordinators of this dance are looking seriously at alternatives, and they DO listen to you. How do I know?

Due to suggestions in 2007, we:

* Moved the masquerade up to an earlier timeslot so that the Soap Bubble could have a better potential of starting on time. (Which it did for the second time in ACen's history, mind you.)

* Annexed the additional ballroom space that is usually held for masquerade overflow to reduce the probability that the fire marshall would be scrutinizing the dance as closely this year.

* Provided our J-pop and happy hardcore lovers with their own dance Friday night and did some rather heavy promoting of it.

So, staff listens and the changes may be slow to implement due to logistical reasons, but rest assured that your concerns are heard. I am sure that as things get rolling, the current staff will keep you posted on progress.
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 12:56 AM

View PostDogao, on May 21 2008, 03:16 PM, said:

Oh yeah, I definitely get the sensation you're open to feedback by "no, that creates more problems than it solves though I'm not going to tell you what any of them are" and "ours MUST be better, based on the fact that nobody has required a hospital stay yet, and it MUST be because of the DH so we're not changing anything lol omg anime."

So if we're all-knowing and so open to new ideas, what went wrong at Anime Reactor that rules out the two-dance possibility?

And don't bother mentioning anything alcohol-related or age-restrictive: those are both suggestions no one has made.

It would Just. Be two. Dances.

Let me simplify things. If you make a cake for your friends, and 15% more of them want cake every year, you don't just make a bigger freaking cake each time.
You make TWO SMALLER CAKES. Especially if the Cake Line lasted two hours and left you in the rain.

And one final point: let's all learn an important lesson about Accountibility: You Have To Explain Things To The People Who Are Giving You Their Money. If this is a craptastic idea, I want to know WHY before you go randomly dismissing it.

So what's the problem?


Perhaps I can help sort things out for you. Before I start, allow me to preface this by letting you folks know who I am.

I'm Beryl Turner and along with Allen Castillo and former staff member, Dave Wadley, I helped start the Soap Bubble. Despite my larger role in 2008, I still had a small hand in last year's event. Furthermore, I'm a DJ and a party promoter outside of Anime Central.

Now, let's explain some items about having two dances. There are several reasons why this isn't exactly practical at this time.

First, let me expand on the space issue. A lot of people commented on Reactor's separate party. Furthermore, I know that there are nightclub venues that have two separate rooms with two separate DJs doing their thing.

"So, if it works there, why can't it work for ACen?"

There is one factor that you all may be overlooking. When nightclubs do that, the two rooms are in close proximity to each other. It is only a walk of less than five minutes for the patron to go from one location to the other. There is not enough space in the Hyatt for this to be practical, and the Sofitel and the DESCC are too far from the Hyatt to support this dynamic. This is a proven fact that has been seen by many nightclub promoters.

As for what went wrong at Anime Reactor, seeing as I was also a DJ at that event, I can shed some light on what caused the problem at their dance. To put it bluntly, your cake allegory doesn't translate to a dance/party because the amount of resources it takes to put on one high quality event will not necessarily be enough to put on two slightly smaller but just as dynamic events. Reactor did not have enough resources to properly put on two dances so neither dance was as good as if there had only been one like the previous year and subsequent years following. In addition, Reactor has historically had problems with poor attendance with their "Den of Sin" parties simply because many attendees who are between 18-20 years of age, also have friends who are 16 & 17. Friends do not like to be split up, so if the younger friends couldn't get into the party, the older friends would stay out.

Far as lines, we are researching ways to try to get more people into the room, but even so, because of fire code restrictions, we can only have so many people in the room at any given time. Forgive me for dating myself, but I remember the days when you waited for quite some time to get into your favorite nightclub. I'm not writing this to dismiss the concern, but only to let people know that this is a common problem with most parties. That is one of the reasons that the Soap Bubble runs so long...we want to make sure that there is enough "party" for everyone who wants to attend.

While a larger space would make things easier, the problems with using the DESCC include an issue with time (we would not be able to go as long as we would in the Hyatt), cost (we would have to pay the DESCC for late night/overnight security and staff), and control of the space (the Rosemont Police are very protective of what goes on in the DESCC, meaning that they could dictate what we did with the event). In addition, we would have to get a separate space than what we use for Registration/Art Show\AA/Exhibit Hall (the other issues with that were mentioned in an earlier thread).

As for using the Sofitel, their space did not work out as well as we had hoped. There were several problems with their management and the space did not work out as well as we had hoped.

Adding this to the other items that have been discussed in this thread, there is currently no practical way to split the Soap Bubble up into two dances. Depending upon the future of ACen, this may change, but as of 2009, it will not work.
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 08:18 AM

I normally dont post on this end of the boards - and I'll try and keep it that way - but I gotta throw my two cents in.

