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#1 User is offline   curtaineater 

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Posted 11 February 2008 - 02:58 PM

my friend wants to know if we are able to sell snacks and drinks to people out of our rooms or walking around. he swears he'll have good deals or something. i dont know, he just begged me to post.
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Posted 11 February 2008 - 03:13 PM

They are REALLY strick about just walking around and selling things. Especially food and ESPECIALLY out of your room or walking around.

That's pretty much doomed to fail right there. There are alot of health code things as well as union problems that go along with that. Mainly the same reasons why they don't allow Ramen Carts or anything like that.

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Posted 11 February 2008 - 03:17 PM

The hotel and con will kick you out without a refund and ask you not to return. If you have the nerve to return the hotel will probably have you arrested.
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Posted 11 February 2008 - 03:20 PM

That's an easy way to get kicked out of the hotel so fast your friend's head will spin.

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Posted 11 February 2008 - 03:21 PM

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Posted 11 February 2008 - 03:35 PM

And if your friend is thinking about the convention center that is also a no- they don't even want our vendors to sell food, it's in the contract that they can't.

They know that if you have limited axcess to food you will pay more for it.

It's better just to bring your own to eat- not to sell.
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 06:28 PM

Does anyone remember how the no food thing got started in the first place?

I go to 8+ cons a year and have NEVER seen the amount of rules and restrictions on food as at the hyatt and convention center.

I have seen it written into the contract that the hotel has to have available during certain hours "quick serve" food type items like pizza, soda, hot dogs and the like .. at inflated prices of course .. but still not $7 for a turkey sandwidch like from the hotel gift shop.

Hyatt did this at A-kon when they were at the DFW hyatt location.

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 08:15 PM

View Postsatsuke, on Mar 19 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

Does anyone remember how the no food thing got started in the first place?
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I don't work for Hyatt, but I have been involved with several food service contracts with several groups.

This is an almost requisite part of a new food service contract proposal. For the Hyatt, this was likely forced by their restaurant agreements. The convention center is going to be a very similar story. These exclusivity clauses make the contract much more lucrative for the host as well as the vendor and are very hard to get around unless provided in the original contract.

Other concerns include local health codes. For example, Kansas City, Missouri, require by-law that all personnel who come in contact with food be licensed (read as pay extra money to the local government). This food handler qualification is separate from any required training for alcohol (they need one of those to just carry the drinks) or food preparation. These infractions on premise can carry heavy fines, even if there are no official affiliation to the property.

Those are two major factors which will vary with venue and location.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 09:18 AM

View PostWhtHAwk, on Mar 20 2008, 02:15 AM, said:

I don't work for Hyatt, but I have been involved with several food service contracts with several groups.

This is an almost requisite part of a new food service contract proposal. For the Hyatt, this was likely forced by their restaurant agreements. The convention center is going to be a very similar story. These exclusivity clauses make the contract much more lucrative for the host as well as the vendor and are very hard to get around unless provided in the original contract.

Other concerns include local health codes. For example, Kansas City, Missouri, require by-law that all personnel who come in contact with food be licensed (read as pay extra money to the local government). This food handler qualification is separate from any required training for alcohol (they need one of those to just carry the drinks) or food preparation. These infractions on premise can carry heavy fines, even if there are no official affiliation to the property.

Those are two major factors which will vary with venue and location.



I haven't seen a restriction like that on pre-packaged food like Pocky and Ramune at any of the cons I go to except acen. Now prepared food is another story .. and some jurisdictions are more anal than others on codes enforcement .. one example was at akon a few years back where the local codes enforcement people shut down the temporary arcade machines because they didn't have a Dallas tax certificate ($50 per game for a weekend is hardly fair to the game owner)

Your KCMO example is a point taken ,. they recently shut down several elementary-level magnet school lunch programs because they didn't have food preparation licenses (I live in KC).

Perhaps there is hope for the future .. if the con moves to a larger facility (since the 3 hotels on the skybridge are all sold out 2 months before the con ,. this would seem a good indication that it is outgrowing the facility).

As far as working with the Hyatt and convention center .. everything is negotiable .. I could see a situation where the con has as an additional cost option to allow food vendors .. if the vendors in question agree to pay a portion of the additional cost .. if there isn't the critical mass of vendors to pay for it than nobody gets it ,. in effect a quorum.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 10:20 PM

View Postsatsuke, on Mar 20 2008, 10:18 AM, said:

I haven't seen a restriction like that on pre-packaged food like Pocky and Ramune at any of the cons I go to except acen. Now prepared food is another story .. and some jurisdictions are more anal than others on codes enforcement .. one example was at akon a few years back where the local codes enforcement people shut down the temporary arcade machines because they didn't have a Dallas tax certificate ($50 per game for a weekend is hardly fair to the game owner)

Your KCMO example is a point taken ,. they recently shut down several elementary-level magnet school lunch programs because they didn't have food preparation licenses (I live in KC).

Perhaps there is hope for the future .. if the con moves to a larger facility (since the 3 hotels on the skybridge are all sold out 2 months before the con ,. this would seem a good indication that it is outgrowing the facility).

As far as working with the Hyatt and convention center .. everything is negotiable .. I could see a situation where the con has as an additional cost option to allow food vendors .. if the vendors in question agree to pay a portion of the additional cost .. if there isn't the critical mass of vendors to pay for it than nobody gets it ,. in effect a quorum.


As for pre-packaged stuff, our University had an exclusive vending agreement that "technically" prevented that sort of thing. We also were "technically" required to buy all of the food our on-campus events from our food service company.

I recently sat on a food service bid committee for my University. We spent months before sending out RFPs (Requests For Proposal) preparing new policies to allow us to have catering in buildings outside our Student Union. It still isn't easy because of insurance, tax, and labor requirements associated with being added to the allowed vendor list. The Student Union still stayed exclusive for most intents and purposes. Our Chinese student association wanted to put on a Chinese New Year's celebration and several of the local restaurants donated food. After negotiating by our contract admin, we needed signed and noterized statements that the food was donated and all service items had to be purchased from the vendor. Our new contract has provisions to make this easier in the future but it was something we had to fight to keep.

In the end, it all comes down to money. If a mutually beneficial (read as "profitable") agreement can be arranged, I'm sure it could happen. However, it is more likely that an allowance for this could be a something to look for should the convention site move. It is also important to keep firm, but polite pressure, on our existing partners to urge them toward opening up any restrictive deals when they come up for re-negotiation.
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