1) Two soap bubbles. Are you guys trying to kill us?! I mean - its not like the DJ's carry their own equipment to the show... most of the time theres some poor IRT guy (like myself) that gets talked into doing it. Or we do it because were nice. Either way... that stuffs not really "light". This means that there will be more people moving things around, which would tax the amount of people outside doing IRT and security detail. Aside from that we have the lines issue. Yes - the soap bubble line is stupidly long EVERY year. For the past few years I've been the predominant rule enforcer of the lines by ensuring that people keep the sidewalks clear and stay single file... the problem with this is that I am only one person and need help. This year I had to direct traffic during a massive event, dealer room closing, and rush hour traffic... there were roughly 4-5 IRT people sent over to the line just to keep it in check. Splitting up the soap bubbles - in theory - means two smaller lines. Thats assuming everybody doesnt want to go to both. Assuming the plan goes well, that does not mean that we will be any less taxed than if it were one major event.

I'm starting to ramble so I'll leave it at that. If I repeated something that had already been discussed - sorry! Reading 5 pages doesnt seem appealing at 9 in the morning.

2) The underground groove vs. Soap bubble. This almost baffles me. I personally am at the Underground Groove every year. It's smaller (oddly) but still just as good if not MORE energetic than the Soap Bubble. I stayed away from the Soap Bubble like the plague this year (with a few exceptions... Greg Ayres needed some eq hauled [more than happy to oblige] and I wanted to see DJ Heavygrinder [shes hot... and a metalhead like me]). One thing about the Soap Bubble is that you gotta understand crowd dynamics - something I have past experience with when talking about LARGE crowds (I've played the House of Blues). Larger crowds = easier to get excited, harder to maintain. So when you get to the SB - youre all pumped and whathaveyou... but about 30-40 minutes in you're sick of the heat, the smell of other people, the long lines for water, and even though you enjoy the music... theres just too many people there.



Footsoldier's solution?

Re-tool the system a bit.

Overall
+Divide the music tastes. Soap Bubble gets the more pop side (j-anything, techno, house, etc.) and the UG gets the more.. well... underground side (industrial, happy hardcore, trance, etc.) but still have some eye-catchers to increase attendance.
+Capitalize on the strengths of each individual event. The SB draws the masses - so make it something special worth remembering and go out with a bang instead of burning out into the obscure hours of the morning. Something to the effect of having the SB be big-name only DJ's.. and fewer of them.. so that we maximize the SB attendance and the waking hours of the attendees... and then having all other DJ's play the UG. Or something.
+Put more concideration into the DJ list. Picking DJ's is sorta like picking songs for a playlist. You need the right balance to maintain energy and flow. I've never had complaints about ANY of the DJ's in the past but I think we need to put a little more effort into chosing who we select to play and which show they play.

Underground Groove
+Start putting more emphasis on it
+Get a big name to be the closing act or the main-draw
+MOVE THE BUGGER. Seriously... we have the Soap Bubble in the main building - and throw the UG off way out of the way. Do we wonder why people barely go?

Soap Bubble
+Decrease the time! The SB doesnt end until what... 6am?! Why not take some of those hours and throw them into the UG.
+I dare say make the SB more of an "event" and keep the UG the "rave". The SB is FAR from a rave in terms of music, atmosphere and everything else. It's more like going to the club. Everyones happy and socializing.



So there you have it. Again, just some ideas to be bounced off a wall. I'm a pretty big audiophile and know way more about music than any one person should... so I figure I'd add to the convo. Feel free to tear the ideas into shreds.

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Posted 10 September 2008 - 08:11 PM

Thanks for the input Irish.

A couple of counter-points, though:

- Underground Groove and Soap Bubble are slated for the same amount of time on their given nights. Underground Groove usually runs a bit shorter simply because people attending UG still want to get up on Saturday morning for more convention. SB maintains a larger crowd on Saturday night simply because it's "unofficially" ACen's big blowout before everyone goes home on Sunday.

- Underground Groove cannot be held in the same space as the Soap Bubble on Friday night because of an event that is just as popular; Anime Hell/Midnight Madness.

- We had big names at both events; tastes in genre are everything.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 09:51 AM

I understand that theyre "slated" for the same times on different nights... but reality and past experience basically flies in the face of that concept as I have never seen the UG run anywhere NEAR as long as the Soap Bubble. Yes, the SB is the big saturday blow out and I understand that... but my points were made mostly to point out that we, in essence, already host two soap bubbles.

I'm well aware that Anime Hell/Midnight Madness is just as popular as the Soap Bubble... I'm usually outside walking around like an arrogant peacock doing my best to ensure that the people in the super long line are not only abiding by the sidewalk regulations we have to enforce (which they usually do without complaint) but also as a bit of entertainment. Those lines get long and having someone walk up and down the line cracking a few jokes while maintaining order is a far better way to get things done than standing there and being a jerk. You'll always catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

And yes - personal taste is everything in regards to the dances. I personally went to the UG last year and, as I already stated, stayed away from the SB like TEH PLAGUE.

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 11:11 PM

View Posttonyc_76, on May 20 2008, 01:52 AM, said:

It will have to be split into Hyatt and Sofitel. The physical space in Hyatt just doesn't exist to run two Soap Bubbles simultaneously. If you think otherwise, please suggest which room. Keep in mind that we need space not just for the dance floor, but for the lighting and sound system and also some space outside for the inevitable line and for people wanting to either smoke or just take a break away from the noise.


What about the place where people were having there Ball/Prom. That room seemed pretty BIG. Me and some friends wound up down there by accident looking for a panel. ^^;;

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